YOU have GOT to see this... "how could you be so stupid"! MSNBC..

[Griffy]

Scarbutt meets the truth.. honest doctor tells it like it is... Watch the spin at the end! PROPAGANDA is our biggest enemy!

http://mediamatters.org/comments/latest/200503290005

I believe this is a good chance to dig into the propaganda machine, since the effects of lies and the existance of physical proof of the condition of her brain may make this a great chance to show any fox watcher you know how lies lead to Americans against Americans when if we both had the same facts we would agree. It is in bushies intrest to have us at each others throats! So we wont notice them robbing us! Awareness is the cure for propaganda, knowing its there takes away its teeth, like a placebo!



look here too!
www.starvefox.com

[flakey_foont]

1. Saw that

the Doc opened up a can a' whoop-ass on Scarbur

[LSparkle]

3. And on that stupid woman reporter they had at the hospice

Scabrous jumped in ostensibly to defend her but ... Cranford was just making too damned much sense for his show, so Scabby had to get into the act. A beautiful thing to see!

[OneTwentyoNine]

39. She's the first that he asked HOW can you be so STUPID??

Bawhahahah,must see TV!!

[rodeodance]

35. I saw it--actully Joe S took it pretty good (IMO)

[alittlelark]

2. The doc make them look like uninformed fools...

which they are.

[Dhalgren]

4. No, they're worse. They are paid shills.

They know that Schiavo is a veg. They know that there have been MRI's and CATSCANs and they know what has and has not been found. The Doc. was being kind by saying the shill was stupid, instead of telling the truth - that she was a lying ho...

[yurbud]

5. that's great

[LostInAnomie]

6. I would have loved to have seen Scarmurderer's smug ass get shut up.

Notice how after the doctor was no longer around that that fuck tried to undercut his credibility.

[ClassWarrior]

7. "You don't have those CAT scans??"

Spank the "journalist"/spokesmodel, Doctor!!

<LOL>

NGU.

[NightOwwl]

8. It's the facts stupid!

"Has she had a CAT Scan?" Idiot.

It does give me hope, though, that the propaganda machine (I was going to call it spin, but it has moved way beyond that) failed to sway the majority of Americans who rightly believe Schiavo is a political pawn.

I've been under the impression anyone voting for Bush the 2nd time must be just plain stupid; maybe exposure to the truth would have swayed some of them after all.

Edited for typo.

[quiet.american]

9. "You seem so sure of yourself!!!"

LOL, Scarborough and friend seemed the most incredulous and outraged above all at the fact that Dr. Cranford "seem<ed> so sure of <himself>."

This is a goldmine clue for how to deal with these radical extremists who have gotten so used to tepid language and knee-jerk pullbacks from us Democrats (although we ARE getting feistier) -- Scarborough and friend had almost nothing to come back with because the doctor "seemed so sure of himself."

Just like the schoolyard bully who stops in his tracks once he discovers his target is not backing down.

[kath]

47. He seemed so sure of himself because a detailed neurological exam

and a head CT reveal FACTS, not opinions. The facts don't lie. A detailed neurological exam shows, to a pretty precise level of detail, just what parts of the nervous system are and aren't functioning.
That Scar and the bimbo reporter can't grasp this simple concept (or pretended not to) is disgusting.

[Rambis]

10. So doc if an otherwise healthy 28 year old woman in found dead

in your office what do you do?

[grannylib]

21. *LOL* Hire a paid charlatan to do the autopsy?

[Stand and Fight]

11. Hilarious!

I loved that! Dr. Cranford handled that blond bimbo idiot quite well I might add. Imagine the tenacious stupidity it takes to say to a neurologist, "You seem to think you know what you're talking about..."

[TalkingDog]

12. Paraphrase from my fave posting

"Both liberals and conservatives have belief systems. It seems though, that liberals, through the use of their God-given cognitive gifts, frame and amend their beliefs when necessary. Whereas conservatives use their beliefs to determine how and if they use their God-given cognitve gifts.

[Steely_Dan]

16. Excellent Point

[Griffy]

17. totally agree.. change belief to fit factsOR change facts to fit beliefs!

Part of what Im working to bring to light.. the 2 streams of info!

