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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:12 PM
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DeLay's final straw! Caught smokin' a Commie Stogie!!!!
Oh the humanity!

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1054968,00.html?cnn=yes

Time / Wednesday, Apr. 27, 2005
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes, according to House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a cigar is an economic prop to a brutal totalitarian regime. Arguing against loosening sanctions against Cuba last year, DeLay warned that Fidel Castro "will take the money. Every dime that finds its way into Cuba first finds its way into Fidel Castro's blood-thirsty hands.... American consumers will get their fine cigars and their cheap sugar, but at the cost of our national honor."

DeLay has long been one of Congress' most vocal critics of what he calls Castro's "thugocracy," which is why some sharp-eyed TIME readers were surprised last week to see a photo of the Majority Leader smoking one of Cuba's best—a Hoyo de Monterrey double corona, which generally costs about $25 when purchased overseas and is not available in this country. The cigar's label clearly states that it was made in "Habana." The photo was taken in Jerusalem on July 28, 2003, during a meeting between DeLay and the Republican Jewish Coalition at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.





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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:15 PM
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1. Ethics, smethics-- the man is helping Fidel! nt
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 11:44 PM
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57. And sure, it was "technically not illegal," but SO WHAT?
"Go ahead and do what you can get away" with is not the standard I would like to set for our LAWMAKERS.

If they are representing the U.S. overseas, they should obey U.S. law even if they do not have to. The only exceptions would cases in which that would require them to violate local laws. It is only right that they should have that much respect for our laws.
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Paul Dlugokencky Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 05:07 AM
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69. Surprise, surprise!
DeLay is a hypocrite. What a shocker!



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:54 AM
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75. Yea, gee
Who'da thought, eh?

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:23 PM
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104. He's a Two Faced Piece of SHIT
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:28 AM
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79. Whereas the repugs couldn't care less about what is legal, or hypocritical
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 08:28 AM by Inland
They just see two cents going to Cuba so that Delay can look like a big shot smoking a cigar. Why does Tom love Castro so much?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:10 AM
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87. It is against the law now that the law has been changed last September
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 10:11 AM by demo dutch
the article states the following:

"DeLay's smoke may have run afoul of his principles, but it did not violate U.S. regulations at the time. However, it would now. Last September, the Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars. Even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods are no longer allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries."

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:28 AM
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89. Well they should check Limbaugh's stash then?
He is photographed regularly smoking the Cubans. So much for Republican values....
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:17 PM
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2. Just the old...
"Do as I say, not as I do" syndrome. Hypocrisy, thy name is, "Republican".
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:21 PM
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26. Of course Delay is a hypocrite. He is un-ethical, Immoral & should be
impeached and go to jail.

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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:41 PM
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53. I bet those cigars are all over Israel.
What does it say about friends who won't even honor our sanctions?
What does it say about us when we won't even honor our sanctions?

Of course, the sanctions against Cuba were meant to hurt Cubans, not us, right?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:18 PM
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3. Oh shit! Hold onto that pic1
I'd live to send it to him and ask for an explaination. Problem is, I don't matter to him, so it would fall on deaf ears. Can we have it published in a BIG circulation Miami newspaper?????
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:20 PM
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4. It's published in Time magazine
Thats pretty big
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:23 PM
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7. A big picture too, in the Ann Coulter Cover Issue EOM
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:21 PM
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5. You can bet some lobbyist paid for it. n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:22 PM
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6. Good - I'm glad Time confirmed it - we speculated about it here . . .
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:25 PM
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10. Proving once again DU is way ahead of the curve....
...when it come to exposing the rats that are gnawing at our country :)
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Craig3410 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
44. Of course, when we're the only ones TRYING to expose them.... NT
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #6
76. Great catch.
:thumbsup:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:23 PM
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8. Ahem. Effing hypocrites.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 05:48 PM by blondeatlast
Damn hypocrites--OxyContin Rush ADMITTED to enjoying Cuban cigars--and French wine... in France, and loving every minute of it.

