Planning a revolt against Republican fascists and Christian theocrats?

[Cyrano]

I've seen many postings here and elsewhere calling for a revolution. Okay, where do you intend to start?

Are you going to attack Bill O'Reilly's TV studio, or James Dobson's radio station? Were you planning on storming the White House, or the Republican side of the House of Representatives?

Wake up. This isn't north against south. People don't walk around wearing buttons that say "US"/"THEM." And even some of the morons who fly flags from their cars are Dems.

Yes, our democracy and our freedoms are being threatened more so than at any time in my life. And our worst enemies are domestic, not foreign.

I don't have the answer as to what we do about it, but revolution is not an option. And anyone even considering it needs to understand that it would only lead to an excuse for martial law, and more Guantanamos and Abu Ghraibs.

All we can hope to do is win back the congress and the presidency from the barbarians now in power. (But first, the Diebold and ES&S touch screens have got to go and we need paper trails.)

[ComerPerro]

1. Seems to me the logical first step

would be to call for investigations of Chruches and preachers that use the Church as a Tax-Exempt PAC.

I was under the impression that the IRS was asked to investigate that church in NC that expelled all its Dem members.

But I could be wrong.


That, however, seems like the place to start. But how do we go about executing such a plan?

[Amy6627]

9. Even though I totally agree that any church that participates in politics,

should have their tax exemption status revolved, I don't think that is a good place to start. I think those Christian Fundies would just become more steadfast in their claims that Christians are being persecuted. I think we need to point out each and every time we see something going wrong like, war in Iraq, Bankruptcy bill, energy bill, tort reform, drilling in Anwar, etc. we must point out to everyone we know, write letters to the editor, call into radio shows that the root of all these things is traced back to Corporations having more democracy than we do, when they can't even vote.

I am starting a local chapter in San Diego of Reclaim Democracy. http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/ It is a grassroots organization that is ran by the individual in their community tackling local issues that are tied to Corporateering/Corporate Person Hood. It's up to the local chapter to decide what issue they want to tackle. It is a 501(3)c corporation, so all membership is 100% tax deductible.

I am launching my group on May 21st. I am holding a screening of The Corporation at my local library and afterward, talk about a local issue in San Diego that everyone can get behind, which is the mayoral race.

Whatever issue you feel most passionately, I am sure that a corporation is behind it.

Here some more great websites:

http://www.wilpf.org/campaigns/ccp/CPOWER_headlines.htm

http://www.corporatewatch.org/

http://www.poclad.org/articles/zepernick02.html

[ComerPerro]

11. Seems like a good course of action, thanks for the info. But

I would just like to mention one thing about the persecution angle:

While its true that threatening the tax exempt status of politically active chruches and preachers would rally fundies into a persecution complex, I really don't think that matters or will have much impact.

The reason is because they have been and are currently rallying support by crying persecution. They think that the refusal to make Christianity our official religion is persecution, after all. So I don't think it would make things noticably worse.

It might make things easier for them as far as recruiting is concerned, but they will alienate just as many people as they reel in.

Thanks again for the links, though!

:hi:

[Amy6627]

12. I do think that having their tax status changed definitely need to happen.

I just wouldn't do it first.

After corporations are stripped of their right to participate in government, then go after any group, organization, church, anyone that participates in government except individuals.

We have to get back to We the People.

Here are two wonderful books:

Unequal Protection - by Thom Hartmann
Corporateering - by Jaime Court

[Fone Book]

2. I disagree

a revolution is possible anywhere in the globe
if they declare martial law, it will be easier for us to find them
we could start at a protest by fighting the military/police presence
we could overwhelm them
we could storm the white house
we could storm the major cities
as for guantanamos and abu ghraibs, "Freedom is not free."

[Fone Book]

3. can i be arrested for that?

[Toots]

10. "Freedom is not free."

Do you even know the meaning of your sound bite? Corporations have bought and paid for your Freedom, or do you feel free because we are killing Iraqi children? If you are not behind bars you are free and that applies in every country in the world. Can you behave in different manners in different countries? sure but unless you are behind bars you are still free. Only americans are so arrogant as to think they alone possess freedom.

[candy]

4. I lived through WWII and Mc Carthyism----lighten up!

This too shall pass.

[marions ghost]

7. oh-- and why is that?

the signs don't point to anything "passing"....

[blondeatlast]

14. Joke, right? Please tell me you're joking. Please. Really. nt

[Fone Book]

5. As far as I know, the elections were never rigged by fascists

"He who makes peaceful revolution impossible makes violent revolution inevitable."--JFK

[atreides1]

6. NO Revolution, but you offer no alternatives

Maybe it isn't the option, but it wasn't the first option for the Founding Fathers either, I believe that they also tried talking, they sent delgates to London. They had hope also, but in the end after trying and failing all peaceful means they resorted to military action.

I guees you don't seem to understand, it's all about maintaining power, as long as the Repukes hold onto that power they will not do anything to insure that the electoral process is fair. So unless a miracle occurs and the Repukes develop a conscience there will be no paper trails, and that's reality

You say that revolution isn't an option and then fail to offer an alternative, except for hope that we can win back Congress. The French people hoped that their King Louis would do the right thing,
and yet they still starved and watched as their children died from hunger. The Indians at Sand Creek hoped that a white flag and an American flag would tell the Colorado Volunteers that they were at
peace with the United States, but it didn't stop Colonel Chivington
and his men from murdering women and children, German Jews also had hope, they were positive that their own countrymen could not turn against them, afterall they were good patriotic Germans as well.

6 million Jews later, I guess you could say that their hopes were misplaced. You see hope is nice word, but if you have nothing but hope it could take decades before something comes of it.

As for martial law, how do you enforce martial law when the majority of your military is stationed all over the world, recruiting goals are not being met, and in some places in this country, the civilian population is better armed then most law enforcement. Bush would have to diarm the public first, and once he starts down that road,
he will have no support, and neither will the Repukes.

So at least for the time being martial law is a pipe dream, and cannot be enforced across the entire country.

Violence is always the last resort, and only to be turned to when all
other methods have failed.
But, even in the Declaration of Independence we as citizens have the right to change the government if it fails in its duty to serve we the governed. And it doesn't prescribe a method, just that we have the right.

[Cyrano]

8. My lack of alternatives has to do with logistics.

How do you tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys?"

Then again, someone could do a Pol Pot or Idi Amin. Then you wouldn't have to worry about who was who.

[Amy6627]

13. Fascism is when Government and Corporations merge. So I would

think that the most logical place to start is removing Corporations from government. See my post here #9.