Is anyone watching Jerome Corsi saying Iran planning to nuclear-bomb

[Nothing Without Hope]

the US, presumably New York? It is incredible - total lies, total intimidation, total propaganda to promote boming Iran. I've NEVER seen anything like this. It's on CSPAN-2 now, on BookTV, talking about his book "Atomic Iran."

Has a web site www.iranfree.org -a "The Iran Freedom Foundation"

This is important - it MUST be rebutted with the truth!

He's talking about "the Samsom option,that Israel would do a pre-emptive strike on iran because they "wouldn't tolerate finding out that Iran had nuclear weapons by "seeing a mushroom cloud."

16th of May - rally at Liberty Bell in Philadelphia to promote liberation of Iran, will walk to DC. Calling for massive civil disobedience in Iran. Says they bought US politicians - one assumes they mean Democrats, but he's not saying yet.

There is much much more - this is INCREDIBLE, scary, a MAJOR PROPAGANDA PUSH by the administration.

[barbaraann]

1. Check out the "Spotlight Reviews" of his book on amazon

if you want to be even more upset.

I think Brian Lamb had to allow him on to counter David Ray Griffin and I don't think we would have had Griffin without this, so I can swallow it. Hopefully c-span viewers can put the two men into perspective.

[Nothing Without Hope]

5. His language was incredibly inflammatory - talking about the destruction

of New York in detail. He is trying to scare people into believing his lies. And he is getting administration support for this, I'm sure.

This MUST be rebutted loudly. He's talking about "an atomic 9/11."

[Jim Sagle]

59. If there IS an atomic 911 it'll be another inside job.

:mad:

[Nothing Without Hope]

43. DZIKA GIVES VIDEO LINKS TO CORSI BROADCAST

see post downthread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1769411

[barbaraann]

47. Gak! I just Googled Swiss America (CEO wrote the Forward)

http://www.swissamerica.com/

[Nothing Without Hope]

51. SwissAmerica is all about promoting GOLD = PROFITS FROM UNCERTAINTY

Terror and instability and market crashes would send gold VALUE UP. Pretty obvious that they would benefit greatly from the kind of global violence and uncertainty that Corsi is shouting about in such vivid, horrible detail to anyone who will hold still long enough to listen.

GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED

It always comes back to that with these guys.

From the SwissAmerica Home Page:

http://www.swissamerica.com
SwissAmerica.com is helping America rediscover gold in the 21st century for financial safety, privacy and profit. We report the top financial, precious metal, numismatic news and views you can use 24/7.

[barbaraann]

52. And they never have enough.

n/t

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

2. It's the return of our old friend Mr. Swift Boat. nt.

[Vincardog]

3. When he was talking about no connection to truth and having a loyalty

to higher reality and 'making their own truth' I thought he was talking about the Fascists in charge of the country.
This guy is beating the drum for aWoL he wants to get into Iran soon.

[paineinthearse]

4. On CSPAN I presume???? nt

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. CSPAN 2 - right after the Griffin tallk -this is a MUST SEE n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

7. He says the President says his patience is running out and he thinks JUNE

is the deadline.

This is it, folks. He says the "moolahs" are not legitimate and the country must be freed.

[Doctor_J]

28. Amazing! Just as Ritter and Hersch predicted

[lala_rawraw]

8. God damn these people...

Look, I can tell you (not speculating here) that I have talked to enough experts to know that while Iran is working toward nuclear energy, it in no way has the current capability to achieve anything like a weapon of this sort. This is BULLSHIT.

IRAN has no nuclear capability that would threaten the US. Israel would be insane to strike first given that right now the relationship with America is a cancer, not a support. And tensions are running high because the presumption that America is doing all of this for Israel. Even Sharone is not that stupid.

In fact, the very reason that the US is selling arms to Palestine would suggest that Israel is not going along.

However, if a bomb goes off in NYC, then we can once again point to the White House for questions.

[Nothing Without Hope]

13. It's bullshit but he is making it TERRIFYING, going into vivid detail

of how they will attack US cities and what it would do - "we would instantly become a 2nd-class power"

If - read WHEN - the corporate media pick this up, it's going to be BAD. This is fear factor BIG TIME and he is lying, lying, lying amazingly.

He said Senators Kerry, Clinton, Biden, Clinton were "appeasers" in the same section where he said the "appeasing" US polilticians were bought by the Iranian terrorists.

[lala_rawraw]

17. Then I demand an attorney step forward

to help file a class action law suit against the government for psychological assault. not that anyone would do this, but I have thought on this often. we have a case for abuse. how many heart attacks do you suppose people have had as a result of these fear tactics? or better still, how many people have developed serious illness because of the constant government induced stress levels?

i have mentioned this to some legal people and they scoff at the idea... but really, why does our government have the right to abuse us in this fashion?

if we only had Democrats in office other than Conyers or perhaps we could clone him. I am frankly fed up. the NeoCons are raping us and the Dems are filing court papers. One group is criminal and the other corporate. enough said... i am having one of those days where i must rant about everything.

[Nothing Without Hope]

21. He also said that four Dem senators were Iran "appeasers" when asked

about his claim in the speech that the "moolahs" had BOUGHT US POLITICIANS. That is an accusation of treason and bribery on an unspeakable scale. The four senators he named as "appeasers" were Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy.

Scariest part: he said he had heard that the President will only wait until JUNE before attacking iran. We've heard that date before - I think from Seymour Hersh?

edited to add: WE MUST GET A COPY OF THIS to the Dems in congress IMMEDIATELY!!!

[lala_rawraw]

32. email me the transcript... will get it to someone n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

33. I don't have a transcript, I don't have a recording. But check his site

and you will see the horrific videos they plan to run on TV. (see below) He also kept referring to his book, so what he says will be there as well: Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians

I only saw the show because I left my computer running CSPAN2 after Griffin's talk on 9/11. Unfortunately I have no way of recording as my computer doesn't have that software and I do not have cable service for my TV. I searched the CSPAN site and cannot find a link for a transcript or any indication that this will run again. I am hoping that someone taped it - but there was irrelevant programming between the Griffin talk and this horror, so I have to wonder how many people even noticed it.