Pardon the edit, but I had to cover an exposed portion of my posterior, as it were.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:48 PM
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16. We always put them in the checked luggage. No big deal.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:18 PM
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34. And here
I thought they were boycotting France. :eyes:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:57 PM
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38. This was in Cigar Aficionado
magazine--I believe it was the December '04 issue.

Biggest hypocrite ever. He blatantly enjoys the things he rails against on his show.

Here's a link; save it for any Rush fans you know!

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Profiles/People_Profile/0,2540,18,00.html
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #34
39. Freedom Stogies!!!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:09 PM
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41. Isn't Rush's favorite US city San Francisco?
Go figure!!!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:24 PM
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9. Tom DeLay's response to the charge of using contraban.....
..."Oh poop, I was in Israel, I thought it was a Hebrew National Brand cigar."
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:25 PM
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11. You miss the point
when Delay was handed the cigar, he immediately set fire to it.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:52 PM
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32. LOL
Nice. :D
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:25 PM
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12. Spred this across all the internets.
I'm sending it out now.


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:26 PM
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13. I think DUers may have caught this first.
There was a thread about it the other day.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:26 PM
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14. Rush smokes em too
He's proud of the fact. Hypocrites all.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:48 PM
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15. LOL!
It just keeps rollin on down for him!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:49 PM
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17. Tomorrow's headline: A Dem Senator Smoked A Cuban Once, too, ya know!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #17
29. Well, it,s not illegal to smoke them out of the country.
I've had them in Canada and Mexico. But, I'm not a hypocrite either.
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Purrfessor Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:03 PM
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45. Actually, it is now illegal to smoke them out of the country.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 09:04 PM by Purrfessor
from the article:

DeLay's smoke may have run afoul of his principles, but it did not violate U.S. regulations at the time. However, it would now. Last September, the Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars. Even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods are no longer allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries.



I guess this means we have cigar police roaming the countryside in places like Costa Rica.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:13 AM
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88. Yes it is now that they changed the law last September!
the article states as follows:

"DeLay's smoke may have run afoul of his principles, but it did not violate U.S. regulations at the time. However, it would now. Last September, the Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars. Even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods are no longer allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries."

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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 04:59 PM
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113. You don't own me.
If anything as an American citizen I am partial owner of the government. Not vice versa. This not only interferes with my liberties abroad. It also interferes with the sovereignty of other countries by using my citizenship to place American Laws upon foreign soil. If they don't want American law in their country along with American Law Enforcement. They haev to keep Americans out. Besides what's the point of spending thoudands of dollars on a vacation to a foreign country if you never leave America? Why go to Europe to sun bathe when going topless in America is illegal? They used to do that Crap in the USSR. I don't think Reagan defeated communism. I think he surrendered. The republicans have become a front for the communist party in america. I think Delay was just enjoying the benefits of being in the peoples party aka communist. That's the down side of Mc Carthyism. The republicans have gone communist and everyone is afraid to call them what they are. Pinko commie bastards!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #29
90. Maybe not illegal but very unethical for the Majority Leader especially
But when did ethics ever bother a Republican?
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ltfranklin Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:32 PM
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37. Alternate "Tomorrows Headline"
OVERZEALOUS AIDE GIVES TOM DELAY CUBAN CIGAR!

"He told me it was from Guadamala!" says angry Congressman.
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:05 AM
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84. And He didn't know it was a Cuban
The guy next to him handed it to him and told him it was really a Salvadoran cigar. How was he supposed to know?:shrug:

It's all just a plot by the vast left wing conspiracy in America to discredited one of America's finest Amerikans.:sarcasm:
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:50 PM
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18. Why doesn't he just resign and get it over with!!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:20 PM
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35. He's just like the rest of them
A pure stubborn person. Only way he'd step down is because Bush told him to. "Good for the party" type of thing.
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #18
81. NO!
Not only should he stick around, but I want him to be associated with every Republican running in 2006.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:53 PM
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19. Watch them twist this toward Clinton's cigar antics.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:54 PM
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20. Isn't that illegal?
He's broken the law and now he should pay.Is that a felony by any chance?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:13 PM
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23. Buying it would have been illegal but not smoking it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Probably not illegal to buy in Israel.
It's only illegal to buy them here.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:07 PM
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40. Dam it.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:28 PM
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42. According to the Time Magazine article, it IS illegal to smoke them
Check out the last sentence. Congress has tightened the embargo regulations:

"DeLay's smoke may have run afoul of his principles, but it did not violate U.S. regulations at the time. However, it would now. Last September, the Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars. Even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods are no longer allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries."
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #42
78. I wonder just how they intend to enforce that...
...are we on the honor system when we go overseas?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #78
109. Maybe it's to justify the ban on travel to Cuba that Cuban-American
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 09:46 PM by demo dutch
is so furious about. That they still vote Republican is beyond me!
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 05:57 PM
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21. Two faced Tom's own words
http://www.evote.com/index.asp?Page=/news_section/2000-07/07242000Cuba.asp
"This is a ruthless, murdering dictator in Cuba, and all the food will go through him," DeLay said. "He'll use that food and medicine as a tool to continue to oppress his people."

(But not the stogey money, eh Tom?)
And from his own web site:

http://www.majorityleader.gov/News.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=29

"Any economic activity between the United States and Cuba will only supply additional fuel to Castro's engine of repression. The proceeds of joint ventures and tourism don't empower the men and women of Cuba. They are bled into the Castro regime. Castro is funneling resources to develop the world's most diabolical weapons. And he shares these evil exports with the world's most dangerous and unstable regimes."

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
36. I think
it's quite pathetic. Go figure.
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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:11 PM
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22. Not sure this is a big deal... other than the usual hypocracy.
He was in Israel, where Cubans are legal.

I smoke'm all the time in Mexico. It's only illegal if you posess them here in the States.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:34 AM
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59. Even smoking them in Mexico, you are breaking the law now
Again, from the article: The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries.
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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #59
101. Holy Canoli's...
Hey Madem, Thanks for pointing out my error.

Smoking a legal cigar in Mexico is illegal for Americans?? That's the dumbest law I have ever heard of. I'm gonna smoke'm anyway, but now I want to see Delay prosecuted by his own stupid law.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:41 PM
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106. oh f that. ridiculous!
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:36 AM
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91. No, hypocrisy is no big deal to Americans, they are quite used to it
Especially Republicans....If you can not see the hypocrisy then you are a normal American. Ain't it grand????
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:18 PM
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25. The punishment for importation of Cuban products is a $10,000 fine
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 06:44 PM by Penndems
and possible jail time. The folks at Customs take this VERY seriously.

As anybody who's ever taken a Carribean cruise knows, once you get into international waters, you can fire up a Cuban corona. Just make sure you smoke that stogie BEFORE you get into U.S. territorial waters.

Somebody needs to wake up DeLay and tell him the United States has had a trade embargo against Cuba since 1962. :mad:







(on edit: typo)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:23 PM
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:26 PM
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28. what's the big deal?
Big dog smokes them too.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:39 PM
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30. The Big Dog isn't a walking talking pile of hypocritical pigshit
DeLal is.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:40 PM
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31. He didn't smoke Cuban stogies, I can tell you THAT
Contrary to GOP folklore, he smoked a regular cigar every once in a while. He actually preferred the smaller tiperellos.
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Purrfessor Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:09 PM
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47. That's right. It was Monica who preferred a well-endowed cuban...
cigar
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:37 AM
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92. Prove it
:shrug: I want to see a link with absolute proof of your statement because I believe it is a lie...
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:05 PM
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33. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!...Great find....Ship this one to
everyone you can think of...maybe to the freepers!:rofl:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:31 PM
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43. Hey, if they're good enough for Gordon Gekko...!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:08 PM
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46. I wonder why Tom Delay is financially supporting Fidel Castro.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:12 PM
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48. Boycott Havana Tom Delay: American Traitor Bitch!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:14 PM
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49. Uh oh...
P'sghettios. :)
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morffin Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:16 PM
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50. My Father spent 3 years in Castro's prison
for being an anti revolutionary.......he is.....like most Cubans ( Bay of Pigs ) a staunch Republican.

