Senator Byrd "preaching" on the Senate floor right now

[AmBlue]

Love it.... "Hear me! All you evangelicals out there! Hear me!!"

[seemslikeadream]

1. How much land does a man need?

Byrd says

And this fear made him still more breathless. Pahóm went on running, his soaking shirt and trousers stuck to him, and his mouth was parched. His breast was working like a blacksmith's bellows, his heart was beating like a hammer, and his legs were giving way as if they did not belong to him. Pahóm was seized with terror lest he should die of the strain.

Though afraid of death, he could not stop. 'After having run all that way they will call me a fool if I stop now,' thought he. And he ran on and on, and drew near and heard the Bashkírs yelling and shouting to him, and their cries inflamed his heart still more. He gathered his last strength and ran on.

The sun was close to the rim, and cloaked in mist looked large, and red as blood. Now, yes now, it was about to set! The sun was quite low, but he was also quite near his aim. Pahóm could already see the people on the hillock waving their arms to hurry him up. He could see the fox-fur cap on the ground, and the money on it, and the Chief sitting on the ground holding his sides. And Pahóm remembered his dream.

'There is plenty of land,' thought he, 'but will God let me live on it? I have lost my life, I have lost my life! I shall never reach that spot!'

Pahóm looked at the sun, which had reached the earth: one side of it had already disappeared. With all his remaining strength he rushed on, bending his body forward so that his legs could hardly follow fast enough to keep him from falling. Just as he reached the hillock it suddenly grew dark. He looked up -- the sun had already set! He gave a cry: 'All my labour has been in vain,' thought he, and was about to stop, but he heard the Bashkírs still shouting, and remembered that though to him, from below, the sun seemed to have set, they on the hillock could still see it. He took a long breath and ran up the hillock. It was still light there. He reached the top and saw the cap. Before it sat the Chief laughing and holding his sides. Again Pahóm remembered his dream, and he uttered a cry: his legs gave way beneath him, he fell forward and reached the cap with his hands.

'Ah, that's a fine fellow!' exclaimed the Chief 'He has gained much land!'

Pahóm's servant came running up and tried to raise him, but he saw that blood was flogging from his mouth. Pahóm was dead!

The Bashkírs clicked their tongues to show their pity.

His servant picked up the spade and dug a grave long enough for Pahóm to he in, and buried him in it. Six feet from his head to his heels was all he needed.

[autorank]

2. Amen brother Robert!

[abluelady]

7. He is amazing!

I guess you need to be his age and have his stature to say what Frist needed to hear. Way to go Mr. Byrd.

[rndmprsn]

3. incredible stuff...reid just gave his time to byrd...

[jwirr]

18. Passing ones time to another is part of the filibuster.

[rndmprsn]

24. thanks...the two statements were seperate.

byrds words were incredible...and for the cube rats, an update on the action.

[hippiechick]

4. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1778729&mesg_id=1778729

[AmBlue]

8. Just saw that, sorry!!!

Don't know how to delete.... If you can tell me, I will. My bad...

[hecate77]

5. He made up a new word, 'Hamanize'

comparing Frist to some biblical character that built a gallows to hang all the Jews and ended up getting hanged himself. Brilliant use of the bible against a phoney like Frist.

[donco6]

14. I think it's from the Book of Esther.

Cool story, if you haven't read it. Classic turn of the table.

[bleedingheart]

32. It is from the Book of Esther

[Extend a Hand]

6. THis thread has phonenumbers

you can call and protest the nuclear option---
let's keep it kicked
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1778671

[trof]

9. HA HA HA HA HA Frist walks out. "Where is my adversary?"

Go, Senator!

[nickgutierrez]

11. You could hear some people in the chamber laughing...

...when he said that. Hell, I started laughing when he said that. :)

[LSparkle]

10. I need stereo C-Span -- one for Bolton hearing, one for Byrd!

Can't watch both at the same time at work, unfortunately. Hope they replay Byrd's speech later on ...

[BeHereNow]

12. He SMACKED the CRAP out of the Evangelicals!!!

Unless you are a Christian, you would not have caught it-
He referred to the King James Version of the Bible.
the Evangelicals use the NIV and it is considered
false doctrine by true Christians.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
He smacked them SO hard with that and his
personal testament of salvation and baptism.
Oh I am dancing in JOY!
BHN

[eleny]

13. thanks for that clarification!

[BeHereNow]

15. Oh trust me, it was the ULTIMATE insult to them.

He basically screamed PHARISEEs with that one!
That may be why Frist turned tale and ran.
The Bible promises that using scripture against
the spirit of the AC will defeat it.
I'd say Bryd accomplished that very well.
BWAHAHAHA!
BHN
On edit:
Christian News Headline:
"SENATOR BYRD KICKS SATAN'S ASS WITH SCRIPTURE"

[xxqqqzme]

16. non-biblical here

what's NIV?

[grumpy old fart]

17. Annotated Bible....not considered up to snuff by Fundies

[xxqqqzme]

19. annotated? I'm confused.

Who has the arrogance to publish an annotated bible?

god's words in gold? annotation's in black? How does that work?

[grumpy old fart]

22. arrogance? What? Arrogance to put crib notes in a book?

I'm confused...The New International Version is a completely new translation of the Bible made by over a hundred scholars working directly from the best available Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts.
There is commentary included, giving context, etc, to the words.

[BeHereNow]

25. Crib notes to Scripture is an oxymoron to Grace

Scripture promises understanding through
sanctification, made possible through justification.
The concept of needing crib notes when understanding
is promised through Grace is HYPOCRISY and the mark of a false
Christian.
BHN

[grumpy old fart]

26. Say what? The book needs to be taken in historical context...no?

And even then, well, ya know, it's just a book. A very popular collection of books, I'll grant you, but still....

