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Cattledog Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:25 PM
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Millionaires backing Fundamentalist takeover of the Government.
Amway founder Rich DeVos, Jean Case, wife of former AOL chief Steve Case, and Tom Monaghan, founder of Domino's Pizza are backing these psychos!




"Meet the Dominionists -- biblical literalists who believe God has called them to take over the U.S. government. As the far-right wing of the evangelical movement, Dominionists are pressing an agenda that makes Newt Gingrich's Contract With America look like the Communist Manifesto. They want to rewrite schoolbooks to reflect a Christian version of American history, pack the nation's courts with judges who follow Old Testament law, post the Ten Commandments in every courthouse and make it a felony for gay men to have sex and women to have abortions. In Florida, when the courts ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed, it was the Dominionists who organized round-the-clock protests and issued a fiery call for Gov. Jeb Bush to defy the law and take Schiavo into state custody. Their ultimate goal is to plant the seeds of a "faith-based" government that will endure far longer than Bush's presidency -- all the way until Jesus comes back."

Read the entire article at:

back.http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:33 PM
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1. Tom Monaghan is a cuckoo from way back when...Amway is a destructive
cult that feeds off of ripping people off by coercing them to participate in merchandising pyramid schemes. Tom Monaghan has been an active member of Opus Dei since at leat the mid-eighties. He's supported anti abortion groups with hundreds of thousands of dollars. They are absolutely evil and dangerous. I'm glad this article is published in RollingStone, where it will hopefully reach a wider audience.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:35 PM
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2. I'm terrified of these people. Truly terrified.
If they get their way, as muchas I love my country, I won't be able to stay here. It won't be America anymore.

But I don't truly see this happening. THose who are asleep in this country wil surly wake up.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:42 PM
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3. I totally agree with your first statement.
I'm terrified of these people as well. As far as your second statement, I really hope you're correct.

Those people want a theocracy. :scared:
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:46 PM
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4. I thought they were already???
"The most vivid proof of the Christianizing of Capitol Hill comes at the final session of Reclaiming America. Rep. Walter Jones, a lanky congressman from North Carolina, gives a fire-and-brimstone speech that would have gotten him laughed out of Washington thirty years ago. In today's climate, however, he's got a chance of passing his pet project, the Houses of Worship Free Speech Restoration Act, which would permit ministers to endorse political candidates from their pulpits, effectively converting their tax-exempt churches into Republican campaign headquarters."
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:44 PM
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8. Link! Link! Lnk!
I'd love to read the whole thing! Way too scary!!!!!!!!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:47 PM
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9. Link is in the OP
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 04:47 PM by Roland99
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:54 PM
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11. Thanks!
Helps to read more carefully, huh?

I also looked up Great site!
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electricray Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:47 PM
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5. The true Dominionist goal is much scarier.
They actually want to eventually have a new constitutional convention. I hope we can stop them soon.

The following snippet is from a story about Bush's inaugural speech and its code language that was meant for the Dominionists. The full article can be found here: Yurica Report


A Textbook for the Bush Agenda

Not only has Mr. Bush borrowed phrases from biblical passages—which after all is not that unusual for American presidents to do, but there is also a remarkable similarity of words and ideas between Mr. Bush’s inaugural address and a religious-right dominionist textbook for home schooled children. The ideas borrowed are explosive and revolutionary. I would call them bizarre—if they did not represent such a real threat to all Americans and the world. The book, America’s Providential History was published in 1989 by co-authors Mark A. Beliles and Stephen K. McDowell, and went on to become a home school classic.<4>

Joan Bokaer, the founder of TheocracyWatch.org at Cornell University, alerted me to the existence of this book and observed that America’s Providential History “suggests a relationship between the ‘dominion mandate’ as described in the textbook, and Mr. Bush’s economic, social, and environmental programs.”<5> I have found the work is also connected to Mr. Bush’s foreign policy.

