Vatican says "One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is law"

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html

The softer side of Pope Benedict XVI?

Well, that didn't take long.

Just three days after Joseph Ratzinger was elected pope, and just two days after U.S. cardinals went on a publicity blitz trying to soften the new pontiff's image, the Vatican has come out swinging against Spain's move to legalize same-sex marriages and adoptions by gay couples. As the Times of London reports, a Vatican spokesman declared Spain's new law "iniquitous" today and demanded that Catholics disobey it.

"We cannot impose the iniquitous on people," said Cardinal Alfonso Lopes Trujill, head of the Pontifical Council on the Family. "On the contrary, precisely because (the law is) iniquitous, the Church makes an urgent call for freedom of conscience and the duty to oppose. A law as profoundly iniquitous as this one is not an obligation, it cannot be an obligation. One cannot say that a law is right simply because it is law." The Times says that Trujill called on municipal officials to refuse to perform ceremonies recognizing gay marriages, even if doing so cost them their jobs. "They should exercise the same conscientious objection asked of doctors and nurses against a crime such as abortion," he said. "This is not a matter of choice: All Christians . . . must be prepared to pay the highest price, including the loss of a job."

-- Tim Grieve

09:36 EDT, April 22, 2005

[Freedom_from_Chains]

1. Well one cannot say the bible is right, just because it is the bible

But you guys do it anyway.

[ComerPerro]

25. Zing!

Seriously. Great response.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

33. Thank you. Just annoys me to no end. Don't they get it? It's a book!!!

[spunky]

2. Hey, let 'em get fired. They won't stop same sex marriages or adoptions

from taking place, they'll just hire non-Catholics who'll uphold the law.

Nice to see people in a position of authority calling on people to take the law in thier own hands and deny others their legally granted rights. :sarcasm:

[AntiCoup2K4]

3. Geezus, that's the first closeup pic I've seen of Pope Placeholder

I'm guessing that Pope Peter the False Prophet (whomever he will be) is already getting his shit together, because Ratzi doesn't look like he's gonna last much longer than JPI did

[MoonRiver]

4. I'm so glad I'm not a Democratic Catholic.

I have no cognitive dissonance to deal with. Seriously, this is line in the sand time for Dem Catholics.

[atreides1]

5. Well so much for the softer side.

It's nice of the Vatican to tell people they should give up their jobs to violate the law, and thne offer nothing more then a pat on the back when those very same people can't feed, clothe, or house their families.

But I guess as long as the good cardinal has a roof over his head, and gets fed, and has his clothing provided by the followers of the Catholic church, it's all good!!!!!

[MoonRiver]

7. Hey, he's offering them a free ticket to "Heaven".

Course it's probably not as convincing as guaranteeing the additional bonus of 100 virgins, aka Taliban propaganda. My God, where is this world going?
:scared:

[KansDem]

21. I think you're 28 virgins too high...

Notice, the prize for sacrifice in Islam, is 72 virgins in the after-life, i.e. unlimited fulfillment of desire, whereas the reward for the life well lived in Judaism and Christianity, is eternal closeness with G-D (the All-Good) in heaven. Islam appeals to the most base, material, and aggressive drives in man. Just look at the open societies in the West - even with their occasional excesses - they are vastly more appealing than the totalitarian places Islamic "anti-civilization" has produced
http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/june_2004/pasko.htm

Inflation?

But like Everett Dirksen* might have said, "a virgin here, a virgin there, and pretty soon your talking real virginity!"

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*Did Dirksen ever say, " A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money"? (or anything very close to that?)

Perhaps not. Based on an exhaustive search of the paper and audio records of The Dirksen Congressional Center, staffers there have found no evidence that Dirksen ever uttered the phrase popularly attributed to him.
http://www.dirksencenter.org/print_emd_billionhere.htm

[MoonRiver]

22. Maybe so, but it's a better sell than playing harps with St. Peter!

:D

[KansDem]

23. Point well taken!

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[SemperEadem]

28. and if you pay him

you can get your grandmother out of purgatory... Ah, those indulgences sure were a great source of revenue back in the day--when people were illiterate and were told what they needed to know; and if they questioned, they were burned at the stake as heretics.

