Can we turn Rev Moon into the Right's Soros?

[GeorgeBushytail]

Too few people know about the Reverend Moon
( http://www.unification.org/rev_mrs_moon.html ),
owner of the Washington Times
( http://www.perkel.com/politics/moonies/ )
and shady right wing oligarch.

The Repubs have succeeded in making Soros into shorthand for shadowy international leftist money-power.

I suggest we start using Reverend Moon as shorthand for a right wing Soros.

Like Reid over Frist, I'll choose Soros over Moon any day. The more you learn about Soros, the more you have to admire the work he's done - boosting democracy in Eastern Europe for one. Look deeper into Reverend Moon and things get messier and scarier ( look at the links above ). The particulars of Rev Moon would make a lot of Republicans puke, but Moon is so under the radar that few have heard of him.

There are so many shady money bags on the R side that none of them stand out from the crowd - Scaife, Coors, on and on - and they all benefit from that confusion.

I suggest we start using Rev Moon as shorthand for them all.

[punpirate]

1. The guy who seems to be watching...

... Moon and Moon operations most closely and consistently these days is John Gorenfeld:

http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/

It seems that wherever you find a new Bush faith-based program, or a well-funded religious right program, Moon, or Moon money, is lurking in the background.

[Nothing Without Hope]

3. Yes, John Gorenfeld is a very brave man and we should all thank him

Gorenfeld's site is a wonderful resource on all things Moon and it is arranged so that you can find Moon-related information on almost any topic you are concerned about.

I think it would be a good gesture of support if some DUers emailed John Gorenfeld to show appreciation and support.

[Alizaryn]

2. I really like this idea,

Make the the word "Moon" a talking point to be inserted in every conversation regarding Republicans.

[me b zola]

5. Start calling the cons "moonies"

Expose them for the fools that they are.:applause:

[Alizaryn]

8. Mooncons?

[w4rma]

15. Washington Times = Moonie Times (nt)

[me b zola]

4. Could we?

More like, WHY HAVEN'T WE YET?!!! :think:

Attach Moon to every theocratic ludicrous sound bite that comes out of the cons lying mouths!!!:applause:

[GeorgeBushytail]

6. If a lot of people like this idea - What's the next step?

There must be ways of bringing strong ideas to the attention of Dem movers and shakers.

I am an activist, but only at the local level.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

7. The irony is that ordinary fundies invariably see the Moonies as

a Very Bad Thing. The Unification Church is on their shit list of Dangerous Cults, along with Hare Krishna, Scientology, the Jehovah's Witnesses, and (giggle) Secular Humanism.

One of my most successful encounters with a fundamentalist came when I informed an acquaintance that the Left Behind books she gobbled up so eagerly were written by a man with strong connections with the Moonies.

Her eyes seemed to double in size, and I referred her to the websites that detail the connections.

We should be mentioning the Moonie entanglements at every turn.

Another good source for their various connections is

http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/m/moonies/front_groups.htm#businesses%20US

[Cell Whitman]

11. here's the link to the letter LaHaye dictated to go to Bo Hi Pak.

Pak was Moon's right hand man. In fact, no Bo Hi, No Moon. Pak was his advance man. He came here ten years before Moon came and set up shop. A few years ago Pak wasn't seen for a while after he was beaten by an African man who Moon claimed was possessed of Moon's dead son's spirit. (Moon's dead son kind of runs the spiritworld, btw.)

Moon let this fellow go from "church" to "church" beating the members. One member posted the story of actually standing up and saying this fellow couldn't beat his pregnant wife. The same man who protected his wife is still a member. What kind of syndrome would you call that?

Moon was said to have gotten a big kick out the beating stories...

here ya go, from John "Should have a Pulitzer" Gorenfeld's site on the beatings.

http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/05/violence.html

and here is the letter from LaHaye.

http://www.iapprovethismessiah.com/2004/04/left-behind-authors-fawning-letter-to.html

[Cell Whitman]

12. Pak's talk mentioning LaHaye's visiting Moon when he was in the slammer

Moon did time in Danbury. They caught him with tax documentation which was dated before the manufacturer of the paper it was written on. This is an excerpt from one of many speeches of the afore mentioned Bo Hi Pak:

Chapter 45 Mount Danbury
Belvedere Estate
Tarrytown, New York
February 3, 1985

... What Father has accomplished at Danbury is the restoration of Christianity and the unification of Christianity. Father brought Christianity into one with the Unification Church. Christians began to understand Father and accept Father and Father's dispensation.