There is the web site Corsi kept referring to:
http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org (also http://www.iranfree.org)

You can see the horrifying, fear-mongering TV video that will be run - it is intended to terrify people into invading Iran. Links to the TV ads are on this page:
http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/default.php?page_id=69

There is a 30 second version and an extended version of the TV ad. The title of the ad is "An Atomic 9/11"
and here is what is in the video play box before it starts:



At the top of the page with the TV ads:

An Atomic 9/11: When Evil Is Appeased

An Atomic 911: When Evil is Appeased was produced for the Iran Freedom Foundation by Tim Watkins, founder and CEO of Leo McWatkins Films and producer of In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed. Winner of two awards as best documentary of 2004, In the Face of Evil has been called, "simply the best and most moving political film documentary ever made." The film presents Ronald Reagan's forty-year campaign against Soviet communism as a blueprint for fighting evil in the world.

Mr. Watkins will join forces with the Iran Freedom Foundation to produce a provocative new feature documentary based on Dr. Jerome Corsi's Atomic Iran, which will further advance the themes and content of In the Face of Evil.

Surely this video should NOT be shown on national TV - it is designed to provoke fear and spark violence

Meanwhile, back at the Heritage Foundation, which gave great support to Corsi's views on Iran policy and was mentioned frequently during his talk, has a number of scary articles related to the subject. For example, here's an excerpt:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/bg1837.cfm

Forging a Common Transatlantic Approach to the Iranian Nuclear Problem

by John C. Hulsman, Ph.D., and James Phillips
Backgrounder #1837

March 23, 2005
(snip)

A United Front If Negotiations Fail

In the run-up to the Iraq War, Secretary of State Colin Powell reportedly believed that he had reached an understanding with France on a com mon Western position on the use of force to enforce U.N. Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq. However, after bending over backwards to push through yet another Security Council resolution, Washington subsequently discovered that Paris had no intention of supporting military action against Iraq.

There must be no such misunderstanding with respect to Iran’s nuclear program. Instead, there must be a clear understanding about what Iran must do (and must not do) as well as certainty that Iran’s failure to comply with the outstanding nuclear provisions listed above will trigger the fol lowing actions:

• The U.S. and the EU–3 will support the refer ral of the Iranian nuclear issue to the U.N. Security Council;
  
• The EU–3 will immediately adopt a policy of comprehensive sanctions against Iran and make maximal efforts to press the EU to follow suit; and
  
• The U.S. will reserve in writing its right to act in a manner appropriate to the situation.
  

(snip)

This doesn't have the specific date of JUNE that Corsi said was the time that Bush's "patience" would end, but it's clearly setting the stage for invasion. Corsi is not the first to point to June for the Iran invasion. Seymour Hersh said the same thing and elsewhere on this thread someone posted that Scott Ritter said it too.

[Nothing Without Hope]

53. Don't have a transcript, but dzika gave VIDEO LINKS to Corsi broadcast

See downthread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1769411

I haven't watched this yet to be sure it's the same as what I saw today on CSPAN, but dzika thinks it is, a rebroadcast of a talk Corsi gave at the Heritage Foundation. See dzika's comments in the video post.

Some of the most important, specific comments were in the Q & A. Haven't checked that yet in the broadcast dzika linked to.

[AntiCoup2K4]

45. Well, he's half right there.

Hillary and Biden ARE appeasers. He's just dead wrong about whom they are appeasing. And he knows damn well that is the case.

[AlmightyTallest]

49. Sheesh

Gee, Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy... Four of the most powerful well known Democratic Senators. What a suprise.

Kerry at least has read the Sy Hersh article (mentioned in the Condi hearings). But I guess it will depend on whether America will believe Bush when he cries wolf again.

It's very traditional of them really, Spring is traditionally the best time to start a war. :eyes:

[Nothing Without Hope]

54. What the Corsi talk makes clear is that the "justification" for attacking

Iran will be that they plan to nuke us at earliest opportunity - just like the "mushroom clouds" that were mentioned with Saddam. But they will hype it to the skies and try to terrorize the US people to go along with this.

If that doesn't work, I would not at all be surprised at a nuke attack staged in this country. Listening to Corsi, he really seemed to be predicting it and saying it would be in New York.

People need to LISTEN TO THE WHOLE THING even though it is very painful. This is IMPORTANT.

I don't know yet whether the important Q&A in the video linked to below in this thread are the same as in the CSPAN broadcast - some of the most important and specific points came out there.

[AlmightyTallest]

60. I wish I could laugh

it all off as far fetched conjecture but I'm afraid I agree with you. I've been waiting for the day we get another terrorist attack or a big threat of one and they just use it to declare martial law.

Sigh, why does it always have to be NY? I love NYC the thought of something happening to it and the people I love there is terrifying, though not enough to make me buy this Corsi bull. Corsi seems to be trying to scare people into buying his new book, let's see if the Bush admin starts pushing his ideas themselves.

[KansDem]

103. "Operation Northwoods" goes nuclear...

They're after two things:

1) Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy--Are any of these up for re-election in 2006? Yes! Clinton... So they will smear the strongest Democratic Senators in hopes of affecting their senate performance, and even make Hillary's re-election more difficult in 2006.

2) Nuke the US in a nuclear version of "Operation Northwoods." This will lead to martial law and, with a strong GOP presence in Congress following 2006 (see No. 1 above), the abolition of the two-term limit on US Presidents, resulting in another term for Bush/Diebold.

I hope these bastards choke on their own phlegm and rot in Hell...

[KansDem]

102. "...then we can once again point to the White House for questions."

With another "close door" question session, permitting Bush to hold someone's hand while "testifying" without having to take an oath. We've seen this before with the bogus 9/11 Commission. Give the President lying privileges and this is what happens...

[Nothing Without Hope]

9. "If they do get nuclear weapons, there WILL be a nuclear war in our time"

"and they will include ... American cities."

[Nothing Without Hope]

10. Identifies "appeasing" politicians supposedly bought by the "moolahs""

Senators Kerry, Clinton, Kennedy and Biden

Says Kerry wanted to ship nuclear fuel to Iran, and they would build bombs with it.

[Nothing Without Hope]

11. "We do not need a nuclear war with 200 million people would have to die

to rid the world of this menace." --Corsi

He says 70-90% of Iranian population are opposed to the "moolahs"

[dkofos]

12. What a crock of shit

What makes these idiots think a free Iran will discontinue there nuke program. I would truly like to see a free Iran and I believe I will some day. But free or not they will be a nuclear power. Better get used to it.