The book can be called seditious. It not only advocates the reformation of our government—it requires changing America into a one party theocracy—with only dominionist Christians in positions of political power, notwithstanding the Constitution, which states, “but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” The authors write:

“It must be added here that Christians need to be involved in both of the major political parties…The ultimate goal should be for enough Christians to become involved in both major parties so that eventually the candidates on the ballot in November are both of the type that fit into Biblical qualifications.”<6>

“If Christians in every locality became a controlling influence in a political party after two years of serving there consistently, then every godly representative in the state legislatures and the Congress could be replaced within six years to work with a godly president.”<7>

“If we work for more godly representatives in 2/3 of the state legislatures then we can bypass Congress and call a new Constitutional Convention to clean up all of the mess we have made of it in the past 200 years! Then with godly state legislatures, the odds are good that delegates appointed by them to a new Convention will be godly and wise as well.” <8>

The “mess” the dominionists want to “clean up” begins with the 14th amendment: “no state shall ‘deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;’”<9> and includes the 16th amendment, which gave Congress the power to collect progressive taxes on incomes;<10> and the 17th amendment in which Senators were no longer appointed by the state legislatures to represent their interests;<11> and the Supreme Court, which, the authors state, “has itself acted unconstitutionally.”<12>
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:05 PM
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6. Welcome to DU!
Thanks for this very instructive post, and for the link to Theocracywatch.org. The dominionist, Christian Reconstructionist and PNAC rhetoric and agendas are beyond scary. I know quite a few homeschoolers and have some strong feelings about that particular subject, even stronger now that I see what their so-called "history book" has been teaching. One thing this does is keep young people from being exposed to the truth, of course, but also assures that their minds are closed tightly enough that when/if the truth does reach them, they will reject it. It's good to have you as a part of the DU forum--especially glad to have a likeminded and articulate fellow Oregonian among us. More and more, I'm glad I live so close to the Canadian border.

Tired Old Cynic
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:13 PM
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20. Hi electricray!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:43 PM
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7. It is interesting that most of us have really never seen a theocracy in
action until now - Afghanistan.

I find it strange that we have so recently had that horrible example put in front of us, and for the first time in American history some people want to do the same thing to our country.

Instead of learning a lesson from the horrors of Afghanistan being ruled by religious fanatics, these people want to copy them.

They don't seem to understand that in the long-run the results will be the same.

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:50 PM
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10. Links
Theocracy Watch

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

Yurica Report

http://www.yuricareport.com/

Much of the information found in the Rolling Stones article can be found here.

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electricray Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:34 PM
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13. Thanks for correctly posting those links.
I am new to the whole embedded links thing. I thought I had it right this time. Oh well, I'm sure I'll have other posts to give it another shot with.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:45 PM
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14. Practice Makes Perfect - You'll Get There
Edited on Sun Apr-17-05 06:14 PM by mhr
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 04:56 PM
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12. Can There Be Any Doubt That This Country Has Gone Crazy
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 05:52 PM
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15. These people use religion as a disguise. They are not truly spiritual
and are more white supremist than anything else.

Although there is only a certain (wealthy "Christian") brand of white that they would qualify as supreme. They are narcissists by design, which is the core issue of any supremist personality. They believe they are entitled to everything and that they should have control over what everyone else is entitled to.

People like this appear to utilize the Bible and religion in order to 'purify' and slickly advertise their ulterior motives which are to control and dominate everyone else and to pursue a highly anti-Democratic/anti-American agenda.

Religion is only the glittery, distracting disguise they wear. There's no altruism or concern for the higher good involved here at all.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 06:50 PM
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16. BINGO!!!
Hallo Du!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2885730

Your assignment, if you wish to accept it, is to connect the dots:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2042516

For extra credit: Christian Reconstructionism, Federalist Society

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:48 PM
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17. Federalist Society ....our future
Federal clerks Than Federal/Scotus Jurists thanks to Scalia and Thomas that have 10X the society chapters in the last decade

quote......
This complements the Society’s long-established Student Division, a network of 140 law school chapters with 5,000 members nationwide.
end quote......

I want everyone to stop for one second and recognize what I just posted. 5000 of the most educated kids studying Law at the countries finest institutions are only going to perpetuate this ideology for decades to come.


http://www.nexusjournal.org/2002judicial/GerchikRTP.htm

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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 07:48 PM
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18. Beginning of the theocracy
Kiss the democratic secular ideals of the founding fathers goodbye. We're about to be taken over.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 08:38 PM
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19. Or
In order to maintain true control, a theocracy tends to remove guns. A ban on guns and taking them away from owners would secure a theocracy.

