Clinton and Bushes joined at the hip lately! Anyone else pissed off?

[Catamount]

I can't remember when I last saw my favorite Prez without either one of them?
What is going on?
I realize that it looks good when America seems to be united, but how can Bill stand it?
Please clue me in if anyone can!

[DebJ]

1. yeah I felt the same way with the Pope delegation. My husband

says all the reptiles are on the same side; democracy is a game for fools.

[movonne]

4. Yes, I loved Clinton, but beginning not to care about him or Hillary.

[wyldwolf]

2. no, why should I be?

There comes a time when presidents have to be statesmen and represent their country, NOT their party.

Tsunami relief and the pope's funeral are two examples.

[cyberpj]

5. BULL-oney. Clinton is groveling lately. eom.

[wyldwolf]

9. yeah, right.

In your dreams.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Are you serious?

The big dog is "groveling" by going to help Tsunami victims and representing the left at the popes funeral? Give me a break.

[cyberpj]

46. Yes. The big dog IS groveling - everything he's doing now

is at Bush's request - or at Bush's side. I believe it started because he wanted the head of UN - which he'll never get - but now I think he's bending over backwards to look bi-partisan to help his wife -- who has also sold out. Just check her votes and speeches lately.

Sorry - But we're all allowed our own thoughts.

[Boo Boo]

132. Yeah, if there is an agenda behind this

it is to help Hilary move toward the "middle." IMO, Bush has alienated centrist Republicans, so I'm not sure how much this would actually help her anyway. The same folks that couldn't swallow voting for Kerry will be even less likely to vote for Hilary.

I agree that they (Bill and Hill) are both working overtime to position her for a run at the Presidency. My gut tells me the best she can hope for is a shot in the VP sweepstakes.

I'm rooting for Clark/Boxer '08 myself!

OTOH, these Poppy/Clinton escapades could be all Bush-admin media fun. Both his dad and Big Dog have strong reputations as multilateralists. Getting them out there together sends a message of sorts, I suppose. If nothing else it takes the focus off Junior and Neocons to some degree.

It'd be pretty tough for Bill to say no to this kind of thing, and why would he? It's a can't-lose sort of situation for him.

[Catamount]

13. While I see your point, I think that at this time in America....

all this unity between former and present leaders lends too much legitimacy to *'s illegal reign!

[wyldwolf]

17. "all this unity"

I don't see "all this unity."

I see two examples of a very popular Democratic ex-president representing his country on the world stage.

[Catamount]

20. The unity is implied by being seen together!

[wyldwolf]

21. representing his country on a world stage

[fooj]

41. Exactly-A very POPULAR ex-president being used for PR photo-ops!

Think back...when is the last time you saw him ANYWHERE without Shrub and Co.? A true "statesman" would have insisted that another ex-president, Jimmy Carter (Nobel Peace Prize recipient) NOT BE REPLACED WITH THE LIKES OF ANDREW CARD as American representation at the Pope's funeral! I am FULL ON EMBARRASSED!!!!!:blush: Who the hell is Andrew Card? What shameless hypocrites they are!
IMO, Shrub and Co. have something on Clinton- it's the only thing that makes any sense!

Peace!

[FreedomAngel82]

44. Isn't Card an SS guy??

I remember hearing he was the guy in F911 who came and told Bush about WTC.

[wyldwolf]

50. cynical

When was the last time two world-changing events happened where the country needed to be represented?

But to answer your question...

March 31, 2005

ARLINGTON, Va. – Three weeks at home was apparently enough rest for former President Clinton, who stepped back into the public arena Thursday night with a call for more action to fight AIDS. He also couldn't resist a few joking jabs at Republicans.

"I got all juked-up at home," said Clinton, looking energized and excited to be back in the spotlight, as he was honored by the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases for his post-presidency work fighting the spread of HIV/AIDS.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20050331-1943-clinton-award.html

I also suspect he was without the Bushes during his two stays in the hospital.

Ya think??

IMO, Shrub and Co. have something on Clinton- it's the only thing that makes any sense! :rofl:

[fooj]

82. I have no problem with your ridicule...

You call it "statesmanship"...I call it BULLSHIT! All the way around...

:think:

[wyldwolf]

87. I have a suggestion then...

Red-define statesmanship into something narrower.

[MollyStark]

68. I think yesterday someone called him their boo insurance

That was funny. The person said that as long s Clinton was standing next to them no one would boo.