I just sent him this pic........cant wait for his response.
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:26 PM
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51. I'm very sorry that happened to your father.
Edited on Wed Apr-27-05 09:29 PM by swag
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morffin Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:37 PM
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52. Thanks Swag
for the nice words about my Dad. He is the greatest Man I will ever know. The republicans pander to the Cuban population with promises of taking down the Castro regime...Reagan had 8 years did nothing
Bush the elected had 4 years did nothing
and the Murder Monkey has done nothing in 5 years.

Yet every election the right wing goes into their get tough with Castro mode.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:46 AM
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60. Why, do you suppose, the Florida Cubans keep buying it?
You are quite right. It is an entirely GOP thing--Nixon, Bebe Rebozo...

Hell, we could take down Castro in no time, simply with a little trade. Once people get a whiff of our skewed consumerism, they want more, it's like crack....or high fructose corn syrup!!

And, from the department of irony, Circle of Life Division: Bebe Rebozo's FATHER was a Cuban cigar maker!
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morffin Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:34 AM
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80. The Repugs need Castro
in power so they can keep pandering to the Cubans in Miami. Castro will never be taken down as long as Florida is a key swing state.

The sad thing is that most Cubans are working class people who are voting against their interest by supporting republicans.

Its not just the fake tough anti Castro stance either. The core of the Cubans hatred for the Democratic party stems from the blown Bay of Pigs invasion. Cubans feel that JFK turned his back on the small liberating force and let them get slaughtered.

Our hatred of Bush is nothing compared to the avg. Cubans hatred of JFK.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:49 AM
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:51 PM
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54. Yes, he's a hypocritical douche, but I think they're legal in Jerusalem.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:47 AM
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61. Not if you are AMERICAN. Reread the article. nt
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:02 AM
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83. I got it right the first time. The article clearly states:
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 09:15 AM by FreepFryer
DeLay's smoke may have run afoul of his principles, but it did not violate U.S. regulations at the time. However, it would now. Last September, the Treasury Department Office of Foreign Assets Control tightened its prohibitions against U.S. citizens importing or consuming Cuban cigars. Even Americans licensed to bring back up to $100 worth of Cuban goods are no longer allowed to include tobacco products in what they carry. The regulation also noted that Americans are barred not only from purchasing Cuban goods in foreign countries, but also from consuming them in those countries.


Look, he's a scummy lying criminal, and he's gonna go to jail, but not for this.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:47 PM
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100. I was responding to your "legal in Jerusalem" assertion
They aren't legal for Americans to smoke, not now--that was my point. They may have been at one time, but he can't hide behind the blue and white flag to have his smoke any longer...
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:34 PM
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107. okey dokey.
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:52 AM
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65. Legal or illegal, that's not the point
He said: Fidel Castro "will take the money. Every dime that finds its way into Cuba first finds its way into Fidel Castro's blood-thirsty hands.... American consumers will get their fine cigars and their cheap sugar, but at the cost of our national honor."

So it's not even a matter of legality, it's a matter of national honor.

According to Tom DeLay anyway.
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FreepFryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 08:59 AM
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82. Right - he's a hypocritical douche.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:06 AM
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111. What would Tom DeLay know about honor...
National or any other kind?

>>So it's not even a matter of legality, it's a matter of national honor.

According to Tom DeLay anyway.<<
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mark wayne Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:52 PM
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55. Now if only we could catch him
with a "Monica Lewinsky"!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:48 AM
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62. You'd probably have to catch him with a viagra first! n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:55 PM
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56. Sometimes It's The Little Things
n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:19 AM
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58. I wouldn't care if this wasn't so fucking HYPOCRITICAL!
Wanna go to a foreign land and smoke some Cohibas? I'm OK with that. But saying "Every dime that finds its way into Cuba first finds its way into Fidel Castro's blood-thirsty hands" and smoking one is just fucked up. The point isn't the cigar, it's as Beetwasher said. It's the little things.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:51 AM
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64. You know how they will play it, though?
He'll say he didn't really "consume" that cigar because he didn't INHALE. And then, he'll find a way to make them believe that Clinton's PENIS MADE HIM smoke that cigar!

