Sun Myung Moon linked to Falwell, W, GHW Bush and GOP

[NAO]

While reading Robert Perry's excellent book "Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq", I came upon a most interesting and timely story: the connection between Jerry Falwell and the Reverend Sun Myung Moon.

Moon used some shell-game money laundring tactics to bail Falwell's "Liberty Baptist University" out of bankruptcy and certian financila ruin.

During this same time period, Moon also funnelled sigfificant funds to GHW Bush.

Apparently, Moon had been very involved, through financial contriubutions and networked associations, in the success of the conservative movement and the Republican Party.

That is VERY creepy, and also there is a virtual blackout in the corporate media about these associations (probably because Moon owns the corporate media - either directly or thru shell companies.)

Has anyone else seen these facts documented elsewhere? In Perry's book he uses material from the public record - legal documents, reports of public companies, etc. It's just so suprising that this is not better known and not more widely discussed.

[jojo54]

1. Sounds like a good research project to me

Maybe the grandson and I will take a stroll to the public library. May have to sign for the documents (that'd be like signing my own death warrant I guess) but I'd still like to find a connection.

One of these days the Dem officials will finally get up the nerve to ask Judiciary Chairman to start impeachment trials. Too bad he's a repug.

[Cell Whitman]

8. There are many, many connections already well documented

Don't let that stop you from looking.... we need many, many eyes watching this.

From The Washington Post:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55a/018.html
Bush and his wife, Barbara, have spoken at several events sponsored by the Women's Federation for World Peace, which is run by Moon's wife, Hak Ja Han Moon. More than 50,000 people paid to see the Bushes at a single event at the Tokyo Dome last year. Tickets cost between $105 and $196 each. The group would not disclose how much it paid Bush and his wife, nor would the former president reveal his fee, but estimates ran as high as $1 million for his six appearances with the group here.

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This is a photo of Poppy Bush and Bar backstage greeting Mrs. Messiah at the Tokyo dome. Moon couldn't be there he isn't allowed into Japan.

This picture has never been seen on the net till NOW!!



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read my blog. It will help connect some dots to the who, what, where and why...

http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[Viking12]

2. The moonies are very loyal to their "Father"...

...so information is kept secret very well. Moon has been documented to be the funder of many anti-environmental groups as well as other 'conservative' fronts. He is clever in creating multiple-layers of organization and separate sources of funding to make tracing financing directly back to him difficult.

[Squeech]

3. How about

the time Great Father had himself *crowned* by half a dozen of our elected representatives? That should get some publicity too-- great visuals :puke:

[spindoctor]

4. Old news

So old I can't remember where I read it first.

[Cell Whitman]

5. Robert Parry discovered this, you can read about it here

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

In the article "The Dark Side of the Moon: The Buying of the right."

He discovered that Moon financed Falwell by accident while looking into the money Moon paid Bush 41.

[tsuki]

23. I read that the 3.5 million was used to buy up bonds from small

investors that had cashed in their IRAs and savings to support Liberty University (God's Work.) Dan Reber and Jimmy Thomas were able to buy the bonds for twenty cents on the dollar.

Moral values.

[annabanana]

15. It's always new to someone here...

So it bears repeating. Who's on the list of congress critters who were present at that Coronation in the Dirksen Building?

[Cell Whitman]

6. Read this it will catch you up.

Yes, the Parry info has been out there for a long time.

It is kind of long, but if you read my blog(it's not a blog in the normal sense it only has three posts) it outlines the reasons and how Moon has been manipulating our political process.

It is an outline and the second post has over 50 "notes" that you can use to confirm the information in the fist post. The third post documents some of why the Washington Times is a Moon tool and don't let them tell you different.

Moon does NOTHING that isn't tied to his goals.

http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[Cell Whitman]

7. Falwell with Moon photos

I have read hundreds of Moon's speeches and have studied him for a few years now. The country, including many of his shills, have NO IDEA HOW HOW DEEP THIS RUNS.

And that is just from what we know. As I mentioned Parry discovered Moon financing Falwell by accident. Lord know what else is out there. But just what we do know would make Granny jump out the window if she were told.

Moon has more to do with our nation's political situation than anyone, ANYONE. He outspent Scaife. He created the front groups and he and his organization molded the new right.