[radfringe]

122. a "theory"

bush* is in trouble -- his political capital account is overdrawn, and it looks like some GOPers have lowered their intake or stopped drinking the kook-aid all together.

so here's my theory about bush* and Clinton photo-ops:

bush* needs more support - so what better way than to give the impression he's buddy-buddy with Clinton. Never mind the fact that everything that has gone wrong under bush* was blamed on Clinton.

we also know that Hillary's name has been circulated as a possible nominee for president. We also know that the reich-wingers are rabid about this and foaming at the mouth for a chance to bash her.

but how much bashing can they do when bush* is buddy-buddy with the Big Dog?

sooooooooo--these photos ops may serve too purposes -- bush* gets to show he's attempting to be an uniter and the rabid-reich attacks on Hillary may be softened...

[Catamount]

123. There's much to what you say, but after watching the pope's funeral last

night, I noticed that Bill looked really stressed out, and I'm sure he should be resting more after his latest surgery.
I didn't see him sit in crowd with the others, but I didn't stay up all night.
First the trip after the Tsunami and now this, I hope he takes some time off to recover fully.

[dhinojosa]

105. I agree. I am not all into this Bush - Clinton fear.

It doesn't help anything

[cyberpj]

3. YES! Demonstrates how any and all gravitate to the power players.

And reminds me that believing there's any difference between the major party players now is naive.

[Totally Committed]

6. I am...

I think they had a diode implanted behind Bill's ear during his heart surgery...

It's the only reason I can think of, really.

TC

[Democrats_win]

7. Someone should whisper in his ear: They are the FUCKING ENEMY

If I were Clinton, I'd spit in bush's ugly face and beat the shit out of the wimp.

[Catamount]

14. Absolutely, after everything they did to him right from the beginning!

[SaveAmerica]

8. They just showed them sitting to the side of the pope, it didn't look

like he was comfortable to be with them, he kept his distance as they walked around. I was just thinking why he didn't give up his seat for Carter, considering Carter's history with the Pope. It still comes down to Bush asking Rice to go and not Carter, that's just childish.

[MollyStark]

29. Condi Rice and ANDREW CARD

how is that for beyond rude?

[fooj]

42. It's unforgivable!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[montanacowboy]

10. Pitiful

I can no longer stand either one of the Clintons - power loves power and power begats power - they don't give a shit about democracy or the people of the US - they are worried about their power and their money - they make me sick, the whole freaking bunch of them.

[TheDebbieDee]

11. I think there's a more desperate reason......

I think the BFEE is holding The Big Dog as hostage of some sort...maybe to guarantee that we'll let their disgraceful a$$e$ back in the country. (jk)
:tinfoilhat:

[Catamount]

16. LOL! You could be right!

[Catamount]

22. Are they all on AF1 together?

Perhaps it's safer to fly with BiLL!:)

[paineinthearse]

60. Yes, but this time Bubba is not giving up the bed to sleep on the floor.

[ImpeachTheChimp]

12. I have no idea how he can take it...

Being surrounded by moralist holier-than-thous.

[zippy890]

88. Maybe he's spying for Hillary

Bill owes his wife after his escapades, maybe he's trying to infiltrate BFEE, to pick up anything that might help Hillary's campaign.

Otherwise I can't make sense of his hanging around those assholes.

[NYCGirl]

15. It has absolutely nothing to do with how the Clintons and the Bushes feel

about each other. It's about being current and former Presidents. That's all. Period.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

18. How does former President Carter figure into that criterion?

I doubt the moral standards of the Big Dog these days although I wish he were still president.

[flpoljunkie]

23. Dubya should have put Carter first on the list, and Clinton ought to have

deferred to Carter. I see no reason for George H. W. Bush to go--let alone Condi.

[FreedomAngel82]

45. If that is true

then why didn't they let President Carter come along? Why Condi Rice and Andy Card over a FORMER PRESIDENT? I don't buy that at all.

[NYCGirl]

90. Presidents and former Presidents have been known to be rude. NT

[Last Lemming]

19. Bush and Bill's relationship seemed to

have metamorphized after Bill's cardiac surgury

[Totally Committed]

24. Like I said earlier...

it's the diode they had implanted behind his ear during the surgery. Because, if that diode doesn't exist, Bill and Bush's Excellent Adventures together lately are really sickening to me.

TC

[melissinha]

25. Carter watned to go... denied

FreeStateDemocrat.... hope this is an answer to your question, Carter wanted to be part of the US delegation but was told there were limits to amount of people to bring so Dubya took Laura, Condasleeza, DaddyO and Clinton. I think it was a big spit in the face leave Laura or Condeleeza at home... Carter was more of a Christian than the whole lot and had a good relationship with the Pope.

[Totally Committed]

28. It is a disgrace.

Carter should have been the first to go.

