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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:33 AM
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I luv Thom Hartmann! Andy/US healthcare comments!!!! KICK IT!!!
Just got this in email from Thom Hartmann. He's right, this shouldn't be happening in America to Andy or anyone!!!

Save Andy - And Save America, Too!

by Thom Hartmann
Just as we occasionally see community fundraising efforts surface with donation collection cans in convenience stores for local folks experiencing medical emergencies, today the progressive community is working to save one of its own.

Andy Stephenson is an activist, a vigilant worker on behalf of clean voting in America. He has worked tirelessly to help uncover details of electronic voting fraud in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 elections. He's devoted years of his life to making America a more democratic nation.

And now his friends are passing the hat to help pay for surgery to save him from pancreatic cancer. The surgery will cost around $50,000, but the hospital wants $25,000 up-front before they'll begin. People can send contributions to Andy Stephenson, P O Box 25624, Seattle, WA 98165-1124, or can visit Paypal and contribute to email address Andy_Stephenson@comcast.net .

We are the only developed democracy in the world where such a spectacle could take place.

Dickens wrote about such horrors in Victorian England - Bob Cratchit's son, Tiny Tim, in need of medical care that was unavailable without a wealthy patron like Ebenezer Scrooge - but the UK has since awakened and become civilized.

Even the tyrants of Communist China provide health care to their people, a bitter irony for the unemployed American factory workers they've displaced, and the Wal-Mart workers who sell their goods.

Andy Stephenson's story is something that could only happen in an oligarchic banana republic - or in the USA.

We live in a nation that can afford for Bill Frist's family to make billions of dollars by taking formerly public hospitals and health-care facilities and privatizing them, adding to an explosion in the cost of health care, but claims it can't afford national health insurance.

We have the most expensive health-care system in the world, but are 27th in the world in the quality of our health.

We've produced health-care billionaires and millionaires in America, but have 45 million uninsured.

And even health insurance in America is not much damn good - about a quarter of all bankruptcies last year in this nation were among insured people who were wiped out by co-pays, deductibles, and "non-covered" hospital and health care expenses. (Of course, thanks to the efforts of the good Dr. Frist, along with 100 percent of Congress's Republicans, George Bush Junior, and a toxic handful of Democrats, such bankruptcies will be infinitely more difficult in the future.)

Ever since Democratic President Harry Truman proposed a national, single-payer health insurance system, Republicans and "conservative" Democrats have fought it. Nonetheless, LBJ did manage to slip a single-payer system through Congress, in the form of Medicare.

And Medicare terrifies the corporate cons, because it has the potential - with a single stroke of legislation - to overnight become a program that covers every American, a national single-payer heath insurance system.

This is one reason why Republicans inserted a poisoned drug benefit into it - mandating that Medicare cannot negotiate wholesale prices with drug companies but must always pay full retail. Thus Medicare's "crisis" - the next domestic terror attack by the cons - isn't forty years down the road, but will come in the next year or two.

Medicare is today tottering on the edge of running in the red, and the drug benefit will push it over that edge. Cons in the right-wing think tanks and in Congress are hoping the upcoming Medicare financial "crisis" will provide a good excuse to then privatize it and kill it off.

Yet Medicare is spectacularly successful. While private for-profit insurance companies (and HMOs, PPOs, etc.) keep anywhere from $15 to $35 of every $100 that passes through their fingers to pay for stockholder dividends, profits, multimillionaire CEO salaries, private jets, marketing, fancy headquarters, and an army of phone banks to deny claims, Medicare keeps only $2 to $3 of every $100.

There are some things that government does do better than private for-profit industry, and providing affordable health care is one of them (as you can see with a visit to Japan, Germany, or any other advanced nation whose system isn't under assault from corporate cons).

While George Bush Junior (who hates to be called "junior") whines about a Social Security system that won't face a crisis for another forty years, Andy Stephenson is facing a crisis today. As are tens of millions of other Americans.

We can help Andy to survive and return to his work by sending him a donation today. And we must help America awaken and become the sane and civilized nation we have always thought ourselves to be by expanding Medicare to cover all Americans.