Falwell and Moon photos can be found in this first link below.
DU is the first place those Falwell photos have been posted to the net. I saved them from some Russian Moon propaganda site video which is now scrubbed.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1693693&mesg_id=1693693

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1696238&mesg_id=

[Cell Whitman]

9. No Moon No Bush

Apparently, Moon had been very involved, through financial contributions and networked associations, in the success of the conservative movement and the Republican Party.


I have studied this and can tell without a doubt, the Republican Party would not be made up ideologically as it is, there leadership wouldn't be theocratic and fascist nor would their party be in power in the USA if not for Moon's money, front groups and efforts.

No Moon No Bush
No Moon No "New" Right

It's as simple as that.

We would be dealing with Republicans NOT theocratic fascists if not for Moon and his alliances with the right starting big time with Reagan and Bush. Moon was guest at their inaugural in 1981.

Moon has funded Falwell, Viguerie, LaHaye at one time or another as just a fer instance. Terry Dolan was the father of the attack add, Moon gave him a half million.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Any thoughts on Moon blackmailing bush?

or others

:hi:

[Cell Whitman]

12. I don't know

sorry I ramble in posts, not trying to time leverage you, it's just that there is sooo much to this story and it's hard for me to put it down, so I tend to ramble trying to cover points....


anyway, I don't know but for the most part I don't think that it works like that. I could be very wrong. Moon threatened to open the books and make everyone do as he wanted with UN a few years ago. There have always been folks who say he has a black book from the 70s when he had operatives crawling all over DC which lead to the Fraser investigation.

I am sure there are plenty of folks who don't want people to know how much they have worked with him but I would be very surprised at out an out blackmail. Also, I am one who doesn't believe that people who shill for him are members, necessarily.

Moon is getting what he wants. He calls it the "natural subjugation of the American government and population." Without knowing it, our nation and CHRISTIANITY is following his lead. I know he brags about that and people laugh at him, he is the one getting the last laugh because it is true. Reagan told Bo Hi Pak that he couldn't have done it without Moon's propaganda front, the Washington Times, and he couldn't have. Moon brags about using the paper to "influence" the nation, and it HAS. (see my blog)

Maybe it's just that I have been trying to get people look at just what we know for sure for so long. Things like blackmail might come out someday, but what we know and the masses don't is plenty to start a ruckus without trying to add to the pot theories other than for discussion like here. Some call Moon's known influence a conspiracy theory. There is no "theory" to it, so making it one seems unnecessary to me.

If you know what I mean. I am not saying to surmise and look is wrong, DON'T let it slow you down from looking and wondering cause who knows what all is out there.

In general, I am not to hot on calling people like Falwell a moonie or saying Bush is told what to do by Moon. It makes people shy from the story and isn't how it works as I see it. This is an influence game played over a few decades.

Picture a boat leaving the UK heading for New York. It's going along fine, then someone gives the steering wheel an undetectable very slight turn to the left, ever so slight at first... then another little nudge, another nudge and before you know it, you arrive in Brazil.

That is what has happened to our democracy, we're arriving in fvcking Brazil. imho...

[seemslikeadream]

14. Have you been by Minstrel Boy's blog?

Great stuff

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/full-moon.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/heavenly-deception.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/life-and-moonie-times-of-george-hw.html


The blackmail might be concerning this

[annabanana]

16. That picture looks a lot like a threat to me!...........n/t

[Cell Whitman]

18. I don't think he "needs" to blackmail anyone.

I had been to Minstrel Boy's blog, but I only saw one post at the time, iirc. Good work from what I read, need to read some more. Thanks for posting the links.

It's not my intention to rain on anyone's ideas as to any shenanigans in DC nor especially involving Moon. Hat's off to Minstrel Boy and anyone moonwatching, koresh knows what anyone may find or that Moon may reveal. I've read hundreds of his speeches but I'll bet you a dollar to doughnut there are many gems in the one's I haven't read that would spook the sane soul.

I saw the article and the video documentary,iirc, a couple years ago. You know, the documentary about the callboy ring. As I remember, visually it wasn't too good, but I saw it. No doubt something stinks with the callboy thing but I just don't know enough about it.

Couple things till I get some time to write a post that may explain better...

Moon doesn't need to blackmail anyone to get what he wants. I mean all out blackmail, of course they have huge influence. Moon is behind the big the wheel. When asked if he was working for the KCIA he replied something like, "I am not so small as being KCIA, the world is my goal." If you know much about him, you know that he meant that.