TC

[MollyStark]

32. Don't forget Andrew Card. He went too

see the picture in this thread,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1708985#1709002

[lenidog]

79. There is a certain decorum that must be followed

When you go to sate funerals and this is exactly what it is it is expected for the wife of the sitting head of state to attend. Condi is there because for better or worse she is the Secretary of State and everyone is there. I just saw a post that the President of Taiwan is coming, I know that Fidel is also coming along with the President of Iran. Many times after such events are over heads of states and or their foreign ministers will get together for quick little unoffical meetings. So you would want the Secretary of State to be there even if its just for the chance to personally meet so many heads of state or her counterparts all at once.

[tritsofme]

26. Bush and Clinton will have 20-40 years together as ex-presidents

they will need to have some sort of relationship with eachother.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

27. There is ONE PARTY above the local level. The Power Party.

I keep trying to tell DU-ers that the power of the US gov't and Pentagon has nothing to do with Dem vs Repub or Red vs Blue. That arena is for public theater and domestic issues of 'less importance.'

After JFK, RKF, MLK, Wallace, Reagan were all shot AND planes kept going down with whistle-blowers on board, folks got the message: You will comply with the Secret Team that runs the US government. Period.

Research the Arkansas Mena Airport that the Bush/Nazi/CIA cabal was operating out of in the 1970s and 1980s doing its weapons and drug running to Cental and South America and that will tell you why Clinton was picked by the Council on Foreign Relations when Poppy couldn't pass as a popular figure head anymore.

Our next likely Dem candidate also has Arkansas/Clinton ties.

But Wes Clark might be too independent to make it to the Oval Office.
The secret power brokers prefer damaged goods which can be controlled.
Time will tell.

[Totally Committed]

34. Quote:

Early in the campaign, Kennedy endorsed Senator John Kerry for President, but last month he expressed disappointment in Kerry's campaign and in the Democratic Party.

"The Republicans are 95 percent corrupt and the Democrats are 75 percent corrupt," Kennedy. "They are accepting money from the same corporations. And of course, that is going to corrupt you."

-- Robert Kennedy, Jr.
"Fascist America"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7804.htm

TC

[Catamount]

48. Thank you......I sure am learning stuff today!

:)

[Meldread]

30. The answer is simple: Clinton is a sell out.

He'd sell the entire party for his own personal gain without a second thought. I don't think this is an example of that (this is just trying to put on a happy face for the world stage), but his actions during and after his presidency prove that he's willing to sell Democratic Values for votes. Gay people were the first ones sent up the river without a paddle.

[Malva Zebrina]

31. Clinton could have chosen to take an independant stand

and he chose not to. He is old hat,a once powerful man, a master politician that is now "old", even though he is seen as a saint by some who just cannot let go of wishful thinking.

For what reason has he pursued this tack? He has been silent so far, for the past five years, on the atrocities committed by Bush against the world, and indeed, against his own people. We have heard NOTHING from him at all to this very day and yet we cling to him as if he were a saviour and fail to see that he is not.

For what reason has Clinton remained silent on the condition of this country? He has not reason to be silent at all, except for the old tradition that a past president does not criticize a new president. He surely with his intellect knows that to be old hat by now.

He is a powerful voice, yet has slunk into being a wimp and it is the "tradition" that former presidents do not enter into current policies of the newly elected president. That sucks if that is the excuse,

I think that at this point, Clinton is being overated and is being too much adored by those who wish we were in a better time. He will NOT save us.

If he did indeed, have that much loyalty,or committment to his country, he would not have joined at the hip with Poppy and with George and to tell the truth, I see his wife doing the same.

I cannot say why he is doing it except that he is not aware of the angst that is going on in this country since Bush took hold, or maybe he is and just does not care.

[FreedomAngel82]

47. I think he knows

He probably knows about everything. Why isn't he speaking out? I don't know. It's really sad though to me since Clinton was a great president and I was very lucky to grow up during his years and I thank God for that all the time. I'm sure it's hell growing up during Bush's both terms. :crazy: I do wish Clinton would stand up to them but I now know it's a hopeless dream which really makes me sad. :( When I was watching the Clinton library special on CSPAN's website and in his speech he asked if he was the only one who liked both Bush and Kerry. I couldn't believe that. I was like "duh!" and wanted to bang my head into the wall. How could he even stand to be near Bush? He's a spoild brat and a giggling murder! :banghead:

[Catamount]

53. I never saw Bill as a saviour, but when he was in power the world was a

more optimistic place. Poopy was in power when I began living here and I cared nothing about politics in this country until Bill became pres, because above anything else he seemed like a real human being,in a sea of bland faces.
There are now many things that I could fault him for, but only as a person, which is not my job. As a prez, Bill did his job and in a way I can see how his actions now continue that trend, like I said in my first post.
But I don't like it, I want change, disclosure of a corrupt administration and most of all a new liberal, democratic America, like it seemed to exsist in Bill's days.

