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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:35 PM
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Can I get examples of the Patriot Act violating people's rights?
I've got a gaggle of cons claiming there have been no documented cases of it violating anyone's rights. I call bullshit and I know you can help me.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:38 PM
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1. Jose Padilla would be the most obvious case
The guy's been held without charges since 2002. Can't speak to attorneys or family members, and the only thing they had on him to begin with was "thinking about making a dirty bomb" - and even that couldn't be proven.

This would have never been possible in this country before the Patriot Act.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:44 PM
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2. Exactly. Ask Padilla, or examine the reports recently on the huge
increase in sneak and peak without a warrent invasions of people's homes. How about those folks shipped to other countries for torture, or the 2000 or more incarcerated after 9-11 under this act without access to lawyers or formal charges.
Contact ACLU and ask for a list.
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riveroffools Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:36 PM
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12. Here is the run down on Padilla: I just don't know: this guy might have
been trying to kill Americans.

In 1994 Padilla converted formally to Islam at al-Iman mosque in Sunrise. The imam at the mosque at that time, who would have overseen Padilla's conversion, was Raed Awad—the former Florida fund raiser for the Holy Land Foundation, a Muslim charity that the Bush Administration has linked to Hamas. In December the Texas-based offices of the foundation were raided and shuttered by the Treasury Department. Attempts to reach Awad, who has since left the mosque, were unsuccessful. Awad has denied any link between the charity and Hamas. Law-enforcement sources say the FBI is interested in learning more about the role he played in Padilla's conversion.

Around the time of his conversion, Padilla legally changed his name to Ibrahim. (No surname is listed on court documents, so Time is using his birth name.) In 1996 he married Stultz, who had also converted. He started wearing a red-and-white kaffiyeh, or headdress, and expensive watches and clothes, although he was unemployed for much of the time. In 1998 Padilla suddenly left his wife and moved to Egypt, telling acquaintances at al-Iman mosque that he was going to learn Arabic. Padilla has since told investigators that his travels were sponsored by "friends" interested in his education. Using the name Abdullah al-Muhajir, he moved to a suburb of Cairo. But he was frustrated, officials say, by the secular, state-controlled brand of Islam taught in mainstream schools. He plunged into the extremist underground, where he was advised to study in Pakistan and Afghanistan. He moved to Pakistan, where, like many militants, he married the widow of a jihadist. Last year Padilla met with Abu Zubaydah for the first time, U.S. officials say. In spring of this year, he met with Abu Zubaydah again—and allegedly made his nuclear-bomb pitch.

In March Abu Zubaydah was captured in Pakistan. A month later, he hinted to his FBI and CIA interrogators that he had talked to people who wanted to put together a dirty bomb, says a U.S. official. He provided no details, but agents started comparing intelligence as well as material from safe houses they had raided. Out popped Padilla's name, the official says. They then matched the name to a passport photo of Padilla and checked the identification with Abu Zubaydah, who confirmed it. The chase was on.

The CIA caught up with Padilla in Cairo in early May, where officers learned he was planning to fly to the U.S. When he boarded his connection in Zurich, bound for Chicago, he was trailed by FBI agents. FBI officials, including Director Robert Mueller, had debated whether to continue following Padilla in hopes of turning up accomplices. But they could not risk losing him, sources tell Time, as they had a couple of times during his far-flung journey, so they took the more cautious approach. After Padilla deplaned in Chicago, customs officers pulled him aside not far from the baggage carousel. In a secondary screening room, FBI agents identified themselves and took Padilla into custody. He appeared neither surprised nor angry, says a federal agent. During the next month, the feds tried and apparently failed to build a case against Padilla that would stand up in court. On Sunday, June 9, the day before Padilla could have been released under laws protecting U.S. citizens from indefinite detention, President Bush approved Padilla's reclassification as an "enemy combatant." He was transferred after midnight to the brig of a South Carolina naval base.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,262917,00.html
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:44 PM
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3. It violates my rights just by existing.
You do not have to USE the unconstitutional provisions of a law to make them evil. But I would say that the detention of Jose Pedilla without Writ of Habeas Corpus or legal representation would qualify as a concrete example. He is an American Citizen, and was detained and not allowed a lawyer.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:49 PM
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6. I agree with you
but some examples besides Pedilla would help me to make my case.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:45 PM
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4. This guy -- Portland attorney arrested for alleged terrorist connections
Link .