:grr: :grr:

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. THESE LIES MUST BE FOUGHT FOUGHT FOUGHT!!!!!

THIS IS THE BIG TIME

[cornermouse]

15. Sorry.

I didn't see this. This guy is a real psycho.

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. The "moolahs" are terrorists and run drugs, government is illegitimate

and brutal to its own people. "If the world allows these thugs to get nuclear weapons, look out!" He says they are different from North Korea, that they have used every weapon they have, are lying sociopaths, terrorists, will bomb other countries for sure. -- more approximate Corsi quotes.

More Approximate quotes:

"President won't have much time after a nuclear attack to decide what to do"

"The world should not underestimate the resolve of America... to retaliate."

"We are at the first stages of bringing this to the American people."

"If the terrorists who flew into the World Trade Center had nuclear weapons, I'm sure they would have used them"

Oil extortion is at the top of the list of the "moolahs:"

The day that the world learns that Iran has a nuclear weapon, the price of oil will spike, a hundred dollars a barrel

[tridim]

18. Well that was an insane propaganda lecture

Everything he was saying about the "moolahs" in Iran is true of our current government. Talking about how they're pathological liars and mafia-like, and how they spread fear to get people to listen to them. It was an amazing display of hypocrisy. The scariest part is this guy is convinced we can win a nuclear war with retaliatory strikes. He has an amazingly simple mind, yet he's currently formulating American policy.

[Nothing Without Hope]

20. Yes - he has described the hijacking of the US Government, which is

the REAL rogue power.

Very scary - he says Bush will only wait until JUNE before attacking Iran. I've heard this date before - I think from Seymour Hersh? Anybody remember?

[Nothing Without Hope]

19. Corsi definitely said that Bush's "patience" would end in JUNE

There is less effort to look diplomatic this time than before the Iraq invasion. They are "justifying" it by saying this is too scary to take any chances on waiting. Also claiming - like they did for Iraq - that 70-90% Iranians would "welcome freedom" from their own government, which he says was hijacked by "moolahs," who are lying sociopathic brutal terrorists.

Just like Saddam but worse, because they want to destroy New York with nuclear bombs, have "bought" US politicians to get their support- when asked who those were in the Q &A he said that the "appeasers" were Sens. Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy.

This is FRIGGING UNBELIEVABLE!!!! This has GOT TO BE REBUTTED and he needs to be SUED!!!!

[classof56]

23. GOOD GRIEF!

I hope Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy will step up to the place AT ONCE and demand this man retract his statements or back with up with incontrovertible evidence that they are true. I'm certain he cannot do that, and should be nailed for slander, libel and anything else they can hit him with. This is an atrocity--if Bush were any kind of decent human being he would counter Corsi's claims at once and sever all ties with him. Or perhaps this is what Bush&Co. have had in mind the whole time--plunge us into a nuclear war with all the death and destruction that goes along with it, then they will be fully in charge of the hell that follows.

I feel sick. God help us all!

Tired Old Cynic

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. WE MUST GET A COPY OF THIS TO THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS!!!

I couldn't see whether it would be replayed. Did anyone tape it? The Congress MUST see this. You know he would not have launched this high-profile PR drive without the administration's approval and support. He's a front man for their propaganda drive to "justify" invasion - probably nuclear bombing - of Iran.

[jonnyblitz]

24. I saw that it was presented by the Heritage Foundation so

I changed the channel. Usually I can watch wingnut crap just to see what horseshit they are spreading but I was in no mood today.

[Nothing Without Hope]

27. Yes, it is wingnut crap BUT I believe it is softening up public relations

for the coming push for war with Iran. He is Mr. Swift Boats - this is all done iwth the administration's approval and support. This is a trial balloon and it needs to be refuted vigorously. People are BELIEVING him, that we have to attack Iran to prevent them from nuking NYC, and we cannot be compacent about this.

[jonnyblitz]

31. ooooh i knew i recognized that name corsi from somewhere

swiftboats...that's it! you are correct about not being complacent, I have had a bad case of that since the election. I need to snap out of it.

[jimshoes]

25. Just as Hitler pushed the world

to the breaking point, so too will the moron in chief. Pretty soon we will be met with the full might of the rest of the world united against us for being the overbearing greedy pig nation that the USA has become. While there are those of us that are doing what we can to change things here at home, I do not know how tolerant the rest of the world is going to be as bushco starts war after war.

[Disturbed]

29. Scott Ritter and Sy Hersch both said...

attack on Iran in June.

Will Russia and China just sit back?

An atttack on Iran would be INSANITY!

I believe it's "sound and fury, signifying nothing".

[Nothing Without Hope]

30. Yes, that was the scariest part - he was quite specific about JUNE

being when Bush would "lose patience" with Iran and attack. I think this DOES signify something - it's a trial balloon for the administration to "justify" attack on Iran based on the premise that they will level NYC with a nuclear warhead unless we take them out first.

And again we have this bit about the insane leaders who are a danger to the world (in reality, that's US) and how 70-90% of Iranians would embrace "freedom" from said insane, illegitimate leaders.

[Nothing Without Hope]

26. Corsi's book "Atomic Iran"- the full title says Iraq bribed US politicians

and in the Q &A when asked who they were he said Sens. Kerry, Biden, Clinton and Kennedy were the "appeasers." He should be sued big-time for what he is doing, seeking to terrify people, start a war (though he keeps saying he wants peace, this is obviously a lie from everything else he says), and accuse four senators of treason.

http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=5649&schedID=362
On Saturday, May 7 at 4:00 pm
Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians
Jerome Corsi

Description: The Heritage Foundation in Washington, DC hosted Jerome Corsi discussing his new book, "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." In it, Mr. Corsi writes that Iran is continuing to develop a nuclear weapons program and claims that Iran has successfully deceived the International Atomic Energy Agency and other international actors. He says that there are international lobbyists in the U.S. who make financial contributions to certain politicians who in turn work to normalize the relationship between America and Iran. Includes Q&A.

Author Bio: Jerome Corsi has written numerous books including "Unfit For Command: Swiftboat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," which he co-authored with John O'Neill, and "Judicial Politics: An Introduction."