[Catamount]

33. I wrote this really long post, when DU slowed down to a crawl, did this

happen to anyone else? It happened around 2pm.

[LdyGuique]

35. I truly don't understand the upset

First of all, any goodwill press that Bill gets will help Hillary in her re-election campaign in NY for the Senate.

Two, what's the entire purpose of democracy if we can't periodically align ourselves like adults and "play nice" in public for an event bigger than the U.S.? I just wish Jimmy Carter were there, too.

Actually, I think it's gracious on Bush's part to include both his father and Clinton, rather than just his administration folk. Of course it's political; however, that is one of the genteel side of politics -- a bi-partisan trip.

I don't want the world to hate the U.S., just because we currently have Bushco. Administrations come and go, that's why we have elections. The U.S. remains.

[Disturbed]

37. Clintons have been chummy with the Bush Crime Family

for a few years now. I feel that the Clintons are about being the power elite and don't give a damn about the Middle Class, Working Poor and the Poor in Amerika. After Bill Clinton's defeat as Gov. they decided to play whatever game they had to in order to gain power. They are top notch hustlers.

[FreedomAngel82]

49. Gracious?

The only reason he invited Poppy was because it was his father. The only reason why he invited Clinton was for raitings. Oh and the world already hates us. They've hated us since the truth was known about all the war lies.

[Pepperbelly]

38. This is so fucking stupid ...

he's going to the Pope's funderal representing the USA. Good. I'd far rather have him than the Bushes. And he raised money for tsunami relief. How fucking AWFUL is he to join with the BFEE in helping those people?

What was he thinking?

:sarcasm:

[Catamount]

66. I just don't like seeing them together.....sorry!

[susu369]

39. Clinton has gone to the dark side

I fear the BFEE have sunk their evil claws into him - not a pretty picture.

[PeaceProgProsp]

40. Is it Clinton's fault Bush snubbed Carter?

[FreedomAngel82]

43. Yes

I wonder how can Clinton stand being around a giggling murder? I'll never understand it. I remember watching something on CSPAN and Clinton was on and he said he wondered if he was the only one who liked both Kerry and Clinton. It might've been at his library thing. When I heard him say that I was like "duh!" Of course Clinton is the nice guy and is friendly to everyone so it does make sense why he is nice to Bush and he probably knows how divided we are. Anything to help I guess he thinks.
I'm just glad we don't see Kerry around him (Bush) very much.

[Catamount]

80. Yes I'm glad Kerry keeps his distance from *, and does his work like the

prez should! He is my prez now, regardless.

[peace frog]

51. Uh-huh...

I've been disappointed in both Clintons for some time now... these joined-at-the-hip, shit-eatin'-grin photo ops have pushed me over the edge. :thumbsdown:

[carolinayellowdog]

52. Bush threats and promises to Clintons

Hey,

I posted this 2-3 years ago and was horrified by the reaction from DUers in furious denial. But here goes again. David Talbot, in Salon.com, described a conversation with Hillary in which she reiterated a point made by Bill in a book (Maraniss, maybe?). In 1991, Bush I sent a message to Clinton saying that "we see you as the only Democratic candidate who threatens us in 1992; wait until 1996 and we'll make sure you win then, but challenge us in 1992 and WE WILL DESTROY YOU." The Clintons both said that Monicagate fullfilled the threat, IIRC.

The Bush gang has established its credibility in the "we can make you, we can break you" department. The Clintons' behavior must be understood in light of their having been both threatened and bribed by the Bushes.

CYD

[Catamount]

95. They're must be something to what you think, and it might just explain a

few other questions we all had/have even now.....like why did certain people concede so very soon!
:tinfoilhat:

[cquik18]

127. The Clintons? Being THREATENED!?

BWAHAHAHA!!! Big Dog don't get THREATENED-he MAKES the threats! And he makes GOOD on them! Ask the two guys who were to be Speaker of the House after Gingrich!

[cquik18]

54. Messed up as it is with Clinton going with Bush to Rome..

..remember that Bill Clinton is a VERY savvy politician who knows how to play the game better than Bush EVER could...even Karl Rove knows not to tangle with him. For all we know, Bush may have asked him to go along, if only to soften the jeers that he's likely getting while over there in 'Yurp.

Can you imagine the consternation Bush is probably feeling knowing that after five years out of office, his predecessor is STILL beloved and popular over there by the Europeans, why they burn effigies of the current Prez? :banghead:

You think Big Dog isn't laughing his butt off over this behind closed doors at every chance? :rofl:

Even Nixon went to China by himself, LOL!