[Nordmadr]

13. It sickens me to see

how Scarborough (sp?) went on after the Doc was gone, to go on to insinuate that some Doctor's are frauds or "paid guns"...but not to say that this Doctor was. What a schmuck! You wouldn't throw that comment in there after that interview if that was not exactly what you weretrying to indicate, and by phrasing it the way he did he probably covers his ass against any kind of slander. Quite the "lawyerly" way to protect himself, but still put out his sleezy fucking point. Now that aggravates the hell out of me. Anyone that comes on there not willing to take any shit and point out facts is branded as being biased. Now that is the pot calling the kettle black.

Olaf

[Griffy]

14. He's right.. SOME people are paid to LIE ! and THAT he knows for a fact!

Since that exactly what he does... oh the irony!

[HughBeaumont]

15. What a damned BLOWHARD Scar-burrower is.

Typical of all continuously interrupting, Bush-salad-tossing, Republijocks like Hannity, O'Lielly and Savage. Amazing that he would actually question the word of a professional and then try to destroy his character when he can't defend himself. GE and Republi-soft are shameless in their defense of this simian.

[ourbluenation]

20. ya know - these people need to be careful what they ask for...

If they were to somehow be successful at convincing someone to put the tube back in long enough to re-examine her today, it would just be GLARINGLY obvious to all that she left us 15 years ago, and these righties would look like sadistic tools for extending her misery. They should be very careful of what they ask for.

[Al-CIAda]

18. aces!

:thumbsup:

[grannylib]

19. That was the BEST! I finally saw the video today at work and it was

awesome. WHY does Joe Scarborough still have a JOB? If failing to check facts was grounds for firings at CBS, why the hell is he still employed? He has consistently lied about (or used inaccurate sources, or failed to check the accuracy of) numerous points just in this latest distraction of the Schiavo case.

Think of how well-informed the public might possibly be if the Poodle Press spent one TENTH the time on facts about substantive issues that they spend on Jacko, Scott Peterson, Martha's poncho, and all that crap?
*sigh* I suppose nobody would watch, it's all about ratings. Most of the sheeple in this country obviously don't WANT to be educated about anything; they are knee-jerk ideologues, anything but the facts, Ma'am.

[dflprincess]

22. Article in today's Star Tribune about Dr. Cranford

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/5319583.html

[NightOwwl]

23. "I out-Scarboroughed Scarborough."

I attacked him before he attacked me," Cranford said the next morning. "I don't normally do that. But I was in an attack mode."

No legitimate neurologist in the world, he says, would look at the evidence in this case and dispute that Terri Schiavo is in a permanent vegetative state. That means the thinking part of her brain no longer functions. Tests show that her brain has shrunk, he said, and that there's no electrical activity in the organ at all. "Zip. None."

On Tuesday, he decided it was time to "combat fire with fire." Working with the Schiavo camp, he started distributing images of Terri's brain scan along with that of a normal woman. The comparison is so stark, he said, that even laypersons will see the difference: "It's pretty easy to see which is Terri's and which is not," he said. "We should have done this before," he added. "But we never knew it was going to accelerate to this point."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1556/5319583.html

Great article. Thanks for posting.

[Kinkistyle]

26. Unnamed "congressman" wanted to charge him with perjury?

From the article:

A congressman even suggested that he should be charged with perjury for saying that Terri Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state, Cranford said. "I said, 'bring it on,' " he said. "Charge me with perjury. Please, please, please."

Why the heck is the article hiding the congressman's name? Does anyone happen to know which Congressman they are referring to?

[Kber]

41. Hey - who the F*ck does this "doc" think he is?

Using sciende and medical fact to dispute faith based claims and all.

Help - my religious beliefs are being challanged - get out the pick forks and torches!

//sarcasm off now.

[Griffy]

28. GREAT.. nice follow up, glad we can count on him to call BS what it is! nt

[LibertyorDeath]

24. Kick

[flygal]

25. Love it - Thanks!!

How on earth can these idiot "reporters" attack a dr. like they know more. And idiot Scarborough - Lisa was being attacked because she is STUPID!! Asking about the catscan that's been front and center in the news all week - duh! Good for that dr.