Moon doesn't have to have something "on" Danny Davis for instance. Moon has been working on conning black ministers for years and has made inroads with some black politicians that way. And of course the republicans used Moon to promote Bush's "Faith Based Vote Buying Scheme." That helped Moon take off in the black community on his 50 state 'We Will Stand Tour'. Though let's not over estimate his support. Moon said he could control our government with 500 members in each state. He knows how things work.

Moon is always there, any honest information about his group is not. Black ministers are being conned because they rarely, if ever, hear the other side of the story. TV won't tell them. They buy into Moon's "peace" efforts. Moon has many facets. I called Danny's office a year before the crowning and warned them Moon was using Danny. They did not listen, but at least Davis now says he will no longer attend Moon events...conservatives still drool over the Washington Times.

I don't think he has to blackmail anyone. Not saying he hasn't, isn't or won't, if not here, another part of the globe. But I don't think Moon "has" to have that tool in his bag. This is a game started bigtime in 1980. If you can make your way through this: http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/ it might explain some.

I am trying to say, when it comes to Moon info, I think we have so much documented on the plate that no one has dined on ... but I'm not opposed to peaking in the fridge for dessert. May not be what one was looking for, maybe better. But the meal on the table still needs to be eaten and it is getting cold. Another thing, Moon's efforts are in rapid time now. He isn't moving at the speed he once was. He is all over the world. I think he adds a website a day. Impossible to keep up with them.

Some like to say Moon is part of the Illuminati or he's a 76445th degree whatever. I am not saying he isn't but I will say anyone who is involved in any organization with Moon, and they think he is taking orders from them or that they are getting the best of him, in the LONG run they are making a big mistake. imho.

Sure he's made some blunders and it ain't like he's the messiah or something, but overall...check what he said he wanted and where we are going. Never be surprised because his media may be critical of republicans or Bush. This guy doesn't give a hooey about Bush, conservatives, the USA or any of that BS. He's in this one for himself and his theocratic/fascist goal of putting he and his group in charge of the direction of world events.

If he can gain acceptance,(as he has and is more and more) his minions and money will do the rest, as they have. I find it funny when people worry that he "may" do something. He already has, he could sell the Washington Times tomorrow, it's done the job it was originally designed for...

and... Moon dying won't stop this.

[tanyev]

24. "and...Moon dying won't stop this"

That is my question. Surely the man can't live much longer. Is his organization solid enough to maintain influence after he's gone? What about infighting?

[Cell Whitman]

27. Good question.

Some say there will be infighting, some say that Ma Moon has been groomed to take over. Many feel that the organization isn't likely to be run by a woman. Moon has her as a front for his "peace" organization, he wants the world to unite with "Mother power". hah

Try not to laugh they are all over the planet. He said if they get the UN to add a theocratic body it will take three years to "bear fruit." So, far the UN has turned him down but that is long, long story and not over.

The heir....

Below, the numbers for the son's are based on the current wife and don't count previous marriages or any illegitimate kids he's rumored to have had.

Most feel the number one son, Hyo Jin, won't get the nod since his ex-wife, Nansook Hong left him taking the five kids and accusing him in a book of being a heavy drug user and beating her when she was pregnant. Here's an interview with Nansook Hong, a REAL heroine in this story. I could not have more respect for any person than I do for this lady.

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1000731
IN THE SHADOW OF THE MOONS

Sep. 26, 1998
Brooke speaks with Nansook Hong, author of In the Shadow of the Moons (Little Brown). Ms. Hong was the former daughter-in-law of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church. She broke away from the church, and left her husband, Hyo Jin, Moon’s heir apparent.

The second son died when he jumped out of a hotel window in Reno. The Moon organization says he didn't jump.

I told someone that I thought that after Moon dies there will be a "special" message from the spiritworld, maybe from the moonster hisself, in which he will name his third son, Hyun Jin, the new "one" in some form or fashion. I later read that he told someone that after he dies he would "run it from the spiritworld"... haha I am sure he'll try and someone will say he is and... yes, there may be some infighting.

I agree with Steve Hassan on the subject who thinks they may become more dangerous after he dies. He says someone will want to control them, it's too powerful an organization. I am not sure people who look right at them realize how much so.