[Catamount]

55. I like your explanation, hopefully you're right!

:bounce:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

109. Clinton is Bush**s new Colin Powell. Human credential for PR only.

"Can't we all pretend to get along?" Rodney King reads from his script as the paramilitary units don their body armor.

Resistance eats into the profits and PR is the cheapest way to reduce friction. Wave a flag. Cry for the Pope. Talk of diplomacy before bombing.

Clinton no doubt rationalizes that he can try to repair the image of the US as the new Fourth Reich by keeping some doors open.

But instead he continues to cover for the FACT that the US power elite loved Hitler's destruction of Europe and reigned Hitler in only when he took too much of the global pie.

Wesley Clark will serve the same purpose, restore the myth of American National Virtue by wagging his finger at the neo-cons for the incompetence of getting caught being Nazis and failing to cover up the many millions killed by the US government and its 100 years of continuous economic policies of war and eugenics.

[cquik18]

125. You know.....

there are those in our ranks who are anarchists posing as progressives....Clinton is the only politician I know who has the skill, intellect, and cojones to sidle up to the likes of a Karl Rove or a Dick Cheney, and thoroughly kick them SQUARE IN THE ASS while doing so...they KNOW better than to cross him!

Hopefully,Da GENERAL (Wesley Clark) is doing his homework on his fellow Arkansan Clinton....I have a sneaking feeling he is..Big Dog knows that the trick is not to take the neocons on head to head, though it CAN be done...the trick is to make them look like complete and utter FOOLS-THAT's what they hate more than just losing, because the added insult of looking bad adds more weight than losing in and of itself!

Notice how the American Pradva made NO mention of Bush being booed in Italy while Clinton was cheered?

[me b zola]

56. Do ya have your tin foil hat on? Here's my theory..

Big Dog owes Hillary big--really big. There are not many things that could make up for how he humiliated her. She wants the Presidency, to feel powerful, to show the world that she will have the last laugh. Hillary no longer stands for any Democratic values, but what she values is to achieve the highest office in the world. They know who owns the voting machines, and it would take an overwhelming landslide of a cult hero to be able to compete with election fraud that is not obvious to everyone. No one from either party possesses that cult of personality. So.....

So here's the deal with the devil:

As Hillary continues her move to the right & corporate interest, Bill moves in to make the deal. The current misAdministration has left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth (no BJ jokes) that the corporate owners of American politics would be willing to give Hillary the office as long as she does not dismantle the dismantling of the Constitution that * has achieved. Just hold the course for her term(s) in office. This allows the perception of fair elections, stifling the need for election reform and transparency in elections.
The additional "gift" to the gop is the unification of their party around the "liberal" administration. Remember, the fact that there is nothing liberal (or for that matter,Democratic) about Hillary does not matter for the Clinton-bashing gop-bots. The *perception* that the Dems have won the WH would be enough to placate both parties.

[wyldwolf]

57. how should I respond to this....?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat::tinfoilhat:

[me b zola]

58. I swear to goodness, I was LMAO as I read your subject line & saw your

name. :rofl:

I'm deeply saddened that I did not get as many tinfoil hats as rofl.
What gives? Hysterical laughter at the not-so-pleasent truths within my post that you were left week & unable to click on tin foil hat man?


I feel a bit of indigestion...:puke:

[wyldwolf]

59. I've read many many tinfoil hat theories here...

....some get repeated so often that they come to be thought of as fact among the more conspiracy minded here.

It's funny to see the dodging and spinning when someone finally decides to ask, "got any proof of that?"

I really hope your "theory" doesn't reach that status on DU.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

:tinfoilhat:

[fooj]

83. While you spend your time rolling around in hysterics...

some are quite disgusted and embarrassed by the snubbing of a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE ex-president! Whatever blows your hair back...

:shrug:

[wyldwolf]

85. that's even more hysterical

Because the conspiracy theory in question makes no mention of Jimmy Carter.

Funny you should try to connect the two.

Whatever blows your hair back...

:shrug:

[fooj]

96. Blah...blah...blah

:kick:

[wyldwolf]

113. exactly

[me b zola]

84. Have I touched a nerve??

We should all question power seekers who demonstrate that they are willing to "be" anyone for votes/power. I would suggest that we have an obligation to question candidates links to money/power, not only to save our party, but our Nation.

[wyldwolf]

86. Only the funnybone

question, yes. Make up stuff, no

[Catamount]

62. I've been away.....lmao....but love your reminder of Betta Times!!!!!!!!

I feel much more informed now and will take a little of everything with my tongue in cheek.
Constantly torn between my fury at the state of affairs and my desire to take the middle road for peace and tranquility for us and the world,I appreciate your input fellow duers!
Thanks!:toast:

[In Truth We Trust]

106. Very sound imo..... I mostly agree

[shockra]

128. Good answer.

Makes a lot of sense, and is about the only way I could explain his behavior too.

