If you could have any of the following as the '08 nominee--who?

[WI_DEM]

These people may or may not run in '08--but if you could magically determine who the '08 nominee was--who would you choose?

[BattyDem]

1. Boxer

I like a politician with balls ... so of course I'd choose her over the men! :P ;-)


(Sorry, I couldn't resist that one ... it's crude, but it's true.)


On edit: Ok ... so some of those guys do have what it takes, but Boxer has impressed the hell out of me in recent months. Seriously, I'd be proud to have her representing my country. :-)

[norml]

2. Tom Hanks

OK, maybe for Governor of California first. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1704181

[WI_DEM]

5. That would be a dream come true for Hanks to challenge Arnie

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[WI_DEM]

6. Are any of the Wellstone boys ever going to run for elective office?

[JI7]

7. look at it's other posts

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[BOSSHOG]

4. General Clark was my first choice in 2004

but, note to religious zealots and anticonstitutional lunatics, I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever he or she is - SWEAR TO GOD!

[NoPasaran]

8. Martin Sheen

[Ian David]

9. Barbara Boxer for President, Rev. Barry Lynn for VP

I can dream, can't I?

[Crunchy Frog]

11. And let the flamewars begin!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[WI_DEM]

12. so far so good

there doesn't need to be flames.

[Crunchy Frog]

15. Bets as to when the first flamer will post something?

Keep in mind what happened to the last (very recent) poll thread.

Well, maybe preemptively talking about them will keep them at bay. Naaaw, just kidding.

[Leilani]

13. I'm boycotting this & all Prez polls!

EOM

[Ian David]

14. There won't be any flamewars unless someone says "Sharpton"

All the choices above are at least rational.

:P

[1956]

16. KERRY HAS UNFINISHED BIZ

There are an awful lot of folks, myself included , who believe Kerry is still the best. Look, since he was the real winner,he really IS our prez, unfortunately there is a chimp in the way, thugs and the republican mafia. I truly believe the truth will come out! Let's be patient! Clint Curtis, etc. John Conyers, and so many others are not going to let up on this fraud story!
However, I believe Boxer is fantastic,Clark as well, maybe even Feingold-not Hilary-although I used to think she was alright, I sometimes wonder. Dems do NOT need to change their liberal messages!!!! They need better campaign managers, and need to listen to their gut feelings when it comes to SWIFT BOAT stuff, and tell the world what they think!!!

[MoonRiver]

34. What good is it if you win, but let cheaters take the prize?

I'll never trust Kerry to protect my vote again. Take that to the bank.

[FrenchieCat]

17. I'm abstaining in voting in this poll.....

cause I don't want to "have to" defend my vote, be accused of doing anything untoward, or be demeaned, discounted and/or insulted.

But by a voice vote, I will say "Wes Clark".

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Well, I'm not abstaining.

I voted for Clark. If anyone has a problem with that, let me know.

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. Me too. But I refuse to talk about it, lol. n/t

[kevsand]

32. Very nice ;-) n/t

[x_y_no]

19. I'm joining the boycott

Enough '08 polls, already!

[bobthedrummer]

21. Since news of the Feingold divorce he's taken a plunge here.

Kerry and Boxer are both doing fine. Clark support skews poll as usual.

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. Can I assume use of "skew" was neutral and not implying wrong doing?

I have already conceded numerous times that Clark has a much higher degree of support at DU than virtually anywhere else. That's all you are saying, right?

[bobthedrummer]

23. I use it in regards to statistics only-it is skewed by Clark support group

over representation, and I think you know that by now, Tom Rinaldo, since you acknowledge that fact too. That's all it means.

[Tom Rinaldo]

24. No hard feelings. What I acknowledge is

that a much higher percentage of DU members than is the norm for general public/Democratic circles are supportive of Wes Clark running for President. I acknowledge that quite a few active Clark supporters post at DU and make an ongoing effort to let people know about Clark's varied ongoing activities, among other things. I have said that much more information about Wes Clark is available at DU than at other places as a result

Some other Democrats have active support groups here also.

I do not think these polls are meaningful, but that is just my opinion. I do not start them for that reason. I prefer positive discussions about Democrats. For example, I like being able to learn more about Russ Feingold here at DU because of the efforts being made by those who know and like him to share information on him.

[Ian David]

25. I never paid attention to Clark in the last election. Sell him to me.

Is someone willing to offer a "Postcard-sized" list of reasons why I would vote for Clark?

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Why don't you drop by the Clark group?

I will give you a few leads here now, but any extended talk would probably work out better on a less general/neutral thread.