Anyway, Hyun Jin, the third son, is the head of CARP and Moon's youth movement. He closes his talks with a rock concert with him singing lead. They say Moon has over 600 crowns from 185 nations but he doesn't always attend the ceremonies. A thing to note is that in the crowning services which Moon does attend, like the one at Dirkson, it's Hyun Jin and his wife who actually do the placing of the crowns on the heads of Ma and Pa Moon. I think that is for a reason.

here the tree: http://home.att.net/~newlineage/

Here's a quote from a classic AU article by Rob Boston:

http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5684&abbr=cs_
Although Moon himself may not live to see the fruition of all of his goals, observers who track his movement agree that the religio-political powerhouse he has built is not likely to collapse any time soon. Moon's ties to the Republican Party and the Religious Right as well as his outreach to black clergy could mean that his influence will carry beyond the grave.

Introvigne and Clarkson both believe that Moon's wife (his third), who is a good deal younger than Moon, will pick up the reins of leadership once he dies and may continue grooming Hyun Jin for eventual coronation. In either case, Moon's death, they say, isn't likely to dampen the far-right activism of the Moon political machine.

"Once he dies, there will probably be enormous political infighting inside the Moon organization," Clarkson said. "But the people who run it have tried to arrange a family succession centered around a compromise candidate: Mrs. Moon. Mrs. Moon, the 'true co-parent,' will be either the titular or actual head of the Moon operation for the foreseeable future."

[Cell Whitman]

11. NAO, here's a link to four hours of interviews with Robert Parry

I ran into this and my jaw dropped. Parry, until recently, hasn't been doing much writing or interviews. The last hour and half are mostly on Moon but the rest of the interviews are great also. He discusses Iran Contra, the October Surprise, Gary Webb and much more.

Parry's the guy we should be pushing to be guest on the TV.

here they are from David Emory's archive.

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

November 23, 2004: FTR #485: Interview with Robert Parry and Lucy Komisar

December 14, 2004: FTR #489: An Interview with Robert Parry

December 21, 2004: FTR #490: Second Interview with Robert Parry

December 28, 2004: FTR # #491: Another Interview with Robert Parry

[madfloridian]

13. Falwell and Moon having a hug.

[Karenina]

17. Lookee here!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939

[Cell Whitman]

20. hahah, you can probably figure it out

if you read what I post, but part of that post was copied from a post I made elsewhere long ago.

When Gorenfeld was digging into the story of Moon buying subs for North Korea, he sent me a link to a blog with a comment that mentioned the subs...when I went there, I realized, I was the one who wrote the comment. heh

[Carolab]

19. Little website for ya.

www.iapprovethismessiah.com

[Cell Whitman]

21. Gorenfeld ought to receive a Pulitzer for his blog and

coverage of Moon. Don'cha think?

[Carolab]

22. It's a great effort, very thorough and professional.

Extremely important information--PIVOTAL, actually.

So, yes, he should.

[Capn Sunshine]

25. Where were you a year ago when Moon declared he was the Messiah?

Last year On March 23 at the Dirksen Senate Office Building in Washington, Moon declared himself the messiah. Of the dozens of politicians who were on the guest list and reportedly in attendance, including Pennsylvania's Republican U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter and Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., of the 7th Congressional District, no one rushed to denounce Moon's act of spiritual chutzpah.

Modest to a fault, Moon told the audience, which believed it had gathered to honor "community peacemakers" from districts around the country, that the founders of the world's greatest religions had already agreed to acknowledge his pre-eminence as the "King of Peace."

The Moonie newsletter told the tale:
"He, (nor True Father) does not need a crown to "become" a king, they already are. Rather, what is important is in the offering, that America offered the crown. This is what has meaning...So in effect, the crowning means America is saying to Father "Please become my king."...The "outside" view of the Capitol Hill event was that Father received a crown, an award for his years of dedication and leadership in reconciliation and peacemaking. The "inside" view of the event was that America surrendered to True Parents in the king's position."

Moon owns a controlling interest in the Washington Times.

[Cell Whitman]

26. Tony Norman is the tops.

Those first two graphs you quoted are from Tony Norman in this article:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04174/335695.stm

Glad you posted that cause I was thinking about posting this...
Did you see the back up article he wrote to that article? Some real 'in your face' gutsy writing on Moon. Seems some of his readers didn't get the message from the article you quoted.

check this out, it's a dooozee. Tony spanks some folks here:

A spiritual hoodwinking
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04188/342412.stm