Unfortunately, we've all gotten so used to the irrational right that anything logical sounds out of the realm of reality anymore.

[Catherine Vincent]

61. The Big Dog has lost some of his sense since the surgery.

But if you think about, they haven't been together that often. Both occasions are widely exposed (Tsunami relief and Pope memorial).

[Catamount]

63. You forgot Poland! Sorry, Clinton Library

[Catherine Vincent]

65. Yeah but those are events that all living presidents attend.

There will be times when the Bushes, Clintons, Carters, Fords will unite together because they are all former presidents.

[Catamount]

67. All of them together is good!

:bounce:

[DemGirl7]

64. It's creeping the crap out of me

I'm afraid that Clinton is being brainwashed or is already brainwashed by hanging around the Bushies. The Bushies are a bunch of bad eggs, and I don't want to see Clinton corrupted by them, and ending up as another Bushbot...there are already too many of them and I don't want to see anymore!

[leesa]

69. Birds of a feather? I'm beginning to believe the theory that Clinton

bloated the federal surplus so the neocons could loot it.

[orleans]

70. ummm...yes!!! it pisses me off

and makes me want to puke.

i seem to remember that poppy visited clinton in the hospital--i don't know if it was for the original heart surgery or the follow-up six months later.

(i tried to google it but couldn't come up with anything about it--too many articles to wade through)

i'm thinking he's trying to pair the clinton name with bush so when hillary runs the repukes won't think she's so bad because the two families have been chummy for so long.

yetch!

:puke:

[Catamount]

71. Me too, yet ....

somehow I don't think that the *s want any democrats in the oval office. I'm sure it's all been set up for Jeb by now.:puke:

[Contrary1]

72. Maybe that's why Clinton looks so bad in this picture...

hanging around the Bushes too much is not good for one's health.
Notice Shrub is wearing his "I care" face today.

[Catamount]

73. My God! Is he holding back a chuck? Incredible photo, thanks!

[Contrary1]

74. Well, he is standing next to Condi...

maybe that's causing the problem.

[Catamount]

75. LOL n/t

[KoKo]

91. Look at all of them in that pix....The body language and expressions on

faces are incredible. What's Poppy doing...trying to intimidate Pickles? Amazing.

[Dervill Crow]

76. Baffled more than pissed.

[LimpingLib]

77. When were they seperated?

Thats my question anyway.

[Catamount]

78. Come on now!

:evilfrown:

[friendofbenn]

81. clinton

they're both members of the business party why should they pose for pics together? clinton was a vocal enthusiast of IWR aswell incase you hadnt noticed

[Skidmore]

89. I think Clinton cut a deal with the devil. He'll supply *

with a little shine and polish on his tarnished rep, and the Rs won't run anyone significant against Hillary in 06.

[Catamount]

98. Why would they do that-the repugs? What about Jeb?

[Skidmore]

112. Jeb wants to be President, but * wants to salvage

a legacy.

[earth mom]

92. Yeah, I'm pissed! Clinton is an asshole just like *

they all deserve each other! Bill & Hillary are sellouts and disgust me to the max! And the fact that * told Carter there was no room on the plane just proved how low class they all are! Oh and * had to take the wife and the mistress-or is Condi wife number 2?-otherwise there would have been hell to pay. :grr:

[The Flaming Red Head]

93. Keep your enemies close and you know what they're up to

[Catamount]

124. I suppose Bill could get all kinds of insider info to pass on to the dems!

I just wish I could feel something other than disdain for the *.:o

[itcfish1]

94. Ever Hear

Keep your friends near, but keep your enemies even closer ?

:pals:

[Catamount]

99. Is that what Bill is thinking?

[woodleydem]

97. Raising money for tsunami relief and attending the pope's funeral

aren't considered political alliances. I hate Bush just as much as anybody around here, but give me a break. Many of public appearances that they have made together in the recent months are related to raising awareness and money for tsunami relief victims. (and most recently the pope's funeral) I still don't understand all the bashing of a two-term Democratic President who created 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, and did more for poor working class people than any President has since FDR. Very strange.

[Catamount]

101. I am not really bashing him, I still love him and always will!

I would like to see Bill by himself, or surrounded by other dems (those of value)once in a while.
Perhaps I've been listening to too much AA and hearing those relief adds repeated every half an hour.
Now I know it's for a good cause, so don't jump on me.:think:

[woodleydem]

111. I'm not jumping on you, or on anybody in particular, it's just the overall

attitude on DU. As a previous poster indicated, many of these events are traditional Presidential events where all living Presidents usually attend. (pope's funeral not withstanding) I'm sure there are many in the RW who are asking why Bush is hanging out with Clinton so much. The job of former Presidents don't end after they are out of office. There are many ceremonial duties you must attend to--part of joining an exclusive club.