I wonder what he thought about the movie "The Messenger"?

[MoonRiver]

30. Sometimes I almost envy people who can buy into all that crap.

Life seems much simpler for the unwashed lemmings.:(

[MollyStark]

6. Duh? Of course that is true

It is also true about Doctrinal "law".

[Beelzebud]

8. /me pukes

This from an organization that protects child rapers!

Hey pope. Is raping children wrong, or is it just what you have to do to be able to retire in Rome?

[rniel]

9. He's spooky looking

Pope John Paul had a friendly nice face. This guy scares me.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. He scares me too

Negative vibes man.

[calimary]

24. I know what you mean. I feel like my mother remarried and

my new stepdad is pat robertson. Not comforting. Not comforting AT ALL.

[bullimiami]

10. the church has no claim on morality

they should just look back on their greedy blood covered, and recently sexual deviant filled history before telling others what is right and wrong.

[SemperEadem]

29. the sexual deviancy was there all along

they were just more effective in keeping the victims shamed into silence by threatening their souls in the afterlife if they told. What's a person who doesn't know better to think? Talk and you burn forever--stay quiet and you might not; then again you might.

[Soopercali]

11. You'll notice he's not saying anything about Connecticut.

You don't suppose it has anything to do with the collection basket, do you?

[kenny blankenship]

12. Why not? THEY do exactly the same thing ALL THE TIME -nt

[Dave Sund]

13. Is this the rationalization he uses

For ignoring the sex abuse scandals?

[rocktivity]

14. Rocknation: The Vactican cannot say that the Vactican is right

simply because they are the Vatican.

If you don't approve of same-sex marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex.

:headbang:
rocknation

[cheezus]

16. yes they can

because the pope is infalliable :eyes:

[rocktivity]

17. Infallibility: the ultimate copout.

You don't have to explain or argue ANYTHING if it's agreed that you're ALWAYS right!


rocknation

[FreedomAngel82]

19. And

he's God's chosen one. :eyes:

[ldf]

15. the "because i said so" only worked

till about age 17, as long as i was living at home.

now, because "YOU" said so doesn't mean crap.

and CERTAINLY NOT because "the bible said so".

:grr:

[gratuitous]

20. And just because a guy in a dress wearing a funny hat tells me . . .

That I should hate someone, I think I'll pass, because I have stricter orders from someone in a position of higher authority told me that I'm supposed to love everyone, and a friend of his said that as far as possible, and so far as it depends on me, I should live in and share God's shalom with everyone.

Sorry, Mr. Ratzinger.

[fresnobill314]

26. Can we say the same thing about Leviticus?

There are some CRAZY laws written there!

[SemperEadem]

27. Poor Bishop of Rome

Where is Phillip II Hapsburg when you need him? No Catholic King with absolute power in Spain, no Holy Roman Empire, no Inquisition, no Torquemada... just the bishop whistling in the wind.

[markus]

31. Before I spend the whole weekend looking, where in the Gospels does Jesus

condemn homosexuality?

Forget about Paul. That's talking about the Roman part of Roman catholic. I'm not interested in pathetic attempts to impose 2000-year-old Roman philosophy or morals on Xianity. I mean, in the gospels.

[fresnobill314]

32. Don't bother looking.

There is no reference to Jesus condemning homosexuality in any of the four gospels. Paul (Saul of Tarsus) is the only homophobe on record in the New Testament.

[ima_sinnic]

34. oh brother.

I thought priests and the like were supposed to be kindly "shepherds." this guy and all he represents is mean, evil and the stuff of nightmares. I have come to the conclusion that the CC is in reality the church of satan personified.

go ahead, call me "intolerant"--I really don't give a rat's ass. yeah, I'm INTOLERANT of pedophile tolerators and HATE-MONGERS. This is so contrary to Jesus's teachings and example that it is a joke. This man is satanic. anybody who chooses to follow him should have his or her head examined. just my humble opinion for which I am sure I will be flamed and probably deleted.

WHO WOULD JESUS HATE, RATZO?