Publisher: WND Books 431 Harding Industrial Drive Nashville, TN 37211

Link to book at Amazon.com - more info and reviews there:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1581824580/qid=1115501628/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/103-7816307-8571037

Here is a striking Amazon review from a professor who knows the subject:

A scurrilous and dangerous piece of yellow journalism, April 30, 2005
Reviewer: William O. Beeman "Director, Middle East Studies, Brown University" (Providence, RI USA)

This is one of the most scurrilous and irresponsible pieces of yellow journalism ever written. Virtually nothing in the book is accurate or true, and all of the breathless revelations about the evil plots of Iran's "mad mullahs" are from secret, unverifiable or unattributed sources. His favorite phrase is "U.S. security experts" with no identification. It is all smoke and mirrors. Corsi has never been to Iran, speaks no Persian and has no expertise in Middle East Affairs. Despite his 1972 Harvard Ph.D., which he touts like a Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, his research skills are questionable at best. He quotes commentators from Fox News, neocon flacks like Michael Ledeen, and known criminals like Manucher Ghorbanifar of Iran-Contra fame as authoritative "experts", and commits the ultimate insult to the reader by concocting semi-pornographic fantasy disaster scenarios about Iran dropping bombs on New York. Given that there is absolutely no proof that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, much less any nuclear weapons, this kind of screed can only be seen as the work of a provocateur. What is doubly insulting to readers is that Corsi uses attacks on Iran to target the Democratic party, and to continue the bashing of John Kerry he started in Unfit for Command. George Soros, Madeline Albright, Bill and Hillary Clinton, among others, get tarred with the same brush. Some claims verge on the ridiculous. One of the most amusing passages in the book compares Iran's leaders to Hitler because they all supposedly liked to dress well in public. Corsi is right about one thing, and that is that Iran's youthful reform-minded population will eventually transform that nation. However, the book is clearly designed to soften up the U.S. public for some kind of violent attack on Iran-which action will turn the currently pro-American Iranians against the United States faster than one can say "boom." If the United States engages in yet another Middle Eastern Disaster in Iran, it will be partly on Corsi's head.

Currently, only 6 or 16 readers thought this review was "helpful." (That inludes my vote.) All too many people are believing this book.

[Nothing Without Hope]

34. See also this LBN thread on Corsi's Iran-related activities:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1453414
Thread title: "Freedom message penetrates Iran (Jerome Corsi)"

[Nothing Without Hope]

35. Corsi said that Iran was much more dangerous than N Korea in terms

of attacking us with nuclear bombs. He said there are sleeper cells in this country already and they were able to prepare to set up the bomb thanks to the "bought" US politicians - presumably the 4 Democratic senators Kerry, Clinton, Biden and Kennedy that he identified as the "appeasers."

He seemed very sure that NYC would be nuked. He really enjoyed going into vivid, horrifying detail about it. And he did everything he could to say that Iran would do it as soon as it had a nuclear weapon and that that would be soon.

This is very, very serious. Remember the impact he had with his Swift Boat book and those TV ads. There are horrible TV ads planned for this too (see upthread). Title: "Atomic 9/11"

Why are so few people here concerned about this? June is not far away and many people would believe those TV ads if they are allowed to air. (They should NOT be allowed - they are intended to terrify people and promote global violence.)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

82. but, but... the FBI said..

they found no evidence of sleeper cells here..:wtf:

[mongo]

36. Recommended for greatest page

man, this is some more scary stuff. I hope the public isn't conned again.

[Nothing Without Hope]

37. Thank you. We have GOT to combat the propaganda. This is MAJOR.

The Bush admin intends to invade Iran, probably in June.

From what Corsi said,I wouldn't be surprised at a nuke version of 9/11 staged by the administration if they don't get their way easily.

LIES LIES LIES - this is the way to World War III

[understandinglife]

38. Recommended. Thank you. Will spread this information to ...

.... all my colleagues.

Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[Fire Walk With Me]

39. Compare and contrast to Iraqi excuses:

Bush Calls Iraq Imminent Threat

January 29, 2003

WASHINGTON -- A somber and steely President Bush, speaking to a skeptical world Tuesday in his State of the Union address, provided a forceful and detailed denunciation of Iraq, promising new evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime poses an imminent danger to the world and demanding the United Nations convene in just one week to consider the threat.

But the president made clear his decision whether to attack Iraq would not hinge on U.N. approval.

"All free nations have a stake in preventing sudden and catastrophic attack. We are asking them to join us, and many are doing so," the president said. "Yet the course of this nation does not depend on the decision of others."

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/iraqimminent.html

[paineinthearse]

40. Related thread - "freedom perneates Iran"

See "Iran Liberty Walk" post in the LBN forum and the Pa-to-DC forums.

I fear the Swifties know that * will be launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike on the US in June.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1453414

[paineinthearse]

41. DU posts from February on Corsi's book

Wake up, people!

paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-21-05 10:38 AM
Original message
"Unfit for Command" co-author to move to Mass and run against Kerry

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=158&topic_id=2676

============================================================

paineinthearse (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-24-05 05:54 PM
Original message
Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Pols

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3172897

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. DZIKA PROVIDES VIDEO LINKS TO JEROME CORSI BROADCAST:

I PMed dzika, the DU Viscount of Video, and asked if he had recorded Corsi's talk that was broadcast at 4 PM on CSPAN2 today. Here is dzika's reply to my PM:

It looks to me like they just re-broadcast a lecture that was filmed at the Heritage Foundation on April 4th. I'm not quite certain how C-span can get away with this.

The good news is that the Heritage Foundation already has the video online. I'm pulling down a copy just in case it is removed later.

Here is the link:
http://www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev040405a.cfm

or just play the video (Real Media):
http://www.townhall.com/audio/content/Lehrman-040405a.ram

I don't see how you can watch without your head exploding!

I have only begun watching this video, not long enough yet to know if it is identical to what I saw on CSPAN this afternoon, but I didn't want to delay putting up the links for you to share. See what you think. Dzika's right -it will make your head explode - but wwe CANNOT BE COMPLACENT ON THIS. WE MUST DEMAND THAT THE ASSERTIONS MADE HERE BE REFUTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION AND WE MUST MAKE THE DEM CONGRESS MEMBERS FULLY AWARE OF THEM.