Thom Hartmann's website is www.thomhartmann.com.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:36 AM
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1. What a great article! Thank you for the link.
:hi:

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:44 AM
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2. I love this man, I love him, I love him!! Nailed FRIST and his $$ grubbing
family on the head!!!! This is so true!!! I live in a remote county in America. The nearest hospital is 3 to 4 hours away. Our county commissioners sold our only county hospital in all that space to a FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE COMPANY that had very close corporate ties through it's CEO and other company lackies with COLUMBIA, the same fat cat for profit company Frist grew his greed roots in. And murder they wrote ....

I know there are people in my community, myself included, who've told their families not to let them be taken to this hospital and drive or fly 2-3 hours away for help if it is an emergency. I, for one, don't want to bankrupt my survivors for my own health incident.

Welcome to AMERIKKKA!!!!

These very same companies have put liens on the homes of the poor. There are several groups out there who are working to fight this. But, ultimately, it shouldn't be this way.

I was talking to a local Native American who was explaining the family line from a medicine person in their family. She said, "he didn't charge for his healing gift."

Who'd a thunk that a backwoods appalachian doctor charging the gift of food for an emergency c-section 50 years ago could charge today for the same procedure over $20,000!!!!

Welcome to AMERIKKA!!!!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:59 AM
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3. I'm in love. eom
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:21 PM
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4. Happy "Cover the Uninsured Week !" n/t
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:25 PM
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5. sent Hartmann's letter to my email list
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:09 PM
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12. I did too, about 75 people! Include media!
This is the honest to GOD truth what this man has written. I am sorry that Andy is partly the messenger here for his difficult situation but maybe, maybe, more $$$ will come and we, as a country, will get a freaking clue!!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 05:56 PM
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21. Ditto.
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:28 PM
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6. This is a great article. n/t
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brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:45 PM
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7. Thank you!
I just emailed this to someone who is working to promote www.healthcareforall.org and asked her to consider passing it on to her friends.


Everyone needs to wrack their brains and get the word out all over the 'internets'!

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:55 PM
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8. Yes, it's about Andy but also about all of US health care. See this thread
Edited on Sun May-01-05 12:56 PM by Nothing Without Hope
too for more on this and also because it is so very moving:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3576744
Thread title (posted by Andy): "Dear Skinner, Earl G, Elad and the rest of my {DU family}"

Only a neocon could fail to be moved.

Recommended.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:56 PM
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9. emailed thom hartmann and thanked him.
now, thanking you, NVMojo... :hi:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 12:58 PM
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10. I just PayPaled Andy 100 clams
I wish I could afford the whole 25K. How much more does he need?
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:22 PM
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14. That was so generous MP.
It would be good if we could know how much more he needs... :shrug:
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:27 PM
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15. Thanks, Paradise
Soon that 100$ will be worth 1$, so it's really worth spending on a worthy cause right now. I just wish we had an inkling of how close he was to the 25K. If 2500 of the 60,000 members would pitch in 10$, there would be no problem. Maybe DU should start it's own Medicare, SS, etc, to make up for the ones we'll be losing.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 07:01 AM
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34. you're welcome, and i like your way of thinking :) n/t
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Infomaniac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:47 PM
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16. As of 11:15 PST, the amount donated was $17,125
SFexPat is running a tally. You can check this post for tally updates:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3561640
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Infomaniac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 04:15 PM
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18. Woo-Hooo! $19 Grand last time I checked. NFT
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 05:46 PM
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20. It's so inspiring to know how wonderful people really are
Edited on Sun May-01-05 05:47 PM by ailsagirl
Thanks, NV, for posting this, thanks infomaniac for the $$ update, and thanks to Hartmann who hit the nail on the head.

:yourock:
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Infomaniac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:30 PM
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23. At 7:00 pm PST, the grand total is $20,994.50. nft
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 04:33 PM
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19. Please thank him for me since I do not have his email address.
Thank you, as well!



