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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:57 PM
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What is wrong with our pansy-ass congress!?!?!?!
I can't believe the national ID bill is even being considered, much less that it will pass!

Does no one in congress remember that this is how totalitarianism always starts?

Some quotes from a REAL congressman:

I rise in strong opposition to HR 418, the REAL ID Act. This bill purports to make us safer from terrorists ... and from other illegal immigrants. ...This bill will do very little to make us more secure. It will not address our real vulnerabilities. It will, however, make us much less free. In reality, this bill is a Trojan horse. It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: our constitutionally protected liberty.

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The REAL ID Act establishes a national ID card by mandating that states include certain minimum identification standards on driver’s licenses. It contains no limits on the government’s power to impose additional standards. Indeed, it gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit.

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Citizens (without the ID) will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist...

Republican Party talking points on this bill, which claim that this is not a national ID card, nevertheless endorse the idea that “the federal government should set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification such as driver’s licenses.” So they admit that they want a national ID but at the same time pretend that this is not a national ID.

This bill establishes a massive, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical and possibly other characteristics. What is even more disturbing is that ... this bill creates a massive database of sensitive information on American citizens that will be shared with Canada and Mexico!

This bill could have a chilling effect on the exercise of our constitutionally guaranteed rights. It re-defines "terrorism" in broad new terms that could well include members of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups, or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time. There are no prohibitions against including such information in the database as information about a person’s exercise of First Amendment rights or about a person’s appearance on a registry of firearms owners.

This legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand required information on driver’s licenses, potentially including such biometric information as retina scans, finger prints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology. Including such technology as RFID would mean that the federal government, as well as the governments of Canada and Mexico, would know where Americans are at all times of the day and night.

There are no limits on what happens to the database of sensitive information on Americans once it leaves the United States for Canada and Mexico – or perhaps other countries. Who is to stop a corrupt foreign government official from selling or giving this information to human traffickers or even terrorists? Will this uncertainty make us feel safer?

What will all of this mean for us? When this new program is implemented, every time we are required to show our driver’s license we will, in fact, be showing a national identification card. We will be handing over a card that includes our personal and likely biometric information, information which is connected to a national and international database.

H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally.

... Why are we punishing Americans by taking away their freedoms instead of making life more difficult for those who would enter our country illegally?

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It punishes law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state.

I urge my colleagues to vote “NO” on the REAL ID Act of 2005.

"Do you have your papers, citizen?" Something I would have expected to hear in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany, not in the USA.

This is a step toward a police state!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 03:59 PM
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1. Pelosi and most of the Democrats voted for it.
We don't have an opposition party. The Democrats are being led by a Bush support group.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:12 PM
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8. WTF is wrong with them?!?!
I recognize that the Republicons have created a climate of imminent terror attacks and alerts and all that crap, but didn't some smart guy once say, "the guy who gives up liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security" or somesuch?

I mean isn't this basic stuff? That an American doesn't have to up and show his papers to prove he is a good citizen?

Isn't the opposite of that principle totalitarianism?

Do we live by the consent of our government or do they govern with our consent?

This is such a huge abdication of personal liberty!
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holboz Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:29 PM
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20. Wasn't this provision shoved into war supplimental spending bill?
I was watching CSPAN earlier today whilst Pelosi was on talking about it. Granted, I was chasing my 1 year old daughter all over the house and trying to iron as I was watching it, but I thought I heard her mention that this national ID nonsense was included in the request for additional money for Afghanistan and Iraq.

I recall her saying that she would vote for this bill only because the soldiers need these funds to do their job but she was very much against the idea of placing the burdon of deciding who is and who is not a citzen onto our DMV workers.

I think there were other oppositional voices from the Democratic side and people were calling for a vote to recommend a report of some kind to be done. I'm really sorry to say I don't know the outcome of the vote and that my details on this matter are sketchy at best, but I couldn't give my full attention to the proceedings.

Did anyone else see this today on CSPAN and offer more details???
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 06:57 AM
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24. It's okay; in 2006 and 2008 they'll explain how they voted for it before..
It's okay; in 2006 and 2008 they'll explain to us how they voted
for it before they voted against it.