By the way, I don't think I gave the lovely bookcover of Corsi's new book when I posted about it earlier in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1768844. Here it is, and isn't it just an invitation to kill every AY-RAB-looking guy you see? Who cares if he's just a medical student, he LOOKS like he's mean! He's just got Mr. Evil written all over him, which is the idea, and if you don't get it, you can check out the mushroom clouds in his eyes. And remember, the title of those vicious TV ads (find them at the "TV ads" tab of the web site Corsi was pushing - http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org) is "Atomic 9/11" The message is definitely "Get them before they nuke us, which will be very soon."

[understandinglife]

44. This belongs on the DU Homepage, imho. (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[beyurslf]

46. As they start the propagranda war to lead us into the war with Iran,

do you think they will write new speeches or just change the Q to an N from the speeches in 2003?

[ananda]

48. no war

There's no way in the world the USA can take on Iran. We can't even control weak places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and our current troop force is far too small to take on a country as large and strong as Iran.

Besides, the money isn't there either. Our deficit and debt load is already way too large.

Last, there's no way that any other country will follow us, including the UK now that Blair is so much weaker.

Sue

[Nothing Without Hope]

50. Don't need much cannon fodder - er, troops if you have NUKES! (CARTOON)

[gumby]

55. Here's the scenario that's around.

Israel is going to bomb Iran with US assistance on the excuse of taking out their nuke facilities, and it seems to be next month.

After that, the world is up for grabs. Corsi seems to be saying that New York will be nuked, then The Cowboy will nuke Iran.

You don't need many troops or silly allies for this game of Kill The World. Rapture!

[Nothing Without Hope]

57. Exactly - I HOPE EVERYONE READS THIS!!!! THIS SUMMARIZES CORSI

and is why I am so frightened by this.

[tridim]

70. Damn.. That's a scary scenario

I still think Bush will order a small nuke detonated in the desert of Iraq and blame it on Iran.

M.A.D. is still in effect right?

[Nothing Without Hope]

56. From the SwissAmerica site; INTRO, FORWARD & REVIEWS of Corsi's book

As pointed by barbaraann early in this thread, the CEO of SwissAmerica - a company that would profit greatly from global instability because it deals with gold - wrote the forward to Corsi's book Atomic Iran. The picture above is from the SwissAmerica page with the Forward, Intro and some cherry-picked reviews of the book. Here's the page:

http://www.swissamerica.com/article.php?=SID&art=03-2005/200503021031f.txt

[Nothing Without Hope]

58. Corsi was broadly hinting that israel would attack Iran first

and of course it would be with US assistance. He said that Bush would "lose patience" with Iran in June - so this could all come down NEXT FRIGGING MONTH.

That would provoke great retaliation and violence all over the world and then the administration could get the money they want to nuke everybody to "protect" us. Corsi basically SAID that New York would be nuked. Someone has been talking to him and I think he revealed more than then would want. If NYC is nuked, we know who would really do it - the same ones responsible for 9/11 attacks, and it wasn't the Iraqis.

This is so important. We have got to DO SOMETHING!!!

[GetTheRightVote]

61. Seems like the neocons are at their old games again,

How many more of our children will they murder ?? This is all so very, very sick, how could the general public allow this all to happen in our country ??

:kick:

[gumby]

65. "Values Voters"

The people with real values have been intimidated by being barraged by the media telling them they have no values if they don't support the Death Cult.

[Nothing Without Hope]

67. Though he has neocon support, Corsi is just an author. The fact that he

SAYS all these things is important and demands refutation. Good questions at a press conference would be welcome, for example. What really scares me is that what he said squares so well with all the other pieces we've been seeing. And Hersh and Ritter have also spoken of an Iran attack scheduled for June. That he is accusing 4 prominent Democratic Senators of treasonous actions is just extra. The main thing is his eerie iinsistence on a nuke attack in this country with the emphasis on NYC, the broad hints that Israel might attack Iran first, and the prediction that Bush will "lose patience" with Iran soon, in June. Many of his predictions and statements were more precise than what might be expected for someone just making stuff up.

This cannot be ignored and demands action and refutation. But he is not the president, he is only a sleazy author who hit it big with his Swift Boats Lying book.

[agincourt]

62. Right to the letter,

a vote for bush is a vote for war with Iran. You get an attack on Iran nuke installation, you get a planted neo-con dirty bomb just like the planted anthrax, vola! you get the liberal internment centers like they've been wanting for years. Somebody needs to cut this pig's throat before he gets the last of the good american's imprisoned. And don't think for a moment that half the US population won't try to make us like jews in germany, it the dirty bomb kills 10,000, or so. We always underestimate the hate and evil of conservatives.

[Sydnie]

63. Let's not forget this timeline

from Blatant Truth site

<snip>
Summer, Fall, 2004—Mock Combat Draft Lottery held, and sample medical exam report orders issued to sample addresses, using mailing list software. Alternative Service is geared up for the first time in 31 years. Papers to place Conscientious Objectors with employers as Alternative Service Workers are actually drawn up. With the Alternative Service for the first time geared up in the culmination of a 5-year readiness plan, the SSS is brought up to 95% operational capability. Full Medical Draft capability is set for 2005, and all Draft Board vacancies are to be filled by Spring 2005, according to a column by Ted Rall. The SSS must report to the Director on March 31, 2005, that the entire system could be operational within 75 days. This means that all 1,980 local draft board offices would be open by June 15, 2005. Theoretically, the first Draft Lottery for Combat for 20-year-olds and older Skills and Medical registrants could then take place. http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

<snip>

more here -- http://blatanttruth.org/draft.php

That seems to hold true to the June date for sure!

[vanboggie]

111. Goes along w/Real ID Push

Get the young'uns ID'd before the draft.

[specimenfred1984]

64. Horrible Yet Probably True

I think the U.S. will simultaneously attack Syria too as they get blamed for whatever "attack" the U.S. suffers.

And of course it's propaganda, what else has ever come out of a repuke's mouth? That doesn't mean it's not true in this case though. Neo-cons remain in power because of fear only. Stupidity is a close 2nd but propaganda is so advanced the mass hypnosis suffered by most Americans can't simply be blamed on stupidity.

Hillary's state seems like it'd be a hit with neo-con traitors.

[gumby]

66. Who has recently visited the WH?

And who is Bush visiting on his trip? Why? Is there any correlation to this topic?

Seems that Bush and his soul-mate Pootie-Poot are on the outs. hmmmmm?