MissionNOTAcccomplished - May 2 2005 is just the beginning of our....www.missionnotaccomplished.us




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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:04 PM
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11. Another very thoughtful piece.
:toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 01:11 PM
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13. If anyone knows how, can someone please thank him?! n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 03:14 PM
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17. sfexpat2000, where did you find the Zaphod quote?
There was one in the movie that just came out about election campaigns that was so right on. I really want to find that!!! Thanks!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 07:01 PM
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22. Thank you Tom Hartmann, great article with so many truths
:kick:
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 09:36 PM
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24. Kick.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:43 PM
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25. great message!
Thom's message got to the heart of the health care matter so eloquently. It's a classic! He explains the issue so well. Hold on to it, use it as talking points for health care! We need to get the message out to as many people as possible.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:45 PM
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26. Great article
Edited on Sun May-01-05 11:46 PM by hiley
kick !
Save Andy - And Save America, Too!

by Thom Hartmann
Just as we occasionally see community fundraising efforts surface with donation collection cans in convenience stores for local folks experiencing medical emergencies, today the progressive community is working to save one of its own.

Andy Stephenson is an activist, a vigilant worker on behalf of clean voting in America. He has worked tirelessly to help uncover details of electronic voting fraud in the 2000, 2002, and 2004 elections. He's devoted years of his life to making America a more democratic nation.

And now his friends are passing the hat to help pay for surgery to save him from pancreatic cancer. The surgery will cost around $50,000, but the hospital wants $25,000 up-front before they'll begin. People can send contributions to Andy Stephenson, P O Box 25624, Seattle, WA 98165-1124, or can visit Paypal and contribute to email address Andy_Stephenson@comcast.net .

snip----
wish i could repost the entire thing...just simple outstanding !
thank you so for posting this thread !NVMojo you and Thom Hartmann
:yourock: BTW! 9:15pm PST: $22,158.00 Thank you, DUers! lastest update on amount.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-05 11:52 PM
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27. This is a very well-written, persuasive essay.
We need to push health-care reform. It's something Republicans care absolutely nothing about. We need to own isssues like health care.

I've been a fan of Thom Hartmann since reading "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," btw.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:04 AM
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28. thank you tom and kick kick kick!!
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:26 AM
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29. yes, kick this!!!
:kick: stay up there!!
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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:30 AM
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30. Passed the message to a few more people. Another kick n/t
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 12:56 AM
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31. Thanks everyone for the input! For Andy and for the Dems!
We do need to own this healthcare discussion!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 03:06 AM
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32. Great piece
Should be read by all Americans. Our country should be ashamed.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 06:06 AM
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33. KICK to the top!
Edited on Mon May-02-05 06:06 AM by Q
Corporations (including HMOs) are making record profits while many Americans go without even basic healthcare. It's time to say ENOUGH!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 08:41 AM
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35. what a coincidence
This morning I was on this same wave--ie. thinking of the connection between Andy's situation and the bigger health care crisis, and I come here and see that Thom Hartmann has written an excellent article hitting on so many of the points I was mentally coralling...
Thanks! for posting, NVMojo.

Hartmann really nails it with this one. This country is just plain BACKWARD not to address the hidden costs and ramifications of our current healthcare "system" (or lack of a coherent system). Investing in the health and well-being of the population is just common sense, and it is the job of the government.

At the cost of healthcare now, many Americans cannot afford to be sick, certainly not seriously sick. And even those who do have health insurance may suddenly be without it if a job or circumstances change, and as Hartmann points out, insurance coverage is often inadequate even for those who are paying, when a catastropic illness strikes. Should the nightmare of illness be accompanied by the nightmare of financial collapse and a herculean struggle to get treatment? Hartmann is right, in calling this situation "uncivilized."

Andy's one of the lucky ones to have us helping him. But how many people have a network of supporters who would do this? We need to pass the Hartmann article around and bring attention again to the sad state of healthcare access in America.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 08:55 AM
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36. Wow! What a great article!
I love the way that he holds Andy's face up to humanize what Americans usually fail to - the 45 million without health care.

I am a contractor and I have no health care. It is so expensive that I am going to take more work on the side to be able to afford it. I shouldn't have to do that. My contracting company should offer health care or I should be able to afford health care on my own.

Oh, well. At least gays can't marry. :sarcasm:
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-05 07:44 PM
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37. This is worth reading
for the evening crowd, who might have missed it this AM.
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