[incapsulated]

119. Exactly

I don't see them as joined at the hip at all. I knew there would be appearances because of the tsunami thing, and jeez, what is he supposed to do, not attend a funeral because Bush is there?

[KalicoKitty]

135. Plus, Pres. Clinton's foundation is spending $10m for kids with AIDS

Former President Bill Clinton on Monday said his foundation would spend some $10 million this year to help treat 10,000 children afflicted with HIV/AIDS in 10 countries, particularly in rural Africa.

http://www.reuters.co.za/locales/c_newsArticle.jsp?type=topNews&localeKey=en_ZA&storyID=8150936

[dogindia]

100. what is going on. Clinton

must know about the election. Is he selling out? Very distressing. There are weird and complex things happening with the world wide culture about energy and how to create a steady state. No one is talking about it Business and money interests are ruling right now but oil is running out and we are not striving to conserve...not one knows....or is at least admitting to him or her self. This is not easy.

I think Clinton is just caught up in the denial.

It is just to hard to face the real problems.

There is no map for PowerDown.

[Catamount]

102. Excellent Points!

[truebrit71]

103. Clinton legitimizes either one of the bushes with every single appearance.

Everyone KNOWS the Big Dog won two straight, and everyone KNOWS that Lt AWOL stole two straight, so the only way to 'legitimize' the Idiot Son is to stroll around with Bill and his old man....

Bill is being used pure and simple....do you think that there would be no negative reaction if Dimson showed up by himself???

BTW...why the hell is someone that spoke at Bob Jones University (a notoriously anti-catholic institution) even in the same CITY as the Pope??? :grr:

[Catamount]

107. So is it Bill's ego that makes himself so vulnerable to "Use"?

Or is it the darker forces at work by the *s?
I don't buy the theory that the *s are going to back Hillary in 08, that some duers are suggesting.
I guess if Delay can threaten judges openly in congress now, anything is possible.

[itcfish1]

110. Did you Know

That Clinton became close friends with Bob Dole?

[WI_DEM]

104. my feeling is that much of what the Clinton's do is for political effect

Hillary wants to run in '08 and wants to be preceived as "moving to the middle"--and I think they think these photo-ops with W and his corrupt family will help Hillary in '08.

[Catamount]

108. Yes, that makes sense....but yuck!

[Carolina]

114. Hillary has about as much

chance of winning the presidency in 2008 as I do. She's the poster girl for mobilizing the wingnuts. And she's already moved past the middle heading right. I don't want her in 2008. We need new blood, true BLUE D/democratic blood.

I loved the Big Dog, but lately his talking points to Dems (re: abortion, gay rights, etc.) bother me more than the photo-ops with the Bushes. Still, hobnobbing with the Poppy, Shrub, Pickles and their ilk for whatever reason brings to mind one thing: when you get down in the mud with pigs, you get dirty. PERIOD.

[dave123williams]

115. Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer...

[SpaceBuddy008]

116. Funding ones' OppoSITion: Naive to think Power Elite ultra-rich don't

Clinton's professor Carrol Quigley:

THE QUIGLEY FORMULA

The net effect of Against All Enemies is to implement a strategy described by Professor Carroll Quigley, President Clinton’s mentor when he was a student at Georgetown University. In his book, Tragedy and Hope, Quigley explained the value of allowing people to believe that, by choosing between the Democratic and Republican parties, they are participating in their own political destiny. To a collectivist like Quigley, this is a necessary illusion to prevent voters from meddling into the important affairs of state. If you have ever wondered why the two American parties appear so different at election time but not so different afterward, listen carefully to Quigley’s approving overview of American politics:

The National parties and their presidential candidates, with the Eastern Establishment assiduously fostering the process behind the scenes, moved closer together and nearly met in the center with almost identical candidates and platforms, although the process was concealed as much as possible, by the revival of obsolescent or meaningless war cries and slogans (often going back to the Civil War). … The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy. … Either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.


