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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:06 PM
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Dr. D. James Kennedy either isn't as honest or smart as Sun Myung Moon
Dr. D. James Kennedy and Sun Myung Moon are both bigtime theocrats who believe that the Separation of Church and State is down right evil. Where they differ is when it comes to admitting what it is they are creating - what their visions mean to our democratic institutions. (I know we are a republic.) Moon is either smarter or much more honest than Kennedy for he admits where his efforts will take our nation and the world. Moon wants theocracy, with a heavy dose of fascism, I might add....

Here's an excerpt from the 1978 congressional investigation of Moon on what he wants and how he plays the system:

In many public statements and in applications for tax-exempt status, the goals of the Moon movement are said to be religious. Actions which appeared to be clearly political or economic to outsiders were explained as necessary means to achieve religious goals. The apparent contradictions in many of the activities of the Moon Organization are explained by Moon's overriding religious goal--to establish a worldwide "theocracy," that is, a world order which would abolish separation of church and state and be governed by the immediate direction of God.

As Moon explained to his followers: … In the Medieval Ages, they had to separate from the cities--statesmanship from the religious field--because people were corrupted at that time. But when it comes to our age, we must have an automatic theocracy to rule the world. So, we cannot separate the political field from the religious…Separation between religion and politics is what Satan likes most.
(You can find the quotes in a 43 page excerpt pdf file of the United States House of Representatives. Investigation of Korean-American Relations, Report of the Subcommittee on International Relations - known as the Fraser Report - by scrolling: down here: )

Now we have this from Bill Berkowitz on James Kennedy's efforts and goals:
Crusader for a Christian Nation
snip...

The Evangelism Explosion is one of Kennedy's primary youth outreach and indoctrination operations, said Clarkson.

”An EEI event I attended was full of loud Christian rock music as a warm up to a talk by David Barton (the head of WallBuilders), whose talk twists American history to make kids believe that the U.S. was founded as a 'Christian nation',” he said.

”Kennedy believes this too, and has sermonised on the subject. It is this false, historical revisionism that is central to the ideology of the Christian right -- it's a critical part of their justification to restore an idea that never was,” added Clarkson.

In ”The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail: The Attack On Christianity And What You Need To Know To Combat It”, Kennedy calls the wall of separation between church and state a 'great deception (that) has been used to destroy much of the religious freedom and liberty this country has enjoyed since its inception'.”

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Kennedy will tell you he supports the constitution and is a patriot. He is blind. Moon, who's the head of what I believe to be the most deceptive organization in history, is at least honest enough to say that he isn't a fan of "American style" democracy. Kennedy plays games.

From Robert Parry: By the mid-1980s, Moon’s Unification Church had carved out a niche as an acceptable part of the American right. In one speech to his followers, Moon boasted that “without knowing it, even President Reagan is being guided by Father (Moon).”Yet, Moon also made clear that his longer-range goal was the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and America’s democratic form of government. “History will make the position of Reverend Moon clear, and his enemies, the American population and government will bow down to him .” Moon said, speaking of himself in the third person. “That is Father’s tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population.” (and Parry Parry in “Dark Side of Rev. Moon: Buying the Right” - the "natural subjugation" quote also appears in U.S. News & World Report - March 27, 1989 )

Further quoting Moon from the Fraser report linked above:

Anti-communism is one key reason for Moon's espousal of a worldwide theocracy and rejection of some of the most fundamental tenets of American democracy. Moon finds "American-style democracy" to be "a good nursery for the growth of Communism.''

Moon knows what he's doing and if you read his speeches he will tell you what it is. He says point blank it is his job as "savior" to clean up the unfinished job Jesus did. As part of that, his organization must rejuvenate Christianity to take power in America. That is what he did with billions of dollars and front groups.

Further quoting Berkowitz: Kennedy has been deeply embedded in Christian right politics. He was a member of the first board of directors of the Rev. Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority, and served on the initial executive board of the Coalition for Religious Freedom (CRF).

The CRF was set up by Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church when Rev. Moon was in prison in 1984. According to Sara Diamond's book ”Spiritual Warfare: The Politics of the Christian Right”, CRF ”was financed primarily by the Unification Church, which gave an initial donation of 500,000 (dollars).”

CRF's executive board included such religious right heavyweights as Jerry Falwell, James Robison, Rex Humbard, Jimmy Swaggart, Kennedy and Tim LaHaye, the co-author of the wildly popular ”Left Behind” series of apocalyptic novels


You see Moon wants a worldwide theocratic government so he needs the USA to be more theocratic for his "vision" to come to fruition. (he's working on adding a theocratic body to the UN now - they are laughing, he isn't - long story)

NOW, there are a lot of people financing the right. Yes, NOW there are many info sources the right can send their cult to be fed more bulldroppings. But remember this wasn't always the case. The Moral Majority was on the skids when Moon stepped in and created the American Freedom Coalition to bring together not Christians, but RIGHT WING Christians for political power. The Washington Times gave them backbone when they had none. Moon has outspent Scaife or any of them.

Moon is the straw that stirred the theocratic fascist drink which we all see filling our glasses today. There was reason we are a theocratic fascist state in diapers. EVERYTHING Moon touches is for the purpose of putting his group in charge of the direction of world events, that is all he does.

Take it from Paul Wyerich:

"In politics,"observed leading New Right activist and tactician Paul Weyrich,"there is very little money given without something being asked in return."

Moon says things like that Reagan 'without knowing it' was following him. He means it and is correct. Moon brags that he used the Washington Times and other “activities” to influence the United States, he knows he has to have America heading where he wants or he can't gig the world.