Tesha
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:03 PM
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2. Stupidity will kill us all...
Edited on Thu May-05-05 04:03 PM by kentuck
Too worried about thenext election and what might be held against them? Maybe we start holding it against the opposition and run some credible people against these raidcals... Like Bill Thomas from CA and the McCrery guy from LA... Surely we can find someone?????? Take the offensive and stop worrying so much about their own seats.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:04 PM
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3. It's Republicon.
Edited on Thu May-05-05 04:04 PM by ClassWarrior
That was easy.

NGU.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:03 AM
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:04 PM
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4. Whose words are these? Is there a link? n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:08 PM
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5. The words are those of a congressman from Texas, Ron Paul.
I found them on Lew Rockwell's website and downloaded them a while back. Ergo, I don't have a link, but I betcha some smartie out there knows how to do that. If you google a quote from the passages, you will probably find his stuff.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:12 PM
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7. Ron Paul was also against mandatory mental health testing
Edited on Thu May-05-05 04:12 PM by DesertedRose
for children in schools. And he's republican.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:13 PM
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10. So am I, actually.
Shouldn't mental health testing be a decision of the parents?

I mean, granted if a kid goes mental in class he ought to be evaluated, but for the ordinary kid (even the hyper ones) shouldn't that be a parent's decision?
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:57 PM
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16. Thanks. Found a link.
http://www.trustprofessionals.com/news/2005/2005-02-14.html

Scroll about halfway down the page to the heading "Privacy".
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:10 PM
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6. Shhhhh.
They're praying.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:12 PM
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9. Is everyone feeling more secure with their Freedoms now?....
...I'm surprised they're not calling them Liberty Cards.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:14 PM
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11. Don't give them any ideas.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:22 PM
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12. What's wrong is that they are pansies?
n/a
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:28 PM
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13. Ignorant, ill-informed, no sense of history pansies.
Yep. That's the problem.
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:22 AM
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23. Keep your anti-Gay words out of this...
Thanks for insulting a whole group of us while you try to insult some legislators...

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 08:58 AM
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25. No insult to gays intended.
I guess its my own ignorance that equates the word "pansies" with "coward" or "snivelling weakling" rather than its homosexual connotation.

Is Arnold calling democrats economic "girly-men" an insult to gays? I supposed at some level it is, but what he is talking about is lack of courage (albeit he's wrong, but still that is the intent).

My header should be "what is wrong with our cowardly snivelling weakling congress".
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SnowBack Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:48 AM
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29. Thanks
I think most people use comments like pansy and girly men without really thinking them through...

I'm really impressed with how you looked at things through our eyes... I like your "new improved title" better.... Makes the point, and makes me support ya TOTALLY....
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:50 PM
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14. Heaven$, how $hould I know
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 04:54 PM
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15. Heh.
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Spectral Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 05:35 PM
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17. Maybe Democrats don't want to get anthrax envelopes
or get shot at by a sniper.
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SGBL Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 07:06 PM
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18. National ID won't do anything
this is just a feel good measure.

The fed gov already has instant computer access to drivers licenses in all 50 states. Therefore nothing will actually change.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 08:44 PM
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19. you can kiss my pansy ass
Edited on Thu May-05-05 08:44 PM by ldf
why don't you go post on free republic, where all the homo haters are?

and before you try to deny it, you know damn well that you are using hatefilled, bigoted language.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:02 AM
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26. Oh gimme a break!
Does being a homosexual mean you have to embrace the notion of being a "pansy"?

Pansy has a connotation beyond its homosexual meaning, and it is you who are too biased by your own sense of injury to recognize it.

I suppose calling you over-sensitive is inviting flame, too.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 09:34 PM
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21. You know what REALLY REALLY REALLY frosts me..
.... about this bullshit?

The completely STUPID, MORONIC, IDIOTIC idea that ANYONE who wants a fake driver's license is going to FAKE 4 FUCKING DOCUMENTS and RISK GETTING CAUGHT when they can simply get a FAKE DRIVER'S LICENSE INSTEAD.

Yes, any fool can find a way to get a fake license, and THIS STUPID LAW, LIKE OUTLAWING GUNS or OUTLAWING POT, ISN'T GOING TO DO JACK SHIT.

I don't expect the drooling Republicans to get it but if the Dem's don't get it either, well they can all kiss my ass.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:43 PM
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22. They have sold out to the corporate fascist`s who run our country.
Just to answer the question. That is the main problem.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 09:17 AM
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28. They're WORTHLESS POS's!!!!
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