The Justice dept and FBI later admitted their case was based on a false ID of finger prints, plus a number of 'sneak-and-peek' searches of Mr. Mayfield's home.

The FBI then held him for two weeks, without charges, as a 'material witness' -- all the while trumpeting to the press that they had a suspected terrorist behind bars.

In other words, they didn't serve him with a search warrant. He even reported to police that he was sure his home had been broken into. Then one day they showed up to arrest him -- even though the Spanish gov't later said the fingerprints didn't match at all.
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riveroffools Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:06 PM
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8. The Material Witness Act this guy was arrested under was writtne in 1984.
It is not part of the Patriot Act.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:48 PM
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5. Check the ACLU's web site
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 12:57 PM
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7. here's a link...
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:24 PM
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9. Read the fouth and sixth amendments of the bill of rights
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 01:30 PM by proud patriot
Read the definition of "illegal combatant" within
the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act.

Ask the freepers if they would trust this kind of power
in the hands of Liberals . Ask them if the second amendment
was affected like the fourth and sixth would they not
be screaming from the rooftops .

We as citizens of American need to have checks
and balances if we are to ensure the well being
of our Country free from corruption and tyranny.

all patriots know this regardless of political
affilition . Also tell these conservatives that
you have more in common with them than any of
politicians or T.V. news pundits .

Remind them that the Constitution is of the People
not of the Government . It is Our Tool to establish
Justice, insure Domestic Tranquility , provide for
the common defence , Promote the General Welfare and
secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our
posterity.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:28 PM
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10. Here is a story
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 01:35 PM
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11. "sneak and peep" was used to capture that "copycat" baby napper/ who
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 01:37 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
almost killed the mother for her invitro baby ...okay it was good that she was captured by law enforsement officers BUT it was also ABUSE of the Patriot Act in this case, BECAUSE the "patriot act" was passed to fight and capture "terrorist" NOT to be used against citizens and to aid police departments in caputring ordinary American criminal citizens.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 02:13 PM
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13. Documented is a cop-out phrase, since anything gotten under the
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 02:16 PM by EC
Patriot Act is "Classified" but here are some: Well, it affects our insurance and loans, since it now costs us an additional $25. or more for security checks to make sure we aren't laundering money, for one. (Anytime you get life insurance, home mortgages or other insurances or loans this has to be done.) There was the high profile case of Galardi and his strip clubs for racketeering, where financial records were gotten without warrants and wire-tapping without warrants.(now there is a real terrorist) It's really hard to tell because also written in the Patriot Act is that any use of it is "Classified" so they don't even have to reveal when they use it. The ACLU was prevented from releasing the text of its counter suit challenging aspects of the PATRIOT Act because the government claimed it would violate secrecy provisions of the act.
In the Patriot Act II is a clause asking for DNA from companies when they hire new employees (so it would be a piss test and a swab to get a job) for a DNA database. The FBI ordered a handful of journalists that had written about computer hacker Adrian Lamo to turn over their notes and other information under the auspices of the PATRIOT Act. In May 2004, the FBI cordoned off the entire block of a University at Buffalo associate art professor's house, impounding his computers, manuscripts, books, equipment for further analysis and The Buffalo Health Department temporarily condemned the house as a health risk after suspicious vials and bacterial cultures were discovered at his home. The professor, whose art involves the use of biology equipment as part of a project educating the public about the politics of biotechnology was charged with violations under the Section 175 of the US Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act which was expanded by the USA PATRIOT. The maintainer of a TV-show fan website was charged with copyright infringement after the MPAA directed the FBI to obtain records from the site's Internet service provider about the site under the USA PATRIOT Act .

Is this enough? These cases would have been covered in other existing laws and warrants should have been asked for, there were no terrorist threats here.


On edit: with Mr. Mayfield's case, his arrest wasn't under the Patriot Act, but the sneak and peak searches were..




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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 02:40 PM
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14. Justice Department report lists 34 Patriot Act civil rights violations
www.lifeandliberty.gov/docs/ 071304_report_from_the_field.pdf
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 03:11 PM
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15. when do they vote on the Patriot "Act"?
??
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 03:16 PM
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16. What about Peace Fresno?
They got infiltrated by a sheriff's deputy who was authorized by the USA PATRIOT Act to go undercover and pose as an anti-war protester in Peace Fresno so he could ferret out information about the group.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 03:20 PM
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17. The "sneak and peak" unconstitutional Big Brother shit
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