To most enjoyable way to learn about Clark would be this thread, which is a running list of favorite quotes by him; some in speeches, some ad lib. It runs the spectrum, is a good read, and will give you a sense of who he is and what he believes in:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=235&topic_id=3434&mesg_id=3434

This thread is a great collection of Clark related links to a host of information about and/or from him:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=235x6296

Here is Clark's current web site and it includes news, statements, and discussion: http://securingamerica.com/

This is Clark's old archived 2004 Campaign site with all of his positions on issues taken then still available, and more: http://www.clark04.com/index.html

But do drop by the Clark support group for a discussion about him if you want. The first two links above lead there.

[Ian David]

28. That was a long read, but I'm glad I took the time

Thanks for posting that!

OK, so I'd be happy with a Boxer/Clark or Clark/Boxer ticket.

Or maybe Clark and Boxer could just make babies together.

I think I would have loved to see Clark tell Bush during the debates, "Mr. President, you are a liar. You lied to the American people and you are lying to them now."

That would have been far more effective than John Kerry's, "The President is not being straight with the American people."

I think Clark would have-- and has-- called a liar a liar in language the average American can understand.

I kept kicking myself every time Kerry said Bush was "misleading" or "not being straight." I kept shouting, "just call him a LIAR!"

After what I just read, I like Clark better than Kerry or Dean.

I still think I like Barbara Boxer better, though.

Maybe we could resurrect the position of Surgeon General and give the job to Dr. Howard Dean.

[CarolNYC]

36. I'm glad you took the time to read it, Ian.

And I'm glad you liked what you read.

Clark isn't one to mince words. You know how I converted my Mom? Well, I didn't do it, Clark did it on his own...but I don't have cable and every time I was alerted to an upcoming cable Clark appearance, before he decided to get in the race and then while he was running, I'd call my Mom and she'd tape it for me and then give me the tape to watch next time I saw her.

I'd call her after an appearance and ask how she thought he did and she'd say "I'm worried about your guy"...I'd say "Why, did he look sick, tired, did he give a bad interview, did they ask him a question he couldn't answer, what?" And she'd say "I'm afraid they're going to come after him. (They meaning the Bush people.) He just says what he feels and he doesn't back down, even when the interviewer gives him a chance to back down, he doesn't back down. He just goes right at Bush and I'm afraid they're going to come after him." I think she was really worried for his physical safety.

She was a Gephardt supporter and I respected that and really didn't try to turn her into a Clark supporter but she really was impressed with his fearlessness in those TV appearances. I knew he had her hooked when she stopped calling him "your guy" and started calling him "Wes". :)

Did you watch any of the videos over at www.u-wes-a.com?

Some great stuff there.

[Tom Rinaldo]

27. P.S. I wouldn't at all mind saying more about my reasons to support him

I just don't want to hijack this thread. You can PM me, start an open ended question about Clark thread here (which will become a debate I am sure but debates are not always bad), or go to the Clark group as I originally suggested. I hope you follow up and let me know if I can be helpful.

[Ian David]

29. I created a new poll on Presidential/VP tickets based on this thread

Which of these presidential tickets would you vote for? (Poll)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1724394

[Crunchy Frog]

30. I voted Clark/Boxer on that one.

Just thought I'd let you know.:)

[OKNancy]

44. Watch RealTime tonight

on HBO. He'll be on with Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks

[Clarkie1]

46. Barbara Boxer will be on the show, too!

I'm so proud she's my senator! Great woman!

[Catchawave]

31. Last I checked....

Boxer, Clinton and Feingold don't even have a DU Group !

Why should I care about them?

I r/o Clark everytime, because I'm not sure his DU base is helping him here.

I adore Kucinich, and hope he gets to run that Dept of Peace soon!

That usually leaves Gore, Kerry and Edwards on most of these things....so I vote Edwards!

[Crunchy Frog]

45. Feingold has one now.

Check it out. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=332

[DrGonzoLives]

33. Mondale/Dukakis

We can win D.C.!

[Robeysays]

35. can't we just get a big blender and mush them all together...

but that could get quite messy, how about this clark for pres. boxer for VP.


on edit: accidentaly put much instead of mush.

[Turn CO Blue]

37. John Stewart, Martin Sheen, Michael Douglas (if he stays in

character in the role he played in The American President.

For reals? Eh, I'm still in the ABB crowd. I'll take any Lib'rul with a backbone and some class.

[imenja]

38. Boxer

[dalloway]

39. Boxer/Conyers!

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[nickshepDEM]

41. Other... Warner or Bayh n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. I like this: Boxer got 4 times as many votes as Clinton! n/t

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[autorank]

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