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Jackson4Gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:44 PM
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Sharpton now has joined the debate over Schaivo
He is on O'Reilly talking about it. He says he agrees with Jackson, but chooses not to go down there in the heat of action. He also said we should err on the side of life.

What the hell is up with this? Where is all the people (75%) that said removing the feeding tube was correct? Again, major dems fail to stand up.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:47 PM
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1. Now the threads will *SLAM * Rev. AL
HEY....maybe theyre right.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:51 PM
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6. I'm starting to think they're as full-o-bs as lieberman.
Who said last Sunday that it was "the right thing to do" for Congress (and that wonderful "president" bush) to kneel before the frist/delay/fuckedupfundiextemeistswhoviewtheconstitutionasanobstaclefreaks
and "do what it did."

Sorry, joe, jessie, and al - the Consitution is still in effect.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:56 PM
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9. Please let us not destroy our leaders so that Rove faces no big tent.
Please use empathy to see that Lieberman is voting with his conscience (hawk on Israel). We don't want a party where people are not free to vote for their own self-interest. Same with sharpton and JJ. They are all targets for the Right wing.

The sooner Karl Rove can take over our leaders..the sooner he wins the Presidency in 2008 (I mean McCain will win it under Rove's guidance).

I don't want to see it happen.

It is what Karl Rove does. He separates targeted democratic leaders from their own herd and then flips them. Please let us not attack the disparate leaders within the big tent of the democratic party.

Big Tent.:hide:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:02 PM
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13. All for big tent - also all for
a new Democratic Senator from Connecticut.

also for Congressmen/women, Senators, and Presidents that DEFEND the Constitution. (as they are sworn to do)

Lieberman left my good graces with his undying support of bush's bs invasion of Iraq.

Personally, I'd like a new CT Dem to show joe the big tent's exit door.


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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:24 PM
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34. He is voting for the safety of his family. We look at the repuke followers
voting against their own self-interest and we think they are sad. A big Democratic Tent means that we understand some will be voting elsewhere at times. But mostly they want the civil rights and just society that we do.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:04 PM
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14. Don't slam Al or Jesse: This seems to be a larger Democractic "thing"
Remember that the Senate minority leader is "pro-life".

The Dems are caving to the Christian Taliban? I dunno.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:06 PM
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15. How Dare the Reverend Jackson And Reverend Sharp ton
act like Christian ministers?


What would posses them to act like that....
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:18 PM
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20. Cameras maybe?
just wondering....
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:48 PM
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2. He's A Minister And Minister's Ain't For Killin
There's enough killin in this country...
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burned Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:49 PM
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3. why should they?
Jackson is showboating along with everyone else involved in this except Terri's family.

We ought to all just be quiet and let the courts and Michael carry out Terri's wishes. I'd be ashamed of any Dem leader that got involved in this.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:49 PM
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4. Why would Dems get into this if they don't have to?
Especially on that repugnant TV program?

If your enemies are in a cluster fuck, leave them to it. Let the overwhelming majority of Americans who've already said where they stand watch the Repubs flame out.

:popcorn:
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:49 PM
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5. This is more than individual opinion. There's a pattern
Reproductive choice is being abandoned.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:52 PM
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7. I'm lovin' it
Can't paint the entire Democratic Party as the death party when Jesse and Rev Al come out in favor of Terri. I particularly love seeing Jesse Jackson in Florida with the Schiavo family and wondering how some of these Randall Terry lovers feel about that. How painful is it for some of these radical assholes to see Jesse Jackson usurp their leaders role?

:rofl:
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:55 PM
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8. Finally....someone who gets it.
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 08:56 PM by drdon326
thank you.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:58 PM
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11. We Need Love And Compassion For One Another...
That's what being a progressive means to me...

Everything else is commentary...
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Payback Time Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:58 PM
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10. I totally agree w/sandnsea
This kind of thing is great for the Dems because it breaks up the polarization and fingers can't be pointed at all of us as immoral liberals. You know, there is more than one side to a story. Doctors don't know everything and maybe there IS more life in Terry Schiavo than is acknowledged. After all, it's been shown that animals and plants have feelings that we cannot even begin to know right now. I acknowledge that Terri IS in a vegetative state and has a extremely limited quality of life BUT it is spiritual to acknowledge that all life is sacred and mysterious, and we humans do not know all that much about it. It is very good that Democrats can acknowledge that that and still be different than right wing extremists.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 08:59 PM
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12. Now you are losing me totally??
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 09:00 PM by Mass
Am I missing something?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:14 PM
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16. In other words...take the politics out of it.
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 09:16 PM by drdon326


Make it a moral/ethical/legal issue.

BTW...I personally support the tube being replaced on moral issues.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:28 PM
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22. From a purely political standpoint
I love that the labels are all askew.

