"the strength of the insurgency has not changed in the last year"

[welshTerrier2]

General Richard Myers is taking part in a joint press conference with Rumsfeld on C-Span ...

He was asked whether the US is making progress against the insurgency in Iraq ...

His response was that the insurgency is about at the same level of strength it was at one year ago ...

how's that for progress ?????????

bush does not want the occupation to end ... the sooner all Americans, especially elected Democrats understand that, the better off we, and the Iraqis, will be ...

[Ganja Ninja]

1. But American Idol is rigged!!!!!!!

So who cares about dumb old Iraq?:sarcasm:

[hatrack]

2. Basic American military doctrine:

If an insurgency can sustain itself in the face of continuing counter-guerilla warfare, let alone grow in size, by definition it is winning.

[bvar22]

3. This statement by Gen. Meyers is...

...an open admission that
the USA is LOSING the War on the Iraqi People.


The reports from inside Iraq would indicate that Gen. Meyers is being optomistic.

The Homeland Resistance to an Occupation by foreign forces DOES NOT HAVE TO WIN! If after $250Billion Dollars, 120,00 dead Iraqis, 1600 Dead Americans, countless others maimed for life,....& The Iraqi Resistance is still AS STRONG AS LAST YEAR...score 1 for the Resistance.

The reports from INSIDE IRAQ (not inside the green zone) all say that the Resistance is GROWING and becoming MORE organized and MORE effective. Today, Gen. Meyers admitted the truth!

The USA cannot win(whatever that means). Our soldiers are dying in vain, and our money is being wasted!

[bvar22]

4. I would love to have the transcript

...before recommending for Greatest, but I'm going to recommend anyway.

[welshTerrier2]

8. here's one write-up

it's not a transcript and it includes only one of at least two references Gen. Myers made to the strength of the insurgency

here's a link: http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/04262005_hs_zarqawi.html

Questioned about the level of insurgency in Iraq compared to last year, Myers said, "In terms of incidents, it's right about where it was a year ago."

i hope there will be a full transcript so that we don't have to endure the filtering by the press ...

[bvar22]

9. Good enough for me!

"Questioned about the level of insurgency in Iraq compared to last year, Myers said, "In terms of incidents, it's right about where it was a year ago."


Come on....1 more recommendation for Greatest!

[norml]

12. Rumsfeld was doing a slow burn while Myers was saying that.

Then they both started dancing.

[welshTerrier2]

13. he really was ...

rumsfeld gave him that "what the hell are you saying look" ...

rumsfeld's defense of "progress" was "well, the number of incidents went up, but then it went down, but then it went up and right now it's down" ... great defense, eh ???

[Jacobin]

23. LMAO

Typical attempt at doing a micro analysis of a macro event,

i.e. "While watching the condemned man drop from the scaffold, analysts noted that he was okay on the way down, bounced once and seemed to breathe for a second, bounced back down chocking some more and bounced up again gasping for breath. He's not dead just yet, so things are going well. He might bounce up and get another breath of air."

The media in this country, aside from being told what to say by the corporate whores, is quite stupid. They play right along with this maniac's little games.

[norml]

10. I've recommended it, because I know it will be a big story

and the headline on this thread is as good as any.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. This is new. They have been saying the opposite for months now

particularly after the "election". Scott Ritter once predicted that we would be driven out of Iraq on a rail, Ritter has been right about everything else so far.

[leftofthedial]

6. with the entire population opposed to us

the insurgency can't get much worse

[bvar22]

11. In spite of "Shock & Awe"....

and $230 Billion dollars spent by the most advanced superpower in the World, there are still over 1 Billion muslims left. According to Gen Meyers, the Fristian Crusaders are in trouble.

This can and will get worse.

[norml]

7. I want a transcript of that press conference, for comedy material.

I've rarely seen them dancing that fast before.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3547102&mesg_id=3547102

[democrank]

14. Not changed?

Meyers and Rummy must think we buy this crap. It reminds me so much of the lies upon lies we heard during the Vietnam War.

[understandinglife]

15. Time to round up all them Fristians and ship'um to Iraqnam (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on all the atrocities committed by Bu$h and the Fristian neoconsters)

[Crunchy Frog]

16. It doesn't surprise me.

I know that it kind of goes in cycles, and there are periodic lulls in the amount of violence, relatively speaking. I think it's because we're in one of those lulls right now that people are jumping the gun on saying the insurgency is running out of steam.

It appears to be picking up again now though. I don't see it ending until the root causes are gone, which is the perception of being occupied by a foreign power, as well as the casual killing of civilians by U.S. troops that continues to make enemies and reinforces the view of the occupiers as indifferent to the welfare of Iraqis and simply out for their own interests.

Unfortunately, I don't really see anything changing while the Republicans are in power.

[welshTerrier2]

17. "while the Republicans are in power"

or while the Democrats vote more money to continue the occupation ...

[Crunchy Frog]

18. I wish the Democrats wouldn't vote that way, at least not without

demanding real accountability, but even if they were all voting against it, they are in the minority and the funding would still get voted for.

[welshTerrier2]

19. agreed ... the problem is though ...

that it will get voted for the next time and the next and the next and so on ... until Democrats LEAD and start telling the American people the truth about the corruptions of the bush gang and their evil, self-serving corporate goals in Iraq and elsewhere, the "war" will never end ...

the process of educating the citizenry is critically important whether you're "in power" or you're not ... we shouldn't measure the importance of voting correctly in terms of whether we can control the outcome of the vote ... Democrats continue to send a strong message by voting as they have that bush's Iraq policies, while they may have handled it differently, are essentially correct ...

[Crunchy Frog]

21. Agreed. n/t

[ZootSuitGringo]

20. But, but, but,

I thought the Iraqis had an election, and the war was over?

You mean, we were crowing about the sunrise? Gee, Who knew?

[Roland99]

22. Does that mean we made progress or no?

What an ambiguously vague statement.

[Jacobin]

24. kick

[Disturbed]

25. But....the next Pres. said the Insugency is losing.

If Hillary said it we can all relax.