[BeHereNow]

28. Until I experienced Grace-

It was just a book to me.
Through justification and santification
it has become the water of life to me.
I read it EVERY day.
I would go insane with all that is going on without
my bible.
BHN

[grumpy old fart]

34. Oh, I see...well, er, good luck with that......

Actually, I just got to the point where I realized, speaking for myself, of course, that these were words written by men with varying agendas. God, if there is one, can reach me directly if he really wants to communicate. "Inspiring" contradictory, muddled tales mired in historical quicksand just doesn't seem a very efficient way to reach someone. Leads to a lot of problems, as you may have noticed.

[BeHereNow]

38. Thanks.

Glad to know you are willing to live and let live.
I am to a point, but not to the point of letting
people like Frist claim they represent my faith.
BHN

[grumpy old fart]

40. But Frist does represent a type of Christianity....now whether you or I

think it's "true" Christianity is really beside the point. Anytime any belief steps over the line into another's space in a negative way, it's wrong, be it Fundie or "mainstream".

[jwirr]

20. King James Version (KJV) uses old English and

the New International Version (NIV) uses modern language. I also think that most neo-cons use the KJV rather than the NIV. They claim it is an incorrect interpretation.

[lavenderdiva]

21. technically:

New International Version (NIV)...
FYI, in reading the following, NASV refers to New American Standard Version (I prefer)
Example taken from link: http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/bacon-niv1.html

snip:
Examples of REALLY BAD TRANSLATIONS found in a single reading of the NIV. Here we will compare it with the earlier NASV just to demonstrate that the NIV is bad in comparison even with its modern siblings.

Romans 4:1, NIV: "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?"

NASV (text option): "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found?"

NASV (margin option): "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, has found according to the flesh?"

First of all, notice that the NIV ELIMINATES the term "flesh," which is one of the most important theological terms in the entire Bible. The "flesh theology" begins in Genesis 2-3, and continues throughout the Scriptures. It is extremely significant in the Pauline understanding, especially in the book of Romans. This is NOT "concept by concept" or "dynamic equivalence" -- it is an unwarranted reduction of the text by those who simply did not want to include the idea in the English. The NASV, with a far greater scholarship, included the term while acknowledging they were not certain about what the phrase "according to the flesh" modified.

[BeHereNow]

23. The Fundies Fucked up road map to hell

NIV stands for New International Version-
It is favored by Messianic Zionists and the White
House tribe of pharisees and evangelicals.
Let me put it this way- you will not find it in a
House of God or Christian book shelf.
BHN

[AmBlue]

35. I have seen NIV used by people who are NOT

Nutcase fundies (myself included) and it most certainly is on Christian book shelves. This is the first I'm hearing of "conflict" between KJV-users and NIV-users. As far as I know, it is a respectable translation that had the input and endorsement of Biblical scholars and translators from numerous denominations.

[AmBlue]

30. NIV=New International Version

and is a modern translation.

[BeHereNow]

41. Please read this link about the history of various versions:

Hardly a wonder that the Evangelical facists use the NIV
rather than the KJV, which has no copyright royalties...
As the PeacePilgrim said, never seek the truth from those
who seek to profit. BHN

"Moneychangers in the Temple

Royalties received from each edition, rather than preservation of the text, seems to be an additional underlying motive in the creation of new translations and revised editions. Copyright law requires that all new translations and editions have a certain percentage of changes within the text. The Authorized King James Version of 1611 A.D. had no copyright. However, all modern translations of the Bible hold copyrights and publishers receive sizable profits from each new edition. From 1898 to 1979, there were twenty-six editions of the Nestle/Aland Greek Text alone. (52) Correspondingly, publishers have produced an average of two new versions of the English Bible each year since 1900.


"They see in the translations of the Bible a chance for millions upon millions of dollars for their publishing houses. This is what sells. How do you account for many of the 135 complete English Bibles and 293 complete English New Testaments (a total of 428 altogether) that have flooded the English speaking world from 1380 through 1991?" (53)"
Link:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/another.htm
Ê

[wicket]

27. my church uses NIV and we are certainly not evangelical

Hmmm...I'll have to do some digging.

[BeHereNow]

29. I want to ask you to try something-

Just TRY using the KJV for a week and
tell me what happens.
BHN

[wicket]

31. ok- what should I be looking for?

n/t

[BeHereNow]

33. The Bliss of Santification

I promise you will experience it.
Better yet, God has promised it.
BHN

[grumpy old fart]

36. God has a guarantee on that? Kool. But only from that particlar version,

eh?

[BeHereNow]

37. God is omnipotent in my experience-

Meaning He can do anything.
I am only sharing what has worked for me.
I happen to believe the promises of God and
do not doubt that He can work in a myriad of ways.
Sorry if that offends you.
BHN

[grumpy old fart]

39. Not at all....just sounded like you were saying you couldn't get the same

"experience" through the KJV or NIV....everyone is entitled to believe or not in whatever, obviously. Peace be with you.

[BeHereNow]

42. READ this-

The history of "versions".
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/another.htm

[grumpy old fart]

43. Thanks, but you need to go further back than that, ...

as I'm sure you're aware, and realize who wrote these things, why this or that book was chosen to be placed in the cannon and others excluded. Look at the historical context of the early writers, and of Jesus himself. You seem to have explored among faiths a good deal, for which I commend you. However, it all still comes down to belief in something that cannot be proved. Arguments over how many angels can sit on the head of a pin seems just well, pointless.

[eleny]

44. Called Byrd's office to tell him thanks

The folks in Charleston are very sweet. Took my name and state. Go Byrd!