[oxbow]

27. EXTREMELY unethical of Mr. Scarborough as a journalist

I expect MSNBC to have higher journalistic standards than this. They are well aware that it is a breach of journalistic ethics to continue
arguing with someone who is not there to defend themselves. I expect
an on-air apology from Mr. Scarborough at the least.

[Griffy]

29. LOL .. u expect an apology? really? it was on purpose.. no apologies..

will come from them... they lie and distort according to the talking points! screw them.. we must fight proppaganda! There are many ways... this is our top priority IMO!

[Clark2008]

40. Joe is not a journalist

He's a former lawyer and congressman.
As an attorney, you'd think he'd know the law on ethics, but he has no formal training as a reporter.
This is part of the problem with the corporate media, as it relates to TV talking heads: most all of them are not reporters.
Now, the bubble-headed reporter asking the questions - I don't know her creds, but she clearly didn't research the story or she would know there were CAT scans readily available.

[Griffy]

46. Joe does know.. She knew too.. you might miss the point of PROPAGANDA!

You see part of the stink the other side is being feed relates to the medical examination, and why certain scans were done and others not. Its being used to create doubt in the sheeple that watch and make them doubt that Terri was in a PVS. Joe knew the facts, but he has an image he is trying to hold... in this case he wants to cast doubt on the medical community if it says Terri is braindead. I swear to you all.. the reason any of the country wanted her to live is because they thought she was in a coma.. or responding! I mean..I TOO would be outraged if they stopped feeding a person that was responding.. talking even! I swear people in this country believe this, its sick and twisted and joe is an evil man for knowingly misleading part of America to keep his ratings up and his "feeding tube" in!

Our country is in desperate need of integrity!

[Carolab]

30. Dr. Cranford was my neurologist a few years ago.

I suffer from cluster migraine headaches and was referred to him at HCMC (Hennepin County Medical Center). While hospitalized with an unremitting, five-day attack, Dr. Cranford assembled a 10-person team to review my case, and make a variety of recommendations for treatment as well as to conclude (finally, after years of misdiagnosis) that I indeed do have Type 1 cluster migraines. This guy is tough, he is thorough, and he is a widely recognized expert neurologist. They are messin' with the wrong man.

[NightOwwl]

31. He sounds like an extremely sharp, intelligent man.

But since Joe had his doubts, well, I'm not sure I want to make a final judgment. <sarcasm>

On a serious note, I hope you have gotten some relief from your migraines.

[Carolab]

32. Thanks to the new triptans I have, yes. And thanks for the good wishes!

eom

[NightOwwl]

33. Cool!

I'm very happy for you. :7

[cthrumatrix]

34. so refreshing to see these "rw scare mongers" shown for who they are.

[mzmolly]

36. One thing about Scarborough is that he has tough opponents on his show.

He got smacked down good last night by a former female judge (Catherine Crier) but she was very articulate/unapologetic and had immense knowledge of the Schaivo case.

http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/crierlive/bio.html

[rocktivity]

43. Here's a link to the Crier beatdown

courtesy of Crooks and Liars.com. I guess this just hasn't been his week.

:headbang:
rocknation

[mzmolly]

44. Awesome!

The one thing I like about Joe, is that he lets articulate people who disagree with him speak ... Unlike "Shuddddddup OReilly"

[ElectroPrincess]

37. Nominated. Yes, I've also sent it to everybody I know. Thanks! /eom

[Clark2008]

38. We should all start sending pics of the CAT scan to Joe

[e-mail]

Wouldn't it be funny if he opened up his email to find hundreds of these:

[rocktivity]

42. I wish I'd read the article before viewing the video

His instant obnoxiousness really turned me off, and I coudln't understand it because he had the facts on his side. But now I do. And do you know of any MSM shows that showed those two CAT scans?

:headbang:
rocknation

[Roland99]

45. WOW!

[Delphinus]

48. My God ...

what an idiot (Scarborough)! I don't have any cable news, and I can see I'm not missing much. Stupid, stupid, stupid!!!

[John_H]

49. Can you imagine?

I know this is not a political issue and who knows whether cranford is a rethug or a dem, but can you imagine what would happen if every mediawhore know that this was in stroe for them every time they tried to shill for chimp in the presence of a dem surrogate? You'd se a farier media in about three weeks.

Sadly, since the dem message operation is still run by eighth grade prom kings and queens this will never happen.