I think Dean should now come out and say Bush LIED to get us into the war.

[Guaranteed]

We've got that memo, and it's not getting nearly enough media attention.

"Fixing the facts" around the invasion is just a slightly nicer way of saying that they were lying.

That was the one thing Dean could never really do during his campaign, even though he, like all of us, wanted to BADLY. Now's his shot.

[Avalux]

1. I agree

he needs to start making some noise - EVERY Dem leader needs to make noise.

We're talking agressive war over false pretenses; and if I remember correctly, a lot of Nazis were convicted and went to jail over the same sort of thing.

[MuseRider]

18. Read this.

One of them is anyway. I don't have anything from the others but this was posted today in GD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3623333

[Avalux]

19. Thanks.

Now who else will stand with Dennis? And who will organize a march on Washington?

[MuseRider]

20. I am betting

that they have all said it at one time or another but how would we ever know these days? I mean, how many will ever read what I just posted unless they are a supporter, read the earlier post on DU or follow Congress daily?

Still, it is good to hear and thanks for responding. I am a little gun shy after the last week, lol.

[Avalux]

21. I agree - no one is ALLOWED to hear -

the Brit memo has gotten ZERO attention and Dennis's statements won't either. It's going to take many, many voices that can't be shut up.

Why are you a little gunshy after the last week (if you don't mind me asking)? Did I miss something?

[MuseRider]

23. There have been

a few Dean/Kucinich wars going on. I am not innocent of fighting in them so I was hesitant to post in a thread that was asking Dean to do something. Nothing more, my skin is thick, I just did not want to start something because I am really sick of it. :hi:

[Avalux]

26. Oh that -

Some people on this board start threads for the sole purposes of division - I believe they are infiltrators, disruptors, Rove plants - whatever you want to call them.
They get off watching us argue amongst ourselves and it IS difficult to stay out of it.
I'm very fond of Clark and I'm guilty of being sucked into Clark bashing threads.
Keep that thick skin; I think we're going to need it!

[still_one]

2. I agree

[0007]

3. Someone needs to lead the cock-a-roach into the bright light...

Amazing how silence it became when the memos were released.

[libertypirate]

4. Amazing how simple it is to silence those memos...

[Al-CIAda]

5. WHAT!!!!??? You mean say the obvious truth???!!

You're nuts....but our leaders are nutless.

[Guaranteed]

7. We didn't have enough proof of an actual lie before.

All we had was the yellowcake and aluminum tubes stuff.

This basically seals the deal. I think he should go for it.

[kenny blankenship]

16. well, we also had the US government parading a forgery

in front of the world as evidence that Iraq was buying uranium from Africa. A forgery! This piece of paper came from somewhere to our government's files. Someone forged it, and someone else in our government vouched for its authenticity.

Soooo, where is the investigation of who made this forgery and funneled it to our "leaders", and who was the official responsible for them all being taken in by the forgery? What--no findings? No fingers pointed at the forger or his agency employer, or the country it came from? No one in the intelligence services or the Whitehouse staff denounced and made to take the blame for the forgery's successful duping of our top leaders?
A gross deception has been practiced on our top decision makers resulting mass deaths, and NO ONE is responsible?

The total vacuum of silence that surrounds this forgery says to me that of course everyone knew it was a fake all along, and maybe even who faked it. The Bush Administration's use of it is yet another provable consciously undertaken LIE to mislead this country to war. An investigation of such a fuckup would be normal and automatic, one would assume, so now you have the crime to be investigated (forgery) plus gross incompetence or malfeasance in the pushing the authenticity of the "document", AND a secondary crime of obstruction of justice that arises from the suppression of this investigation.

[LoZoccolo]

6. He should jump up and down like the guy from Rage Against The Machine too.

That would make a lot of us rock out.

[Guaranteed]

8. No jumping. Just calling them liars,

with solid evidence to support the charge.

[Al-CIAda]

10. How about calling it what it is, TREASON.

[Guaranteed]

11. It could be interpreted as treason, possibly...

One could say that they betrayed their country for the benefit of corporations, but I don't think it is, technically.

It's certainly some kind of high crime, though, and should be punishable with something very severe. What they did is worse than treason, actually.

[emulatorloo]

9. How about Teddy Kennedy - remember war "a fraud cooked up in Texas"?

from a September '03 interview -- and the RIGHT WING just could not Vilify him enough.

Sorry, the only sources I can find are Right Wing ones (faux, winger blogs), vilifying Kennedy. . .

[City of Mills]

12. If the democratic leadership does not take up this issue

I think it will be hard to conclude anything except that they are in bed with the Republican leadership.

I'm really put out by the supposed dem. party leaders, they have been rolling over for the Repubs too long for it to be coincidence. The democratic party is still Republican-lite, and if this keeps up I think you will find the democratic party being taken over by libertarians, because they resemble the old democratic party much more than the current mess.

[heidiho]

13. "But Clinton LIED" was always the big GOP mantra

Speak, Howart, Speak the truth and it shall set you free.

[Dr Ron]

15. But that lie was serious

Clinton lied about sex.

Bush only lied about going to war--not the sort of things Republicans are going to get all that worked up about.

(obvious sarcasm)

[oldtime dfl_er]

14. agreed!!!

the L word has got to be used!

www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[KoKo]

17. No...Kerry should come out and say it first. And he should do it with

Ted Kennedy. A joint announcement. What are they waiting for? They still think there's a Woodward & Bernstein out there? :shrug:

[eridani]

29. Kerry already said no permanent bases--

--while he was campaigning. He needs to be explicit and out front about it now.

[iconoclastNYC]

22. I think we'll hear much more from Dean as '06 approaches

I think Dean will be a secret weapon. IF he comes out too now he'll sound shrill by the time '06 comes around.

Right now i bet he's having all sorts of media training so he can eviserate Ken Mehlmen on Meet The Press.

[European Socialist]

24. Big name dems.....

need to provide some leadership and not count on Putin to call out the scoundrel.

[WI_DEM]

25. I thought Dean has said that Bush lied to get us involved

and Kerry also made that insinuation. A number of national democrats have.

[Guaranteed]

27. They haven't used the word.

They've said things like "he didn't tell us the truth," but they've never said that he lied.

[eridani]

28. Amen. And also name the real Bush agenda

Namely permanent military bases there. We can disagree about how and when to leave, because how to do the least damage is not at all clear. The bottom line is clear, though. The Bush goal of using Iraq as a permanent military outpost is wrong, period. And we wll reverse it somehow (details later).

[fujiyama]

30. I'm goin to say

"Yearrrgh" on this.

It's definetely waaaaaaay past time to just lay it out (though to his credit Dean did pretty much say that during the campaign).

Plain and simple.

Bush lied. The country is in a fuckin mess and will be stuck in this mess for God knows how long.

Time to remind people of the clusterfuck known as Iraq. I get the impression that people forgot everything once those "elections" took place.