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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:46 AM
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Do you think Clark would be returning to "Real Time" so much if he wasn't
still determined to give running for president another try in 2008?

PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE OH PLEASE

RUN WES RUN!!!!

I can't decide whether I have Wes or Belzer as my number 1 favorite all time "Real Time" panelist. But unfortunatly Belzer isn't running for any office.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:02 AM
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1. Maher probably asks Wes back a lot
because he is demo who is respected by conservatives as well. Love it when he's on, brings a great deal of common sense into the discussion.
Liked it when Wes hammered the bush whore on gays in military last night.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:44 AM
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5. Plus he was quite funny. He had some good lines.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:19 AM
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2. He also was strong on supporting the troops. I got the impression
he meant to actually join up, send tons of money, and stop harrassing congress people who are against the war. Am I correct on this?

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:41 AM
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4. Uh,.. NO
Edited on Sat Apr-16-05 09:45 AM by Tom Rinaldo
You might get that impression I suppose if you paid very little of no attention to everything that Clark has been saying for years and continues to say about the fallacy of injecting American forces directly into the region. He fought the Bush Administration about going into Iraq, and now he is fighting the Bush Administration about going into Syria and Iran.

Of course there is a fault line on the Left between those who think the U.S. never on Earth should have gone into Iraq, but since we did we now have to work with the Iraq government to find a sensible way out that doesn't just abandon the country to more chaos; vs those who feel that since we had no real business going there in the first place, we should basically pull out of there today.

But Clark is addressing a different fault line with his comments on Maher. It is the one reaching back to the Viet Nam war days when some anti war activists were spitting on some soldiers when they were getting off the boats and planes returning from Nam. The Right played off those mental images ceaselessly since then, and wove it into the mantra that Democrats are weak on Defense and National Security, that they dislike, disrespect, and even hate the military, that we don't support our young men and women in harm's way defending our Liberties yada yada yada.

There were two reasons why Bush kept hammering Kerry on his "I actually voted for that Bill before I voted against it" line. One was to portray Kerry as hopelessly indecisive. The other was to show Kerry as a man who cares so little about our young men and women in uniform that he wasn't even willing to pay for the supplies, and body armor, that they needed to protect their own lives while serving America in Iraq.

Clark has a very clear and constant refrain: He, and the Democratic Party, loves the men and women in our Armed Forces. They are the best trained and disciplined military in the World. They effectively follow through on orders given them by their Civilian command and do whatever they are asked to do by that Civilian command. Clark's quarrel is with the Civilian command, which repeatedly under Bush and the PNACers shows horrible lack of judgment and intent, and needlessly sends our military into harms way, often in situations that ultimately erode our National Security instead of enhancing it. It is the Democrats in Congress introducing legislation to take care of Veterans, and military families facing hardships, not the Republicans. We are the ones who support the men and women in our military and don't want to see them sacrificed as pawns to a ideological uncaring agenda pushed by Chicken Hawks.

One may or may not agree, but Clark is looking forward to the 2006 and 2008 Elections, and trying to help position Democrats to defang the obvious coming Republican attacks, so that we will prevail. That is what I saw Clark doing last night on Maher, but he was cut short and didn't get to close the circle on his larger points. I commented on that dynamic, and how Clark adjusted, on another thread. You may remember that the right wing guest actually injected Viet Nam into the conversation as a reason why those in the military "lean" Republican.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:41 PM
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7. Thanks for the explanation of what he was trying to get across.
Amazing how after 35 years the only thing anyone remembers about Vietnam is spitting on soldiers and Jane Fonda. Not the dead and wounded. Not the guys that were mentally maimed for life. Not the lies the government told us. Not the cheating and stealing and throwing away of tax payers money for - I am still waiting for the government to tell me why we were there. Maybe in another lifetime.

But what about all those protesters that got that war stopped? The hundred of thousands that marched on Washington - several times. If it weren't for the protesters I bet we would still be there. Which brings up another question - where are the protesters?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:59 PM
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11. You're Welcome
And I fully agree with you. I was one of those protesters. And I think a lot of us are here.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:49 AM
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6. Yes, he is very strong on supporting the troops
On the rest you are incorrect.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 09:32 AM
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3. I don't watch the MSM anymore, but from what I've heard he is
not ruling out another run for president. I feel like this statement, coming such a long time before the next election, is a strong indicator that he's going to run. And I say YAAAYYYY to that!!!

GO CLARK GO!!!! :dem:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 12:56 PM
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8. I heard that he spanked Bill Maher pretty hard after the show.
I don't know if Bill will want to go through something like that again.:spank:

I haven't watched it yet since I don't get HBO, but hoping it will be online soon.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:19 PM
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9. I owuld love to have been there, Crunchy!
Sounds like he and Bill really had a "talk"! LOL!

And, I hear Gert (of all people) gave Frum a talking-to. Sounds like it was a great evening!

TC
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 01:45 PM
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10. Where did you hear that?
Was it posted somewhere?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 03:12 PM
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12. It was posted at CCN...
a number of bloggers went and one posted a very nice summary of the entire evening.

http://m-s-in-los-angeles-ca.forclark.com/story/2005/4/16/1243/68119

It's long, but well worth the read!

TC
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 06:56 PM
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13. Appearance Clips...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:40 PM
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14. Way to go Wes!!!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 07:54 PM
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15. I love it!! I'm still downloading and watching, but gotta say
at the end of the one tagged "gay," after Clark smacked down From, the still image is perfect -- the General's looking at him, and he looks pained. hahaha!!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:54 PM
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16. Oh, that "Run, Wes, Run!!" brings back some GOOD memories!
He spoke in my hometown - Knoxville, TN - at the Truman Day Dinner four days before he announced and the WHOLE place erupted in "Run, Wes, Run!!" after his speech!

Little did I know, at the time, that the media would end up giving him the cold shoulder.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-05 08:57 PM
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17. Yes, I Do. Wes Likes Sharing & Reaching Out. I Am Not Convinced He
WANTS to run for POTUS.
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