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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 05:44 AM
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72. And not only didn't he inhale.......
he'll say he was told it wasn't a Cuban cigar and was misled into thinking it was an American one.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:37 AM
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74. Yep, today is the day they try on "MISLED" for size
I hope the universal response to that is "MISLED, MY ASS!"

And I hope Abramoff has a bodyguard and a food taster, and stays away from questionable transportation methods.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:06 AM
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66. How this for a headline..........Tom Delay supports Commie pinko regime.
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surrey405 Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:31 AM
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67. Dont be so hard on him...
Sometimes our great Rep leaders need some time away...they need a cuban smoke...they need time away to their inner core...they always cannot wear their white KKK supporting covers...let them live a little...he is probably just building them up in his safe to plant them...in the judges houses...let him live...Go Cuban Cigars...make way for more conservative judges...and let liberal judges be shot like they would if they were under Castro...oh did i just say Castro...i meant W...Our National Hero W.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 02:33 AM
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68. Damn you people are good!
Nice catch, these guys are the personification of hypocrisy!
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 05:20 AM
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70. We Should Look For Pix Showing DeLay Smoking in US
Progressives should look for pictures of the--ahem--Honorable Representative from Texas smoking Cuban cigars in the US. Catching the bugman smoking cigars from Forbidden Island would make for an interesting challenge for roll-film photographers--esp since roll film images are more credible than Photoshop (tm) prone digital images.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 05:24 AM
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71. He's celebrating the birth of the 'satan era' by being a hypocrite.
I find it perfectly indicative to the repugs shameless free for all these days. Nothing is beneath a repug. The repug motto: if it feels hypocritical, do it.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:24 AM
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73. And it's illegal too!
Why isn't someone pounding this motherfucker on this?
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Robworld Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 07:01 AM
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77. Tom Delay's patriotism in action.
Don't you realize that he was defending capitalism by smoking away the communist cigar. You obviously can't see the the symbolism behind this.

http://www.dumdumgoestothecircus.com/
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:10 AM
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85. This picture should be used in the election campaign against him
If he lasts that long.

I see a big billboard with this picture and the message:

"You've suffered under this fat cat long enough"

"Without delay, out with Delay"
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captain crunch Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:45 AM
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86. Is anyone gettin this to Boxer and Conyers?
this should be part of the investigation.
Delay is goin DOWN!!
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vando Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:41 AM
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93. Question: does this redeem Time Magazine?
Between this and the earlier rundown of the DeLay scandals, it seems that Time is doing a decent job shining some light on the activities of this cockroach. My question is: taken in the context of the recent Coulter suck-up piece, do we conclude:


  1. that Time is actually following some sort of objective journalistic principle in showing both the positives and negatives of both ends of the political spectrum, as they claim; or

  2. they're spinelessly caving to pressure from the left, just like they spinelessly cave to pressure from the right.


I genuinely want to know people's opinion. Mind you, I still think Mr. Cloud's piece is pure hackery, and running a piece on Ms. "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building" on the tenth anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing is hard to excuse. Rather, I'm curious about what the left's approach should be toward a national publication that remains somewhat important.
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Callboy Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:44 AM
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94. some em if ya gottem
puff puff puff
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:16 PM
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98. As badly as I'd like to believe that it's #1, I have to suggest that there
is probably a third option: Bandwagon.

DeLay is bleeding so the MSM is preparing to go into Shark Mode. It happened with Clinton, Newt, and even GeeWeeBee (albeit to a much lesser extent... so far).

Same as it ever was.


I'd love to be wrong. Frankly, I'd much rather have news outlets just report the friggin' facts, regardless of whose ox gets gored.