[earth mom]

68. This is horrific....

I wish I hadn't read this thread so late at night...looks like I may have another sleepless night...which is happening all too frequently lately what with all the never ending crapola from these bastards. :scared:

p.s. Nominated and let's keep it kicked-it's that important!

[Nothing Without Hope]

69. Corsi's background: he's viciously anti-Islamic, anti-Catholic, anti-gay,

anti-women, and pretty much anti-everybody else outside his narrow range of approved neocon personages. He REALLY hates Islam and despises Catholicism. He really, really hates certain people too, like John Kerry, all three Clintons (yes, even Chelsea), Ted Kennedy. He has quite a history of hate-filled statements, some of which are cited at this site: http://atheism.about.com/b/a/104648.htm Taking these statements together - and there are far more than are listed here - Corsi does not appear to be truly sane.

Among these:

San Francisco Chronicle, Aug 10, 2004:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/08/10/politics1722EDT0695.DTL
Co-author of book apologizes for anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim comments

In chat room entry last year on freerepublic.com, Corsi writes: "Islam is a peaceful religion -- just as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered and the infidels are killed."

In another entry, he says: "So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the lawyers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it."

In a March posting, Corsi discussed Kerry's faith, writing: "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judaism? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"

Corsi apologized for statements like this, saying they were just a "joke." Suuuure they are. From Media Matters, which put together a truly stomach-turning collection of Corsi spews in August, 2004:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

MMFA investigates: Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?

CORSI: Let's see exactly why it isn't the case that Islam is a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion? Where's the proof to the contrary? (04/24/2004)

CORSI: Islam is like a virus -- it affects the mind -- maybe even better as an analogy -- it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects... No doctor would hesitate to eliminate cancer cells from the body. (11/26/02)

CORSI: John F*ing Commie Kerry and Commie Ted discuss their plan to hand America over to our nation's enemies. (02/04/2004)

CORSI: HELL-ary loves the Arabs so much (kiss, kiss Mrs. Arab*RAT) -- wonder how she would look in a Burkha? (05/21/2002)

CORSI: Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she? (06/08/2003)

CORSI: How's this as an analogy -- the Koran is simply the "software" for producing deviant cancer cell political behavior and violence in human beings. (02/15/2002)

CORSI: Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers -- typical Islamic boy-buggering -- older man, younger man -- black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media. (11/08/2002)

CORSI: Isn't the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA -- oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon's first act in office was to promote "gays in the military." RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together. (11/18/2001)

(and much, much more, if you can stomach it.)

This is a man who clearly has no judgment at all in world politics or religions or anything else. But he HAS been a most useful mouthpiece of the Bush administration before, with his Swift Boat Liars book, Unfit For Command and all the publicity stunts that went with it. Now he has published a book full of incendiary lies about Iran and is going to walk from the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia to Wash DC to "call for Iranian freedom" and push his book. There are TV ads planned - the theme is that Iran is going to nuke the US. There is a movie planned. The speech he gave that stimulated this thread was at the Heritage Foundation, the famous neocon think tank.

I think he has high-level connections and they approve of what he is doing. Does he also have inside information? Well, we have seen an amazing example of that before in JimmyJeff "Gannon," so who knows?

[cquik18]

71. Doesn't THIS sound familiar?

The 'Murkin sheeple will buy that like a Pamela Anderson-Tommy Lee sex tape...You'd think the lemmings in the back would see the first few million floating back to shore and say, "Y'know, maybe this AIN'T such a good idea!"

[AzDar]

72. (Break out the tinfoil...) I am becoming more convinced EVERY DAY

that Shrub has been installed by those who wish to bring on the "Rapture"...How else could one rationalize this wide swath of destruction he's cutting through the world???

[LuPeRcALiO]

73. great, we just blew $300 bil removing a "gathering threat" to Iran,

so let's plow another few billion under taking out Iran.

By that time, Iraq will have reconstituted its army and we can start all over again.

:crazy:

[acmejack]

74. The poop on Corsi from Media Matters

[PaDem]

75. Forgive my ignorance...........

but what authority does Jerome Corsi have? Is he a member of the Bush administration, the intelligence community or the DoD? Isn't he the discredited, bigoted swiftie who authored a book? Why is he on television? I'm lost.

[cyberpj]

76. Corsi is a Freeper - with some damning posts - see here:

------------------------
Unfit to Serve is the companion book to the Swiftboat Vets vile campaign to smear John Kerry.

Who are the authors?
One of the authors is John O'Neill, an early protégé of Nixon's dirty trickster Charles Colson and a long-time arch-rival of Sen. Kerry.

The co-author is Jerome R. Corsi, PhD. Corsi is a frequent participant in FreeRepublic.com's online forums, posting under the pseudonym "jrlc" since 2001. (Click here to read a full set of Corsi's posts; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=68645 click here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1100812/posts?q=1&&page=201#247 to read the post in which "jrlc" admits to being Jerome Corsi.)

On FreeRepublic.com, Corsi has, among other things said the following (as documented by Media Matters for Amercia):

that "ragheads" are "boy buggers"
referred to "John F*ing Kerry"
called Senator Hillary Clinton a "Fat Hog"
referred to her daughter as "Chubby Chelsie" Clinton
referred to Janet Reno as "Janet Rhino"
called Katie Couric "Little Katie Communist"
suggested Kerry was "practicing Judaism"
and expressed the wish that a small plane that had crashed into a building in Los Angeles had instead crashed into the set of NBC'S The West Wing, thereby killing actor Martin Sheen.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Eo9Blg8a0KkJ:www.rubyan.com/politics/archives/002154.html+Jerome+Corsi&hl=en&start=10

[yorkiemommie1]

78. and when the Dems protest

we are called 'full of hate'

[wryter2000]

77. OMG

How can you watch that? I'd rather watch * than listen to Corsi's lies. At least, what * says is mostly bullshit and devoid of meaning.

[Nothing Without Hope]

80. It was painful to watch, but essential - he is a neocon propaganda tool

and what he is saying now is too horrible and too huge and too close to what the Bush admin has been hinting at to ignore. He's a neocon propaganda machine, one that was very useful to the administration before in his Swift Boat Liars book on Kerry. I do not believe his success and high visibility were gained on his own. I believe he gets support from people associated with the administration and that what he does is done with their approval and connivance.

