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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:07 AM Original message |
The Chasm Between "Us" and "Them" |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good questions |
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Sick_of_Rethuggery (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. I often worry about that too... |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. I would say it begins with trying to stop the Us and Them stuff. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But is that denying reality ? |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Your mistake, I think, is insisting that the They are monolithic. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That's what I'm asking for ? |
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Demit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Give you a list? Do it for you? Why don't you start instead? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I think our biggest weapon will be, and it is surprising, the deficit. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Good points , Toots.. |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. A basic division between |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. It all ends when the right wing house of cards economy collapses. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I fear you may be correct... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
10. Bullshit. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. And they continue to vote for what you say they do not believe in... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. You still didn't answer my question. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I picked only a few issues where the disagreements are... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. You still didn't answer my question. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I think I answered your question.... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Okay, if you won't give me your definition, I'll give you mine. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. So you are saying those that are manipulated are not part of "them"? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Hey, I told you my definition - when are you going to tell me yours?? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I haven't seen your definition? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You mean you commented on post #21 without even reading it?? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I gave several examples in my post ; you gave nothing. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. What examples? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Are you saying that they are? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It doesn't matter... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. And if they are, why do they need to be manipulated? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Because they want to be... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. And you're saying ignorance can't be overcome?? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. But that's my point ! |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. But that's my question. Who do you mean by Republicons? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. They only vote "monolithically"... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Is there a chasm? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. How they vote is how they think... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Have you ever sat down and talked with a self-defined "Republican?" |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I have tried... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So are you saying the Progressive cause is hopeless? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No. I'm saying we are in a friggin' war... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I agree (note handle) but that brings me back to my original question... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 03:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. "potential" allies or present enemies? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Enemies or victims, ken? What happened to that old Progressive compassion? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Who's my real enemy? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Are they enemies or victims? Why don't you give a direct answer? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I don't know. What do you think? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. What do you mean by that? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
11. It's cyclical. We compromise, they don't. That gives us flexibility |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
13. The diff is how we look for our common goals: Security, Fun, Health, |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. I think we agree the sky is blue |
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samilib (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-05 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. Good questions. |
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