I don't have to agree with Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton to see the political value in what they're doing.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:45 PM
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24. If Jackson can help the families come together after Terri's death & heal
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 09:54 PM by flpoljunkie
some of the pain and division this tragic episode has caused, that will be quite an accomplishment. The Schindlers do seem to be very grateful for his help.

What I don't like is his saying, "We cannot hide behind the law and not have mercy" -- calling the withholding of food and water inhumane, immoral and unnecessary.

What about the rule of law? Mr. Jackson also needs to educated himself on what happens when a feeding tube is removed from a person who is in a persistent vegetative state. They do not suffer.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:53 PM
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27. "Rule of law " ??
gee....which party is big on saying that ?

Do you say that on death penalty cases ?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:05 PM
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32. By "rule of law" I mean respect for the courts & the separation of powers
enumerated in the Constitution. I am against the death penalty, to be replaced by life without parole, but that has nothing to do with the present case.

You might want to read what Judge Birch, appointed by George H. S. Bush, has to say on the intervention of Congress in this case.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/30/national/30cnd-schiavo.html?ei=5094&en=11ce78a97d52569b&hp=&ex=1112245200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all&position=

"It is my judgment that despite sincere and altruistic motivation, the legislative and executive branches of our government have acted in a manner demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers' blueprint for the governance of a free people - our Constitution," Judge Birch wrote, adding that because he views the law as unconstitutional "this court and the district court are without jurisdiction in this case."

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:03 PM
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30. It doesn't matter
It's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. People have made up their minds about this and they aren't going to chanage their minds because of Jesse and Al.

Jackson has also consistently talked about health care for everybody, which is very good. And he seems to have had a calming affect on the Schiavo's, which I think is good for them and the whole situation.

When this gets around to judge appointments, people are going to remember that they thought the judges were right. And that it wasn't a liberal/conservative fight. I think it helps having them there.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:40 PM
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35. DING DING DING! Sandnsea, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 11:10 PM by rocknation
I'm loving it...How painful is it for some of these radical assholes to see Jesse Jackson usurp their leaders role?

The MSM can't blame liberals for Jeb impeaching himself, DeLay's hypocrisy, Frist's video diagnosis, Randall Terry's family values, Georgie taking a hit in the approval ratings, or the ghost of Baby Sun Hudson. All they can do is wonder why the Dems didn't do more. Why do you think BOTH Jackson and Sharpton didn't surface until AFTER the legal challenges ran out and Terri's body had passed the point of no return???

And speaking of radical assholes:
Parents' lawyer thwarted plan to send (up to 2,000) militia to aid Schiavo
These are the kind of people who have the ear of the GOP leadership, and the public is finally getting to see them! Am I loving it? You'd better BELIEVE I'm loving it!!!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:15 PM
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17. You guys realize that they are both ministers. (as well as politicians)
While I don't agree with them, its not surprising that they would have this position.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:16 PM
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18. So is Sharpton drinking the Terry Randall kool-aid?
Gawd, I hope not.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:18 PM
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19. He's a witch! Burn him! n/t
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:27 PM
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21. Dont laugh....
the "SCREW EVERY DEM WE DONT AGREE WITH ON ANY GIVEN DAY "threads will start.
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Tamyrlin79 Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:40 PM
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23. My problem...
It isn't that I care whether Al or Jesse have this position, really, but I do dislike the fact that this is the position being tauted by the Democrats. My problem is that no one is really arguing for and supporting the other side of the issue effectively. It's just very one-sided. Call me disappointed that the Democrats didn't even take the position of the conservative judge in his concurring opinion today, a PRINCIPLED stand on the schiavo issue. This should have been blown up into a separation of powers and a right to die debate as soon as that happened. Thanks to Judge Birch, perhaps that will finally start to happen, at least on the former issue.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:57 PM
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29. Good post. I had lost the main point of things thinking about judicial
appointments. You have made the very best point I have heard on this issue. Thanks.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:47 PM
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25. Somebody said to me:
This case is bring all the wing-nuts & media whores on BOTH sides out of the woodwork.

I agree.

If we legitimize Rev Al & Jesse, then don't complain about all the nuts on the right doing their "Christian duty."
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:52 PM
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26. I have to give preachers/ministers/reverends a pass here
I just have to.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 09:56 PM
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28. So same with...
Tom Harken
most of the CBC
Jesse Jackson,jr
Harold Ford


???????
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:03 PM
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31. you're always trying to start a fight with me
and ordinarily I'd be game.

but I'm very tired tonite, and must get up early tomorrow.

My brain is mush right now. We'll talk of this tomorrow.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:07 PM
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33. Not trying to start fight....
just pointing out that good dems support TS being refed.
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