O.K., Who is this guy John P. Avalon - New York Sun columnist? Con-man?

[Up2Late]

Other than a guy that is pushing his new book in The Daily Show tonight.:shrug:

He calls himself a "moderate centerist."

[applegrove]

1. That is a totally made up word! They can't get away with propaganda

anymore, the kind where you repeat the message endlessly, so now they are using SYNONYMS to do the job.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Up2Late]

4. These guys think you can put "ist on any word , and it becomes a ...

...a new word. He seems like a Con-man to me.

here's a link: <http://www.moderateindependent.com/v3i6reviews.htm>

[applegrove]

8. Actually saw the interview later. He is a smooth talker. I think I have no

opinion on him anymore. He seemed to insult the right more than the left but for the life of me I cannot remember what he said.

Will sleep on it.

[Nite Owl]

2. I just caught a little of that interview.

I don't know who he was but his saying that the 'extremes' drive both parties was absolutely ridiculous. When was the last time the left had a say in Congress? Clinton was a centrist not a liberal, Dean is the head of the DNC and he is not a liberal. He was talking about Mc Cain? Didn't get what he was saying, there was a lot of talking going on, but Mc Cain is not a moderate.

[Up2Late]

5. This is what it says at Amazon .com

From the book review section:

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400050235/002-2286294-2425653?v=glance>

From Publishers Weekly
Avlon, a columnist for the New York Sun, a staffer in Clinton's 1996 election campaign and former chief speechwriter for Rudy Giuliani, argues that centrism, "the rising political force in modern American life," also offers the best chance for America to prosper. Part history, part political philosophy, part roadmap for centrists, this volume demonstrates Avlon's thesis by exploring political battlegrounds-from state primaries to presidential campaigns-in which a centrist message succeeded. To Avlon centrism is not a matter of compromise or reading polls; rather it's an antidote to the politics of divisiveness, providing principled opposition to political extremes. His description of Maine Republican senator Margaret Chase Smith's morally and politically courageous Senate speech rejecting McCarthyism four years before the Senate censured him embodies Avlon's view of centrism, and he uses that example to demonstrate the value of centrists like Smith to the body politic. Perhaps the most remarkable achievement he describes was that of Earl Warren, who in 1946 ran for governor of California in the Republican, Democratic and Progressive primaries-and won all three. Avlon's centrist tent is a large one: the political campaigns of presidents as diverse as Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson, JFK, Nixon and Clinton are chronicled to demonstrate the staying power and effectiveness of centrist politics. But his broad definition of centrism somewhat undercuts his thesis, and his failure to address the times when centrist politics may not have been appropriate-the New Deal era, for example-also leaves lingering questions. Still, Avlon's argument that centrism is good for America is appealing.
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

[Nite Owl]

7. What I don't understand is exactly

what centrism is these days. It just seems that the center has been moved to the right and most of those who label themselves as centrist are more like the right of old.

[Cell Whitman]

9. exactly

that's part of that game, constantly move right and rebrand or fall back a little and then move hard right again...

the number line is screwed up bigtime. The cult can't see it.

[Carolab]

11. Right. This guy reads like "DLC" to me.

OLD "new" Democrat. GIVE HIM THE HEAVE-HO.

[Cell Whitman]

3. I am old, PLEASE tell me I didn't see this. A TROLL on the Daily Show!!!

So, he has a book saying that the "independent" center needs to BRING BACK sanity to America. Oh, how this author beckoned for better times when the sane middle was back in charge. The independent free thinkers unencumbered with the baggage of partisanship. He had Stewart wiggling his hands in the air asking how can we get around the "crazies one the LEFT and right?" And the author says something like, -- Oh yes, they are nuts on the LEFT and right and WE INDEPENDENTS need to rise up and gain control.

Now catch the rerun or if you saw it tell me if I am wrong. My memory's not so good...

What my eyes saw...

During the entire interview in which they went over the HORRORS being set upon this great nation by the CRAZIES on the LEFT and right - things like CRAZIES sticking their noses in the Schavio case for one. Stewart mentioned the mercury in his orange juice being bad. Well, during the interview they talked about maybe 4-6 main things going wrong in America. Just awful things any level minded person would just hate.

Here's the deal--- The bad things they mentioned - ALL OF THEM WERE REPUBLICAN THEOCRATIC FASCIST BULLDROPPINGS.

EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Did I miss something???

Now, what does the author of this book think is the ideal way to bring the country back to the center, to solve this problem and save the nation???

Why elect good people like JOHN McCAIN and RUDY GULLIANI.

He said McCain's name like three times and slipped in Rudy once in the short interview as the kinds of people we need to get behind.

Stewart just nodded and smiled.

[AlGore-08.com]

13. You saw it - - he was pimpin' for the GOP and Stewart was cheering him on

Earlier this week Stewart was gushing over Bob Dole...

[high density]

14. A Troll-- lol, exactly

That's a perfect term for this guy. The fact that John McCain and Rudy Guilliani were the "centrists" he was aiming for makes it clear that there's no such thing as centrism in modern America. (Well, it probably does exist somewhere, but as Jon Stewart noted, nobody in the center cares enough about anything to make a difference.)

I wish Jon would have asked Avlon what far fringe left people are supposedly controlling the Democratic party. Howard Dean seems to be a pretty mainstream guy, as does Harry Reid. I won't even mention the DLC. And since the Democrats aren't controlling much of anything in the federal government right now, it seems like the far right Republican party is the current beast that any "centrist" would want to fight. In the last election it seems the "moderate majority" didn't exist, or this group of voters were so stupid that they decided to cast their vote for more right wing extremism.

[bilgewaterbill]

6. Moderate centrist?

Is that like extra medium?

[Carolab]

10. Read his site.

http://www.independentnation.org/johnpavlon.htm

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. The New York Sun is so pathetic it makes the Post look like legit news!

Pure neocon bullshit.