Kicking The Democracts Out Of The Church Unless They Repent

[Jon8503]

A Baptist church in East Waynesville, North Carolina fires the first shot in the purging of all those who refuse to support the Rabid Righteous. Approximately 40 Democratic members of this church were told to either "resign or repent" if they didn't vote for Bush. Nine members were told to leave--40 others resigned in protest over Pastor Chan Chandler's highjacking of the pulpit for communicating the Gospel according the Karl. One of the parishoners who was purportedly excommunicated was Selma Morris, a 78-year old woman who was the church's treasurer and a member of the church for more than 40 years. The only bright spot is that this is getting the attention of the IRS.

"Valerie Thornton, a spokeswoman for the Internal Revenue Service, said she could not comment on the East Waynesville situation, but said 'in general if a church engages in partisan politics, it could put their tax-exempt status in jeopardy.'”

Despicable doesn't quite cut it. I am not prone to conspiracies, but given the passivity and ennui of the Dems, I now can understand how 6 million Jews might have thought they were immune to the Nazis and how they ended up marched to their deaths. This is happening here, in increments, as it did in Germany in the '30s. WAKE UP! Get active. Stop the bastards in '06. posted by Leftcoast 5:08 PM Comment (0)

http://bestoftheblogs.com/2005/05/pre-krystallnacht-america-baptist.html

[emanymton]

1. Like It!! Ka..chung

[havocmom]

2. Interestingly, Hitler was NOT kicked out of Church. It's true.

I read it on DU.

[pretzel4gore]

3. they were 'The Other Faith'

me too :) :) :)

[Fire Walk With Me]

4. "Repent"

Any word on this stuff from the Vatican? Not that what they say matters to W.

http://www.cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html

"John Paul II stated before the 2003 war that this war would be a defeat for humanity which could not be morally or legally justified."

[Freedom_from_Chains]

5. And this from the Asheville Citizens-Times

Pastor Robert Prince III of First Baptist Church of Waynesville said he was appalled to hear about the claims but noticed a lot of Southern Baptist ministers endorsing President Bush in November’s election.

Or another way it could be phrased:

Pastor Robert Prince III of First Baptist Church of Waynesville said he was appalled to hear about the claims but noticed a lot of Southern Baptist ministers routinely breaking federal tax code provisions by endorsing President Bush in November's election.

Pastor Prince went on to say that, sure it's breaking man's law but it is well known that Christians are bound to follow God's law instead of man's law and certainly seeing that George Bush was elected by any means is clearly doing God's work.

Come on people, the whole point of this faith based initiative stuff is to create a propaganda arm in Americas churches, the same device that Hitler used in Germany. There was a reason the founders incorporated the idea of separation of church and state in the Constitution.

Asheville Citizen-Times

[QC]

6. Here's what Prince actually said.

He disapproves of the practice of endorsing candidates from the pulpit, contrary to the opinion your post attributes to him.

Pastor Robert Prince III of First Baptist Church of Waynesville said he was appalled to hear about the claims but noticed a lot of Southern Baptist ministers endorsing President Bush in November’s election.

“One rule has been to speak to issues but not to endorse particular candidates,” he said. “It’s a disturbing development that Baptist pastors are crossing this line and are endorsing specific candidates.”

[Freedom_from_Chains]

7. Or then again maybe he understands that this hitting the national

media at this time is not in their best interest

You'll have to forgive me, but having been around christian fundamentalist, and raised in that environment, for 50 years I learned a long time ago not to take anything they say at face value.

Incidently, I did not misquote the good reverend, I simply did not post all of the quote, but did provide a link to the source story for those who might be interested.

[QC]

8. Or maybe he believes that this is really a disturbing development.

I was raised fundy too, by the way, but it did not give me the power to read strangers' minds from long distances. The guy could be lying, of course, but I suspect that what happened in North Carolina will be an eye-opener for a lot of Baptists.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. will be an eye-opener for a lot of Baptists.

Surely you jest.

[QC]

11. No, not jesting here. Just trying to have a serious discussion

with someone who seems more inclined to smirky, drive-by postings and creative editing.

Given your vast, awe-inspiring knowledge of this subject, surely you are aware that this kind of overt politicking in church is a fairly new development. When I was a kid in such a church, in the 70s, it was considered really bad form to talk politics--you might as well have been talking about sex. Baptists have traditionally believed in keeping church and state separate for fear that politics would corrupt the church. They were, after all, among the first in America to advocate separation of church and state--ever heard of Roger Williams?

All that changed with the rise of the Religious Right, roughly 25 years ago. So there is a new way of doing things coming into conflict with a much older heritage, one familiar to longtime Baptists. Perhaps that explains why 40 Bush supporters left that church in solidarity with the Democrats who were thrown out.

But far be it from me to try to make you see some potential good in this situation.

[The Icon Painter]

12. You are right

You are perfectly correct. The Baptists were the loudest in calling for total separation of church and state in order to keep religion unsullied. I have to wonder what their seminaries have been teaching lately to so change the minds of their so-called leaders. The Baptists of my early youth would have nothing but contempt for these suckers-up to political power. Where do you suppose this Chan character in NC got his training for the ministry? All respect I might have had for the Baptist denomination is rapidly swirling down the drain. They have betrayed their own traditions and made a mockery of their principles.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

13. Well seeing as that wasn't true in the church I was raised in

And I was raised in a babtist church, I don't think a "serious" discussion is possible.

I just don't have a lot of patience, in this day and age, for apologists.

[harpo]

9. maybe people will realize they are at the Wrong church

[Disturbed]

14. Speaking of Hitler.

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