One good example is Dr. Tim LaHaye's visit to Danbury. Dr. LaHaye is a very famous minister. On that day, it was snowing. He was coming from Washington, D.C., and his plane was an hour and a half late. It was the only flight that got out; everything else was canceled. So I met him at the airport and took him by car to Danbury, which normally takes an hour and a half. But that day it took three hours in the snow, and several times our car was dancing on the highway, very dangerous, so we really slowed down. Nobody else was on the road.

During the drive, Dr. LaHaye said, "It is incredible what our government did to Reverend Moon, to confine Reverend Moon in this kind of place." When we got to Danbury, he met Father, who was wearing humble prison clothes. He held Father's hands and the first words Dr. LaHaye spoke were, "Reverend Moon, I apologize on behalf of my government." Mother saw that Dr. LaHaye's eyes were red and he was crying. What a beautiful union, a beautiful union of brothers, like Esau and Jacob. Father and Dr. LaHaye were embracing. Then Father said, "No, Dr. LaHaye, you have nothing to apologize for. It must be God's will, and God's will brought us together. You know, because I am in Danbury, you came all the way from California to meet me here. If I were in East Garden, you would not come there to see me. Now you came here. So you see, God works in mysterious ways.

[NAO]

9. Priceless quote from Lyndon LaRouche concurs that Moon should be target

LaRouche: Moonies Are Target
Too Big To Be Missed
by Jeffrey Steinberg


During an Oct. 19 webcast with Democratic candidates, Lyndon LaRouche responded to a question about how to force a purge of the lunatic neo-conservative and Christian Zionist apparatus from the Bush Administration, and, thus, stop the pending U.S. imperial military mis-adventure against Iraq. LaRouche's response undoubtedly shocked most among the 300-plus participants in the Internet broadcast:

"I think, if you wanted to clean up the snake-pit," LaRouche began, "what you'd do is, you'd hit it on the flank.... The place to hit, is the Moonies. The most important, and most significant nut-factor, which is a serious threat to our political order, inside the United States, is the Moonies." Reverend Moon bought up Jerry Falwell, Richard Viguerie, the whole racist far right in the country, LaRouche said, and now Moon is buying up many African-Americans. "You pull that out, and I guarantee you, the biggest factor of loose, religious, and other kinds of nuts, in the United States, will scamper. And the rest of the mess will be cleaned up."

complete article here:

http://larouchepub.com/other/2002/2942moonie_targt.html

[Cell Whitman]

10. Here's the "Soros vs. Moon" comparison chart from Gorenfeld

I think Gorenfeld's blog and Moon reporting should receive a Pulitzer. Great idea to drop him a note. Maybe find out how to nominate someone for a Pulitzer and send in a bunch of requests.

Comparing Soros to Moon - I still have mixed feelings about making the comparison and I am the one who emailed and inspired JG to do this chart.
http://iapprovethismessiah.com/2003/11/handy-comparison-chart-from.html

I hit the ceiling about this very thing when I first heard them attack Soros. I have always found it astounding that liberals haven't, and STILL haven't thrown Moon in their faces. They didn't use it in the election, they are blind.

Moon's influence on the right exposes how totally uniformed republicans are as to what created them. It shows their hypocrisy like NOTHING else, imho... O'really, Rush, Coulter, Hannity, Savage, The Bushes, they should all go on FOX and bow down to their savior, their messiah, the one who made it happen for them, Moon. Without him the religious freaks and fascists don't control our nation - that is a sad fact.