In this case, what he says is so horrifying and so huge, I thought we had damn well better pay attention and spread the word. I'm also unnerved by the way the idea that Iran will be invaded in JUNE keeps coming up - from Hersh and Ritter and now from Corsi. And by his emphasis on nuclear war and the very specific and repeated image of NYC being nuked.

I also think the hate ads that are planned for TV should NEVER be shown - they are intended to terrify people and induce them to kill Muslims and support invasion of Iran based on expectation that they will nuke us if they have even one nuclear warhead. Members of Congress need to be aware of what he is pushing with the eager support of the Heritage Foundation and who knows who else?

We have seen the familiar path to war, this time with Iran, in the comments and actions of the Bush administration. Preparations for the military draft are in place, but it would take time to train new cannon fodder and would be unpopular. So they have to do something different to get the thing going. They can use nukes and they can stage something in this country that will rally the people for war and terrify them into accepting whatever the administration wants - like martial law, for which a plan is also in place.

And the title of his big new book is "Atomic Iran" with a scary Arabic-looking veiled man on the cover with mushroom clouds in his eyes. The title of the planned TV ads is "An Atomic 9/11."

This is important.

[DoYouEverWonder]

79. The Free Republic Network

strikes again.

This is Corsi's main source of support and funding for this crap. The galling part is that FRN is a 501-C Corp and they have no accountability. In order to get rid of Corsi, you have to stop FRN. They are at the root of all the bullshit scandals from Monica to Kerry and now this.

The FRN advocates violence and destruction, they are like the Nazi SS and it's time to demand that they be prosecuted for their crimes.

[Nothing Without Hope]

81. kick n/t

[devilgrrl]

83. Yeah, he looks so trust worthy

[agincourt]

84. Confederate flag pin OVER US flag on lapel

We would have never guessed. And to think his excrement book, "Unfit for Command" had much more influence on this election then Thomas Frank's "Whats the matter with Kansas?".

[Nothing Without Hope]

85. VIDEO CLIP & INTERVIEW: James Carville gives his opinion of Jerome Corsi

and it is NOT pretty!

Page with Aug 2004 CNN Crossfire video clips and inteview is here:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408110007

Excerpt from the MMFA link above:

Carville: "In the world of putrid right-wing pond scum, Corsi is one of the biggest bottom-feeders of them all"

On August 10, CNN Crossfire co-host James Carville reported and denounced comments made by Jerome R. Corsi, PhD, co-author of the forthcoming Regnery book Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry -- comments first exposed by Media Matters for America on August 6. After first doubting Carville's source (Media Matters for America), co-host Robert Novak -- who recently defended Corsi and his Unfit co-author, John E. O'Neill -- failed to condemn Corsi's comments and swiftly changed the subject.

[paineinthearse]

86. This is historically significant

I certainly hope the DNC and John Kerry are watching the doings of O'Neill and Corsi.

[mtnsnake]

87. Wadda you know? Fox has a show on at 9pm called "Iran: The Nuclear Threat"

What a surprise.

[Nothing Without Hope]

92. I don't see it at the Fox site - this is important - do you have a link?

We need to assemble all this anti-Iran, warmongering propaganda. I'm going to repost the info in this thread tomorrow and I'd like all the evidence.

Thanks!

[mtnsnake]

93. Here's the link

http://tv.yahoo.com/tvpdb?d=tvp&id=169351418&cf=0&lineup=us_NY31580&channels=us_FNC&chspid=166032298&chname=FNC+56&progutn=1115600400&.intl=us

FNC = Fox News Channel

Iran: The Nuclear Threat
FNC 56 May 08 09:00pm Add to My Calendar
Special/Other, 60 Mins.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and others discuss Iran's growing nuclear program.


Original Airdate: April 24, 2005.

[Nothing Without Hope]

94. A whole hour on this, and Ariel Sharon is there too. This is very, very

serious. Thanks for the link.

[TexasLawyer]

88. RNC Census-- "Should we use air strikes...?"

My elderly mother in Iowa received the "official CENSUS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY" a few weeks ago, which she forwarded to me with a note about how unbelievably RW and slanted the questions were. (My mother is a die-hard, life-long Dem, so no clue as to why she received this). The scariest of the RNC census questions, in my opinion, was this one:

"Do you support the use of air strikes against any country that offers safe harbor or aid to individuals or organizations committed to further attacks on America?"

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[TexasLawyer]

89. This guy posts the RNC census in full on his site.

http://bannister.us/weblog/on/2005/02/24/census-of-the-republican-party/

[Binka]

99. Senator Bill Prist?

That's what the fucking thing says. :rofl:

[Nothing Without Hope]

91. It sure looks to me like Corsi is acting as advance man for their next

scam - getting us into war with Iran and maybe a significant part of the rest of the world. If it's true that this is supposed to start in June, we have little time. From what Corsi was saying, they may have Israel start the attacks and do something - a bomb in NYC? - to make sure they can do whatever the hell (and I do mean hell) they want. Nukes? Why sure.

We have got to get the word out - this must be stopped!!! The horrible TV ads Corsi talked about, described and linked to upthread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1769104
are all about fear- and hate-mongering to push people into war, maybe nuclear war. Corsi kept talking about nuclear war.

Be very afraid. You're right about that.

[paineinthearse]

90. Related post - Beaming Corsi's lies into Iraq

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1770115

[bonzotex]

95. Amazing

The swiftboat liars showed us we have to rebut this garbage loud, early and forever. The MSM will eat this up.
NT

[Nothing Without Hope]

96. Yes, it's already planned and HAPPENING: THE CORPORATE MEDIA BARRAGE

Fox is showing a 60 minute special:
"Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and others discuss Iran's growing nuclear program."

more info and link upthread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1771338

There are horrible fear- and hate-mongering TV ads already planned:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1769104
The title of these ads: "An Atomic 9/11"

And Corsi's web site on his "Iran Freedom" tripe has this statement about the planned 'Iran Liberty Walk'

http://www.iranfreedomfoundation.org/default.php?page_id=269
On May 16, Jerry Corsi, founder and primary spokesman for the Iran Freedom Foundation, will set off on a 209-mile journey aimed at strengthening ties between Americans and Iranians, and calling attention to the need for peaceful change in Iran.

