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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:02 PM Original message |
This is a unpopular post, but I do not care-blast away! |
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Kire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. no flames here |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I am sorry for the rant! |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. Have you not read |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. As far as the cold drink-I think I must be needing some more |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do you want Congress... |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. I understand this, but |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. LOL! |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
63. Is anyone threatening your young adult on tube feed? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Nineteen judges disagree with you. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. The family of Terri stated that she responds |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Bullshit. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I've seen families like that all too often |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. The so-called responses are called reflexes. |
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alcuno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Here's the reason he stopped the videos. |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. All of that was raised to the judge, again and again and again. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nah. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
38. alert is my friend. |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Passed. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. raisenettes |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Done. :) |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Here you are |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Sadly there are no Blue Ones |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. No blue??? |
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TheWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 01:41 AM Response to Reply #80 |
109. I shall. :) |
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Wonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. You're right that simply because someone is being tube fed |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Well you tell me how you feel when you miss a few meals? |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Are you reading these posts?? |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. You think this is sick? |
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Wonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 02:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
111. Unless Terri lives to 90 it'll be open season on all disabled people? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. Dr. Grupta just said she is not sentient . She doesn't have a cerebral |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. It is not about tube feeding |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Show me where Terri signed this living will please! |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Nineteen judges have said that was her wish. |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. Also it's going |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Advance directives and living wills are recent things. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. "12 different specialist have stated that Terri is not brain dead!" |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Watch the interview of the brother! |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
99. Not exactly a non-biased source. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. You can say what you want, honey. You have an insight but you |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. If Terri is gone, then why does the family memebers that are |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Because they are selfish monsters who care more about |
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alcuno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Her own father testified that he would cut off both legs and arms |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Yeah, isn't that sick? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Gotta disagree with you there |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. They are not facing reality |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'm trying to understand your position |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. yes, if Terri herself made this decision |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:29 PM Original message |
Written advance directives and living wills are recent events |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
57. You're right. I never thought about that. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. But what happens when someone claims the person isn't of sound mind |
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alcuno (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. Her cerebral cortex has been liquified. |
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deadparrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
14. I disagree. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. remember when the comatose woman who was pregnant had to |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
20. I've known fully conscious and cognitively intact |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. And it's none of your business or mine |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. First |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
50. Yes but her parents can! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. So sorry, spousal rights rule. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. I'll Disagree, But Not Flame |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. my eighty year old aunt lost her daughter thirty years ago and it |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. How Horrible For Your Aunt |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
49. With the republicans |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. it's hard for me to believe anyone would want to live that way |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
30. My grandmother has a feeding tube, BUT... |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
41. My sick mother went into cardiac arrest |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. hugs to you over your mother. That is it in a nutshell. The people |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Thanks. It was gut wrenching actually |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I've been through the mom thing too |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
89. "Especially for political gain." |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. I understand what is happening. It is just so |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
45. Good for you! my wife had been tube fed 2 times, no more |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. It's not about the feeding tube. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Well I said my peace. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. please try learning the facts |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. So you're done with the thread? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Deleted message |
Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Don't even go there? |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. No they are not RW statement |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Actually, they are falsehoods put out by her parents |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:57 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. yes ok, her parents know nothing about their own daughter! |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:01 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Well, you can 'feel' what you know, or you can learn the facts. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. Not any more. He has a common law wife with kids! |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. He is still married to Terri. He is still her next of kin. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Her husband wasn't the only person. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
103. That is the way I feel. |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
59. Well, I, for one, agree that her feeding tube should not.. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. I agree with you. |
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Connie_Corleone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Correction: 19 judges made the same decision. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. and I for one know that you don't know |
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jrthin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:46 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. I ask you, |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Yes I would if that was my wish! |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Believe me, if you were "there", YOU certainly wouldn't know. n/t |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Then if thats the case I would not care. But I feel this is not the case. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 02:03 AM Response to Reply #75 |
110. oh gee, now try to imagine ANYONE "wishing" to be "kept alive" |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
77. Congratulations everyone for the patience shown here |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
85. Not unpopular, just not supported by fact |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Well if tube feeding is also considered life support, |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. That's just ridiculous. |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. well then I guess you are in big trouble |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. If I cannot SPEAK or THINK or FEED MYSELF |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Well then run in and tell all of your loved one this! n/t |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Don't need to. HAVE A LIVING WILL FOR THAT. |
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trayfoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
92. I so SO agree with your post |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I understand your post. |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. They relied on MEDICAL OPINION. And LOTS OF IT. n/t |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 01:32 AM Response to Reply #94 |
108. Terri's wishes not to "live" like this were expressed to her husband |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
100. The doctors and courts disagree. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
102. Yeah - no flames. I think Terry is a rare case where there is some |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
104. Lots of interesting calls on C-Span |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. For real. This was a money fight between Michael and the Schindlers. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
105. No Cortex = Brain Dead. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-21-05 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
107. If you're keeping a brain dead kid alive with a feeding tube I will flame |
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