OBVIOUS CLUES

http://www.freedom-force.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=againstallenemies&refpage=issues
*****

excellent read by G. Edward Griffin and the history of Fabian society
and it's creation of 'liberalism' ? a kinder and gentler COLLECTIVISM

THE FUTURE IS CALLING
This is Mr. Griffin's analysis of the War on Terrorism and much more. Terrorism is a distraction for deeper issues. Both hawks and doves are playing into the hands of those who are using the conflict for their own hidden agendas. You will discover the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization that has dominated U.S. public policy since World War I. You will learn about the ideology called collectivism that motivates this group and find that its members believe that the best way to bring about desirable changes in society is to engage in war. Mr. Griffin meticulously documents how these people, working within the American government, plotted to involve the U.S. in both World Wars. They even encouraged enemy attacks so they could claim the status of victim instead of aggressor. The lessons and parallels for the War on Terrorism are chilling.
Part 1: The Chasm
Part 2: Secret Organizations and Hidden Agendas
Part 3: Days of Infamy
Part 4: The War on Terrorism
Part 5: An Idea Whose Hour Has Come (Under development)

http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=issues

[Catamount]

118. Thank you, what a grim picture!

I think I was more disillusioned with FDR than anyone else, since he's always been such a hero to so many people, yet it seems very possible that he was equally corrupt
But looking at the whole political structure from that point of view, makes everything we strive for seem like such a waste of time.
But I still believe that so much depends on the man or woman in power, their own vision, intellect, belief systems, etc; and those of their advisers and friends.
There in lies the problem with the *.
With Clinton I felt we were heading in the right direction, with the world behind us, now it's the total opposite!

[zann725]

117. Clearly he's bartering and begging and sleeping on the floor of planes

to see that his wife gets 'good odds' in '08. Foolish man.

[drdtroit]

120. Keep your friends close,

but keep your enemies even closer!

[Dees]

121. Maybe he has a thing for Pickles....

It's some power ego thing. Disgusting. Bill, did we hardly know yee?

[cquik18]

126. I could see Big Dog nailing Pickles...

...she looks like the type who wants it the way SHE wants it...and hubby ain't cutting it! Pickles wants some of the Big Dog-I say let her HAVE it!

[mitchum]

129. Why is a moderate republican like Clinton hanging with rw extremists?

[Sapphire Blue]

130. I've been pissed at Clinton since WTO, NAFTA, welfare reform, etc.

We continue to suffer the adverse effects from the policies he enabled. Given the chance and enough time, it wouldn't have surprised me if he'd gone after Social Security.

A Clinton quote...

I once said to a friend of mine, about three days before the election -- I heard all these terrible things -- I said, "You know, am I the only person in the entire United States of America who likes both George W. Bush and John Kerry, who believes they're both good people, who believes they both love our country and they just see the world differently?"

- Bill Clinton :puke:

http://www.clintonfoundation.org/111804-nr-sp-pc-spe-wjc-remarks-at-presidential-center-dedication.htm

The quote above, plus his recent buddying up to the Toxic Shrubs, pisses me off even more. :mad:

Perhaps he was so popular because he enabled much of the Republican agenda... if he was a Republican, they'd tout him as the greatest president ever.

Maybe he's working out a deal for Rove to run Hillary's campaign.

[Bark Bark Bark]

131. Wurst Prezident EVAR!!

Clinotn didn't supprot gay marriage. Clitnon tried to get health kare. Clintnon made war on Boznia and now tehy hate us so mucj. Cliton dint legalize drugz but he signed NAMBLA. And he embarasssed the entrie cuntry by making us obsess about his sexlife and forced GOP to investingat him. Clifton murdered that guy. He mad us luk dum! In teh I's of teh wurld!!!1

Clinnton made my turds hard and hurt wen tehy come owt. I tihnk he mad my cat die 2.

How daer he go to funeral! Or raise muny to help peeple?

We shoold al vote fr Ralf Nadre so Jeb wins and keep the cuntry storng. George is dum butt Cliton was so much wurse. I hayt him.

</sarcasm>

Seriously, how many high-minded judgmental yo-yos among us jacked off to Monicagate, yet have decided Bill Clinton "owes" them his undying loyalty?

[0007]

133. Clinton is a better man than me. I couldn't hang loose with

someone that had made snide remarks and lies about me, then again I'm too hot headed to be a politican. The work that Clinton is doing is great but folks that he's doing it with I object.

[enough already]

134. Seriously pissed

Anything or anybody giving potential political cover to the chimp is crap in my book.

[Lerkfish]

136. "confused" is a better term...

I can see no political advantage for Clinton, only for the Bushes. Therefore, I must conclude the advantage for Clinton is not for public consumption?

Seems rather bizarre considering how badly the republicans have demonized Clinton...but I"m also confused why mcCain would support bush after the lies about his wife. If someone did that to MY wife, it would be a cold day in hell before I let the guy near me, much less hug me in public.

Something appears to be going on that we are not privy to.

but I still find it confusing.

[BreweryYardRat]

137. Simple...

1. Some things are a statesman's duty to go to, no matter how repugnant the company. (And * is almost as bad as it gets.)

2. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Enough said.

It's basic politics, that's all.