My problem is, comparing Soros to Moon is a travesty of justice. Soros is a citizen just for starters. Much of Moon's money to finance the manipulation of our nation was swindled - targeting widows in Japan. By the lawyers in Japan's estimation over 8 billions was made running cons. (read about it in my blog)

I mean, I am torn about it but there is NO doubt that when the conservatives mention Soros in those nasty terms, Moon should be thrown in their faces in some form. Moon's goal is to subvert the constitution, always has been and he is doing it with his "theocratic political army"...the new right conservatives he financed and trained.

Moon said 30 years ago he was going to revive Christianity and bring them to power. He says it's part of his job as Messiah. Thing is, it is only "right" wing Christianity he has empowered, you getting the picture? You can read an outline of who, what, where, when and how this was done at my blog linked below. Do you see it? Christians in America are following Moon and they don't know it because he has done it through their soul selling, short sighted leadership.

Let's put it this way. Soros is said to have spent about $25 million to stop the theofascist train over the last couple years.

MOON HAS SPENT BILLIONS on the right. BILLIONS. He outspent Scaife and you don't hear a peep about it by anyone. Do you find that odd?? He funded, guided, molded them. The "new" Moon molded right is a cult and can't see the past, where they came from...they only see what they are told to see.

Which brings me to a bit of wonderment.

I posted this the other day and it sunk like a rock.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1725750

I don't know whether I posted it to the wrong forum, I just don't know how to write a headline, folks have get nauseous reading my run on sentences, or people have decided I am kook. But that article from Media Channel, though as it says is "circumstantial" evidence, has more documentation than your average Wayne Madsen article. People go nuts at those. I am not saying that because I was the source for most of the information either.(full disclosure at the bottom of the article)

Hey for that matter, please check out the documentation of my blog. It is just an outline but it explains how this is going down whether anyone wants to see it or not.

One of Moon's "priests" said a year or so ago, "We have the power now to determine the destiny of America."

I have been studying these folks for a few years, read hundreds of Moon's speeches and what seems like thousands of articles on the group. He means that statement. Moon has more to do with our nation's political situation that anyone. He had himself crowned because he knows believes he's won. That doesn't mean all these people are moonies, it means the "natural subjugation of the American government and population" has/is taking place....imho...we are going right and theocratic.

Check out the New York Channel article, what do you see?

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert356.shtml

I guess I am saying yes, use Moon but know him - wingnuts should know they WOULD NOT BE IN POWER without Moon. That is a fact, we would be dealing with Republicans and Democrats if Reagan and Bush 41 hadn't asked Moon to help them - and in so doing they helped Moon reach his goal of a more theocratic America. Moon played Bush and Reagan for chumps and snagged our nation in the process. That said, it is not a fair comparison - "Soros vs. Moon" - the right will have their cult think that it's an "even" trade which I would not doubt is part of there reason for demonizing Soros.

I think Karl Rove laughs his ass off everyday that liberals don't talk Moon. I think he is laughing his ass off at how stupid we are and this issue of Moon's influence is more important than effing issue debating points.

I am not sure very many realize how serious this is, it's part of huge national security problem for our nation.imo. If Bush would have gotten no votes in 2004, it wouldn't have changed the overall direction Moon has guided and paid to set us on...

and btw, he's doing this kind of stuff all over the world.

Have you downloaded the video FFWPU Introductory Video found here?

http://www.standforfamily.org/media/index.htm

Huge file(46mb) but all Americans would see it. The symbol on the podium which Bush, Ford and all stand behind is the symbol of the Unification Church after the name was changed to Family Federation for World Peace and Unification(FFWPU). You cans see Pat Boone serenading the conservatives savior at about 20 minutes in...







Ever have someone tell you that the Washington Times is "independent" of Moon's plans for the planet? Read the bottom post here...
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[Panda1]

18. Thanks, Cell....for all your investigations into Moon.

Great blog! Lovely pics.

You, Gorenfeld, Parry, Hassan and others have continued to pound the Moon drum.
Eventually, this will start to hit the mainstream consciousness.

We SERIOUSLY need folks like you to do all the research for us.
It's time consuming. It's time consuming to read it too...and digest. Moon ain't fer sissies. ;)

I applaud your dedication. I've learned a LOT from you over the past few years.