During the following 2 to 3 weeks, Mr. Corsi will walk from the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to a replica placed in the heart of Washington, DC. Along the way, he will visit major cities and historical towns, speaking with Americans at churches, town halls, schools and other civic centers about the harsh realities of life in Iran. He will also provide information about the real America to Iranians, to counter the anti-American fiction trumped up by the Islamic Republic's propaganda machine.

Mr. Corsi will be interviewed by local and national broadcasting networks, such as Sinclair TV, and his journey will also be tracked and chronicled online. As he engages with the American media, Mr. Corsi will discuss the current social, political and economic situation in Iran and will urge Americans to reach out to this oppressed community.

At the same time, Mr. Corsi and the Iran Freedom Foundation will work to show the Iranian people that Americans support their struggle to bring about non-violent, democratic change. Mr. Corsi will be accompanied for the duration of the walk by a satellite truck. Each day, a two-hour radio program will be recorded and broadcast throughout Iran.

The Iran Freedom Foundation has already received letters from a number of individuals who are concerned with the plight of Iranians and want to join Mr. Corsi. We welcome all supporters of freedom to join in as much of the walk as they are able.

Mr. Corsi will arrive in Philadelphia a few days before the start of the Iran Liberty Walk to provide information about the event to local news organizations, and to meet with supporters and fellow walkers. The event will be covered live by local and national talk radio shows, including those of G. Gordon Liddy, Joseph Farah, and Craig R. Smith.

Several members of Congress have expressed interest in joining Mr. Corsi on the final leg of the Iran Liberty Walk as he comes into Washington, where they will be met by supporters at a rally in front of the Capitol.

After the event, Mr. Corsi will continue working with members of Congress, national security experts, public policy makers and political organizations to advance the cause of Iranian freedom.

(the full itinerary and a smarmy picture of Corsi are also on this page)

And all of us need to see the talk that Corsi gave at the Heritage Foundation, including the Q&A afterwards. It has already been broadcast twice on CSPAN-2 and is a MUST SEE (see links to video recording here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1769411 ). There are all sorts of things that you will catch if you listen closely. Unfortunately, I don't know of any available transcripts yet.

[Nothing Without Hope]

97. US offers grants to Iran government's opponents - hmmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3618496&mesg_id=3618496

They are so sure that most of the Iranians - Corsi said 70-90% - would welcome "liberation" by the Americans. Where have we hearnd that before?

[Nothing Without Hope]

98. Another parallel GD-P thread - "Fox is selling another war - Target Iran"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1771229#1771300

Talks about the Fox program mentioned above in this thread here;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1768708&mesg_id=1771338

[TexasLawyer]

100. kick n/t

[lala_rawraw]

101. Okay, well they are pushing Bolton... sooooooooo

This is yet another case of "fixing the facts" to meet the "policy" via the appt. of John Bolton. Makes perfect sense and their urgent need to rush this through. After all, they have June deadline to meet.

[Nothing Without Hope]

104. Yes. I think Israel will attack Iran and something will be done in this

country - a 9/11-like attack perhaps, perhaps something like a "discovered" dirty bomb plot by "iranians" if they fear discovery - to push this country into war. This one could well be nuclear. After all, there aren't all that many soldiers but there are all those lovely bombs, as in the cartoon I posted upthread. Congress unconstitutionally "gave" Bush the power to declare war whenever he wants to. And the neocon cartel has been itching for an excuse to declare martial law. All the plans are prepared already.

This is what I fear.

Tonight I will try to rewrite a long opening post of a new thread to put at least part of the contents of this thread together. This current thread built only gradually and people are not seeing what they need to see.

When I post it, I'll post a headsup and a link to the new thread - which will be in GD-P - here. Any advice or support would be very, very welcome. I feel unequal to this. It feels so important and so few people seem to be noticing.

And Lara, you and John and anyone else are more than welcome to take anything from this thread or anything else I do here for use in articles. I'd appreciate if you let me know if you do this or if there is something you would find especially useful.

[adigal]

105. Of course this is on!!! It's almost June!!

Both Ritter and Hersch said that we would be bombing Iran in June; personally, I think we will get Israel to do it for us, and then when Iran strikes back at Israel, we will have to get involved. Voila!!! Our chance to get Iran's oil too!!

[LittleClarkie]

106. But didn't you hear?

Corsi has nothing to do with the administration. He's doing this all by his little self :eyes:

That is one batshit crazy motherfucker.

Please let him run for Kerry's seat in Mass. Oh please...

[Nothing Without Hope]

107. kick n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

108. kick - I still haven't rewritten this into a repost n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

109. Guess who gave Iran nuclear power in the first place? Come on, GUESS!

From this thread;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1773720#
Thread title: "How Conveniently They Forget--WE helped Iran go "nukular""

The Washington Post reported that an initially hesitant President Ford was assured by his advisers that Iran was interested only in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Ford's Defense Secretary was Donald Rumsfeld, his Chief of Staff was Dick Cheney and his man in charge of nonproliferation efforts at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency was Paul Wolfowitz.

[Nothing Without Hope]

110. Preemptive strike on Iran by Israel "gaining traction" MUST READ!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1776657#
Thread title: OMG--- First strike on Iran "gaining traction"

This is a must-read. Corsi was wrong, it isn't "Project Samson," it's "PROJECT DANIEL." The "report" is by a "private" group and delivered to Ariel Sharon, who then visited Bush to discuss it. He was with Bush last month (around April 10-11 or so), so this may have happened then.

]Here is part of the excerpt posted in the thread:

"Decision-makers at the very highest levels of government in Jerusalem and Washington as well as NATO have been briefed on Project Daniel. Sharon last month carried our urgent message directly to President Bush," said Dr. Louis Rene Beres, Project Daniel chair and a professor of international law at Purdue University whose books and articles are routinely considered by military officials.

Project Daniel recommends that with Tehran now developing the infrastructure that could allow the country to go nuclear, the United States or Israel should strike pre-emptively against Iran's nuclear installations if the diplomatic track fails.

"The group suggests strongly and unequivocally that conventional Israeli pre-emption against selected enemy nuclear infrastructures now in development be executed as early as possible and – wherever possible – in collaboration with the United States. Where America may be unable or unwilling to act proactively against these infrastructures, it is essential that Israel be able and willing to act alone," says the report.

[Nothing Without Hope]

112. kick - this information is IMPORTANT n/t