I influenced America through the Washington Times and so many different activities. Do you want Father in America. (YES !! The ministers responded)…The Last Days are coming to America. Be careful. Those that oppose Rev. Moon will perish. Since I came here, I didn’t get anything from America. (Sun Myung Moon, Sun Myung Moon September 13, 2002 “The Last Days Are Coming to America.” An address by Moon given at East Garden to clergy planning the Sept. 14 “blessing.”)

Whether they know it or not, the FACT is the Christian right in America is following Moon's lead. He is their savior and THEY are his theocratic political army.


Read and outline of who, what, where, when and how our nation took a "turn" here:
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:12 PM
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1. His outfits are not nearly as cool as Moon's, either.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 11:45 AM
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12. hehe check out this outfit...
I knew I had this photo somewhere...as you know and is said in a post below - having people laugh at him helps him do his "thing" - people in the USA haven't taken him seriously while he is laughing and manipulating us...

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:19 PM
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2. Too many think this guy is harmless. When ONE person has financed most
of the entire evangelical fundamentalist movement, and with so much power now in their hands, he is anything BUT a harmless cult leader.

The focker controls almost half this nation's fishing industry, and noone in the media wants to examine that further?

The focker gets "crowned" in a Senate building and noone in the media wants to examine that further?
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:40 PM
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3. I think that is going to change in the near future -
I believe the rest of this year many millions will begin to understand. I believe it is going to bubble up this year. Moon is old and wants attention. He got po'd at his media for not letting people know how great he is the other day....

Once people start talking - it will open the floodgates...most American haven't a clue enough to ask and many that do, don't get it. imho. Few pay attention to that fact that he is all over the world doing this...
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:34 PM
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5. Most people think of him as a harmless nut throwback to the '70's
When people think of MOON, they think of Flower children in the airports, or of parents sending in crack teams to kidnap and "deprogram" their kids from the cult's brainwashing, etc. They think of it as a weirdness that came in the late 60's and went away in the 70's.

Very few people have ANY idea whatsoever that Moon is still around and wielding a mighty empire and is financially backing both the evangelical movement AND the political right.

Right now I am reading Robert Parry's "Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq" and it has EXTENSIVE documentation of the MOON connecting to the Christian Evangelicals, the Republican Party, the Conservative Movement, and the Conservative Infrastructure/Corporate Media.

I really do hope that this becomes more common knowledge, but it's not going to happen thru the corporate media, because MOON owns that.
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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:17 PM
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6. You got it...everyone said to themselves in the 70s
"I'll never fall for that bs, my neighbors will never fall for it and I will NEVER vote for a theocracy."

So they ignored Fraser and laughed at Moon.

I know my post has allot of old quotes, trying to judge where people are.

46MB file but has everyone who can downloaded the video on the bottom here???

http://www.standforfamily.org/media/index.htm

I haven't read Parry's latest. Hero of mine. I do have a difference of opinion with him on Moon's money. He seems to downplay the money "swindled" from the widows in Japan. How does he deal with it in his book? I mean, I fully agree that Moon has shady money and he has many ways to make it. But if you believe the lawyers in Japan, which I do, that would mean Moon made in excess of 8 billion swindling in Japan. I have seen estimates that say he used to have 20,000 people "fundraising" ...it wasn't flower sales in Japan. He was taking widows for hundreds of thousands and funding his planet manipulations with it.

Got a guess as to how much it would have taken him?
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:31 PM
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7. I am downloading those files at standforfamily.org + Parry's take on Moon
I'm sort of skimming Parry haphazardly right now.

He stresses how Moon has made semi-covert financial contributions to underwrite the Religions Right and the Conservative Infrastructure. He shows MOON links to GHW Bush and Falwell. He shows how Moon has exercised his muscle in many countries.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:59 AM
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8. Thanks for reading up on this, NAO. The more voices out there spreading
the truth, the better. Parry is always a GREAT source to get started on who exactly Moon is and with who he is aligned.
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 07:52 PM
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4. One Sunday morning...
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 07:53 PM by stpalm
One day I was watching this crazy church show. It looked like any regular church for the first 10 minutes. But then the priest started going on a tangent about gays and the show switched to "documentary" forum and had stuff about the ALCU and prayer in school. The ridiculousness was amusing to me.

I started watching the Coral Ridge hour with D. James Kennedy every week. But then they took it off the air! Good for the country but bad for my Sunday morning entertainment.

Thankfully, I found the delightful Jack VanImpy. He's crazy!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:09 PM
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9. Oh, Van Impe is always good for a laugh.
I was channel surfing and caught where he maintains that C-O-M-P-U-T-E-R = 666. Oddly enough, he has a website. I guess he's not that worried.
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 02:46 PM
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10. ah, van impe
I had it spelled wrong. yeah, he is a hoot- him and his wacky wife.

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Cell Whitman Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:36 PM
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11. Are not he and Rexella advising the Bush administration?
Found this quote below. But I was thinking this was kind of a big deal for a couple seconds a while a back. You know, a big deal for about all the time the liberal echo chamber can work up an echo? About five seconds.

I read once that a duck's quack will not echo. They don't know why but it won't. I think the left's news echo chamber has the voice of duck.

http://www.yopyop.com/citizens/comments.php?id=200_0_1_0_C
"...I was contacted a few weeks ago by the Office of Public Liaison for the White House and by the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to make an outline. And I’ve spent hours preparing it. I will release this information to the public in September, but it’s in his hands."
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