[Cell Whitman]

13. In 1989 U.S. News said the conservative movement was Moon-tied

have a bit of this at the blog.
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

No link to the article as I transcribed it. Note when the subject of how Moon is in the middle of the conservative movement - as this "conservative" movement was being molded - it was Reagan's 11th commandment providing Moon protection. I think Reagan's 11th, not to speak ill of a fellow Republican is the most evil empowering political tool ever devised. It helped Moon thrive...
________

quoting:

U.S News and World Report March 27, 1989

Rev. Moon's Rising Political Influence
His empire is spending big money trying to win favor with conservatives.

More tolerance. Through this method of recruiting, the church has established a network of affiliated organizations and connections in almost every conservative organization in Washington, including the Heritage Foundation, the largest of the conservative think tanks and an important source of government personnel during the Reagan administration. Although Heritage officials deny it, the foundation has dramatically changed its policy toward the Unification Church. In the early 80's the foundation, wary of the church's aims, prohibited staff or fellows from being associated with Unification Church organizations or taking money from the church or church-financed institutions.

As the Washington Times has become the voice of capital conservatives, the Heritage Foundation has become far more tolerant of church ties. The foundation accepts the participation of Lichenstein and other senior fellows in church-funded enterprises and allows its staff members to go to church conferences.

The Unification Church's newfound influence has occasioned intense debate among conservatives. One group of worried young conservatives meets regularly in private to compare notes about the problem. But little of the debate has surfaced in public forums. "Most people are afraid to address the issue because they don't want to publicize the extent of the church's involvement," says Amy Moritz of the Conservative National Center for Public Policy Research.

Because almost all conservative organizations in Washington have some ties to the church, conservatives also fear repercussions if they expose the church's role. That happened when one organization, the Capital Research Center, published a newsletter last November warning of the church's attempt to create a "centralized world theocracy." One of its board members, who was also on the board of the International Security Council, resigned in protest, and conservatives charging that the paper was creating discord on the right, besieged the center with angry calls. "We got a very, very strong reaction -- almost as if we were the enemy -- because we raised the issue," says CRC Chairman Willa Johnson, a former president of the Heritage Foundation. (U.S.News Mar. 27, 1989)

[truthisfreedom]

14. the rethuglican "shady bags"... scaife, coors, and moon...

i like shady bags. has a nice ring to it.

[kentuck]

16. The danger is that you turn Soros into Moon...

They are not the same.

[Cell Whitman]

17. perzactly

They aren't even close when you really compare them. As I was trying to say, the right would love to be able to shut down their cult's minds like they do with Clinton. Clinton has become a mind control tool for the cult of conservatism.

"Bush lied us into war."

"But, but, but, Bill Clinton lied about getting his wing wang doodled so we're even Steven."

Then the cultee just moves on, their mind doesn't have to think about it anymore, it doesn't exist. The new right has NO SENSE of proportion, none.

By exposing Moon - sans Soros - you will expose the theocratic agenda of the new right which most Americans do not understand nor believe is happening as it is. Moon is the one who made this possible. Their agenda is his. Sure others have helped and jumped on the wagon, many years after Moon did the much of the groundwork, but make no mistake, Moon is the straw that has stirred the theocratic drink in the Good old U.S. of A.

When I say he is their "savior" I am not kidding. He lead them out of the 40 year liberal wilderness and into theofascist land.

Expose Moon and the way his cult operates and people will see that the new right, the new republicans are a political cult. They operate in many ways JUST like the Moon group. If you have ever read the way moonies rationalize - make excuses for - do anything to protect the cult you will see what I mean. The mental operation, the tactics, the use of deceit is very similar. Of course so is their use of what former moonies call, "Heavenly deception"...that's the idea that anything you do is justified because you are trained to personally believe YOU are doing God's work.

[kodi]

19. Friend, what are you talking about? Moon is Jim Jones with money.

why not call them what they are, puppet masters.

[Willinois]

20. Why did we let Soros become a dirty word?

The left has a bad habit of not defending its own, like Soros and Michael Moore. We should never have let F911 be discredited the way it was.