Imagine NASCAR dad #8 when politicians say they have to ban guns.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:24 PM
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21. Here's some pics of these folks
There are so many faceless players in this thing, that I think it helps sometimes to put a face to a name.



Tom Monaghan


Rick Devos


Steve and Jean Case



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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:27 PM
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22. Actually, it's the billionaires who have tricked the fundies into...
...supporting THEIR corporatist takeover of the government.

The Terri Schiavo saga has prompted yet another round of fears that the Republican Party has been hijacked by religious conservatives. The truth, however, is just the opposite: Religious conservatives have been hijacked by the Republican Party.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-chait1apr01.story

NGU.


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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:36 PM
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23. And the neo-cons...
In "Power Down: Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World," Richard Heinberg, (which I read before the November 2004 election), writes about neo-cons, stealing the election in 2000, 9/11, etc. Here is what he writes about the neo-cons (there's no link--this is from his book):

Quote:
Neoconservatism is the intellectual offspring of Leo Strauss (1899-1973), a Jewish scholar who fled Hitler's Germany and taught political science at the University of Chicago. According to Shadia Drury in "Leo Strauss and the American Right," (Griffin , 1999), Strauss advocated an essentially Machiavellian approach to government. He believed that:

1. A leader must perpetually deceive those being ruled.
2. Those who lead are accountable to no overarching system of morals, only to the right of the superior to rule the inferior.
3. Religion is the force that binds society together, and is therefore the tool by which the ruler can manipulate the masses (any religion will do).
4. Secularism in society is to be supressed, because it leads to critical thinking and dissent.
5. A political system can be stable only if it is united against an external threat, and that if no real threat exists, one should be manufactured.

Drury writes that "In Strauss' view, the trouble with liberal society is that it dispenses with noble lies and pious frauds. It tries to found society on secular rational foundations."

Among Strauss' students was Paul Wolfowitz, one of the leading hawks in the US Defense Department, who urged the invasion of Iraq; second-generation students include Newt Gingrich, Clarence Thomas, Irving Kristol, William Bennett, John Ashcroft, and Micahel Ledeen.

Ledeen, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and author of "Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli's Iron Rules are as Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago" (1999), is a policy advisor (via Karl Rove) to the Bush administration. His fascination with Machiavelli seems to be deep and abiding, and appears to be shared by his fellow neocons. "In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, " writes Ledeen, "the leader may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired, and challenging. It is why we are drawn to him still..."

Machiavelli's books, "The Prince" and "The Discourses," constituted manuals on amassing political power; they have inspired kings and tyrants, including Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin. The leader, according to Machiavelli, must prretend to do good even as he is actually doing the opposite. "Everybody sees what you appear to be, few feel what you are, and those few will not dare oppose themselves to the many, who have the majest of the state to defend them ... Let a prince therefore aim at conquering and maintaining the state, and the means will always be judged honourable and praised by everyone, for the vulgar is always taken by appearances..." It is to Machiavelli that we owe the dictum that "the end justifies the means."

In her essay, "The Despoiling of America," investigative reporter Katherine Yurica explains how a dominant faction of the Christian Right, which she calls "dominionism," has found common cause with the neoconservative movement. Dominionism arose in the 1970's as a politicized religious reaction to communism and secular humanism. One of its foremost spokespersons, Pat Robertson (religious braodcaster, former presidential candidate, and founder of the Christian Coalition), has for decades patiently and relentlessly put forward the view to his millions of daily television viewers that God intends His followers to rule the world on His behalf. Yurica describes dominionism as a Machiavellian perversion of Christianity. For the Christian right, neoconservatives like George W. Bush and John Ashcroft can do no wrong, becasue they are among God's elect. All is fair in the holy war against atheists, secular humanists, Muslims and liberals.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:42 PM
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25. Yup, the two P's of the Radical Right Wing - power and profits.
NGU.


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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-05 03:42 PM
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24. some millionaires are likely to be fundies
but the bigger picture alliance among corporations, wealthy individuals and religiously insane seems destined to fail

after all, corporate profits are rarely "moral."

armageddon has to be bad for business, wouldn't you think?

Wealthy individuals are smugly sitting on the sidelines, enjoying their tax cuts and raking in profits by exploiting the volatility fostered by the triumph of insanity
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