And welcome to DU~
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dsnail Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 12:48 PM
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95. A Scandal of Irony
A Scandal of Irony: Abramoff Used DeLay to Fund Anti-Intifada Militia
by Joshua Frank

It shouldn't come as much of a shock that Jack Abramoff, the infamous DC super-lobbyist who has been accused of ripping off millions from his Native American clients, is a rabid Zionist. Abramoff, in the late 1990s, set up a pro-Israel charity front called the Capital Athletic Foundation. Sounds jovial enough. “The pitch ... was hard to resist,” Michael Isikoff recently reported for Newsweek, “a good way to get access on Capitol Hill, he told his clients ... was to contribute to worthy charity ... was supposed to provide sports programs and teach ‘leadership skills’ to city youth. Donating to it also had a side benefit, Abramoff told his clients: it was a favored cause of Rep. Tom DeLay.”....
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Apr05/Frank0428.htm
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:01 PM
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96. Cuban cigars and DeLay
Is that what that funny writtin' on the label says? Damn Castro for not printin' it in Cuban, but in Spanish - sneaky Commie that he is. I apologize if it offended anyone.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:11 PM
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97. Amazing. He really did (when this pic was taken) feel totally invulnerable
He could do anything, say anything, to anyone. He knew everyone feared him and "he was the government." So he felt quite safe doing something as stupid as this where it might be photographed. News media were under tight control, so why worry? Who would dare to call him on it? He would crush them and smother the story like so many other more important stories.

The utter hubris and assumption of invulnerability are even more chilling than the hypocrisy, and that is saying something.

yes, let's send this picture and the explanation everywhere. The fact that TIME printed it shows that the Powers That Be have decided that Tom DeLay's problems outweigh his continued usefulness. It's a clear sign that he is being jettisoned from the moving train of the neocons. No way would this have come out in that magazine without approval from the Powers.

Buh-bye, Tom! Can't say it was a pleasure! Too bad the six-legged coakroaches will be such a comedown for you after your high station among the two-legged ones.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:00 PM
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102. Great Bradenton CARTOON on DeLay
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 01:37 PM
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99. Interesting piece from his website
"Those who would end the embargo may believe that, by engaging Cuba, their approach will bring constructive results. But nothing in Cuba takes place without Castro's blessing. And Castro profits from every business transaction in Cuba. Easing the embargo would only empower a tottering dictator."

more http://www.majorityleader.gov/News.asp?FormMode=Detail&ID=29


:shrug:
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Predator Saint Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:11 PM
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103. He didn't pay for it

It's OK for him to smoke a Cuban cigar if none of the money went to help Castro.

Let's give Tom Delay the benefit of the doubt, he probably stole it.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 09:38 PM
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108. Not.. the new law says Americans aren's supposed to import or consume
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 09:45 PM by demo dutch
even if you are outside of the US!
Yesterday was National Call-in Day on Cuba policy, mostly for Cubans that want to change the travel-ban. It's amazing to me that Cuban-Americans still vote Republican. Anyhow if the ban were lifted they would all violate the new law!
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OneForLuck Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:11 PM
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105. surprise surprise
Why is it that I find myself constantly surprised by the overwhelming hypocrisy?? I honestly want to believe that even someone who has a soul as dark as Tom DeLay's occasionally means what he says. The odds say it has to happen once in a while. Then I find another article, like this one. And once I'm finished laughing my ass off I begin to wonder... ARE THEY ACTUALLY THIS STUPID OR DO I JUST SET MY EXPECTATIONS TOO HIGH?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 10:11 PM
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110. hypocrite bastard!
I'm sure it was given to him by his host, and he just couldn't insult the ole Butcher of Beirut by turning it down!
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 10:42 AM
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112. FORCE THE MAINSTREAM TO PICK THIS UP
Email everyone links--especially the few journalists who still have integrity.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 05:15 PM
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114. Delay caught supporting terrorist regime!
Yes that's right Tom Delay is promoting and financing what Bush has called the terrorist regime of Fidel Castro. Every Cuban Cigar purchased for Delay to smoke is brings America closer to it's next boat load of Cuban refugees. I guess they can stay at Tom's house. He funded the oppression they are fleeing. If he didn't smoke them. people wouldn't buy them for him. Delay may not have run afoul of Import laws. But he may have ran afoul of the patriot act provisions on supporting terrorist regimes. But hey, they will change ethics rules for him so Bush will back down from Castro like a sissy boy for Delay too. We may have actually found someone that is more important than Bush.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 06:10 PM
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115. Well You Can Just Chalk This Up
to more CONservative/Rethuglican HYPOCRISY! FU, Tom Delay!
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