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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:24 AM
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The nerve and the disingenuousness of Republicans.
It's their modus operandi. They push these proposals that they know go against American values, and then they just deny and spin away our arguments.

I realize this is so old news. But it's gotten to the point where I can PREDICT how they're going to respond to our attacks.

Like this propaganda thing- "What's wrong with propaganda?....blah blah blah {insert BS justification here}"

They're just destroying everything America stands for. It's okay to start unprovoked wars and bully other countries. It's okay to commingle religion and government. It's okay to torture people. It's okay for the government to lie to its people. It's okay to change the House and Senate rules to suit your own purposes. It's okay to poison the environment we all live in, and protect corporations who should get sued for killing and maiming people. It's okay to use the Constitution to actually exclude people from their happiness. It's okay if not every vote actually counts. It's okay if our jobs get shipped overseas. It's okay if our kids don't get the health care that they need. It's okay if people high-up in the Bush Administration out our undercover CIA agents. It's alright for corporations to rip-off their workers. It's okay if the media becomes a propaganda arm for our corporate government.

It's all just a bunch of lies. I'm so goddamned sick of it. There is no America anymore. This country stands for nothing.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:36 AM
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1. I know what you mean
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 11:38 AM by rniel
You see something pops up and everyone says this will be thing thing that will bring them down. Then you watch the spin and shake cycle kick into overdrive and nothing sticks.

As soon as something pops up in the news you can usually see how it will be spun. It's like political judo. They use their opponents energy against them.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:44 AM
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3. Yup. It's the frustration created by that, and the denial of
the truth. It's disgusting.

There are good things that our country should stand for if we're going to be proud of it. And these people just don't give a shit.
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Newkophile Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:37 AM
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2. It's Okay
...to give huge tax breaks to the very wealthy while bleeding the middle class by cutting funds to the states for services that benefit the majority of its residents.


Great post above.:yourock:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:46 AM
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4. Ever see Wall Street?......."Greed is Good"
GREED IS GOOD :shrug: What more can one say, they are snake oil salesmen.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:51 AM
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5. Yup.
They're scum.

And then, to top it all off, when we get angry because of their bullshit and lies they have the nerve to call US hateful.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:51 AM
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6. Sure it does stand for something. Check it out
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FASCISM

In "Fascism Anyone?," Laurence Britt identifies 14 characteristics common to fascist regimes. His comparisons of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet yielded this list of 14 "identifying characteristics of fascism."

1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
<snip>

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
White House Fought New Curbs on Interrogations
US 'preparing to detain terror suspects for life without trial'
The Actual FBI Memo (pdf) Referring to the Exec. Order Authorizing Use of Torture
U.S. oks evidence gained through torture.
Congress Moves to Cut Aid to Allies That Support World Criminal Court
The Bush administration has concluded for the first time that some non-Iraqi prisoners captured by American forces in Iraq are not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions
House bill looks to legalize torture by foreign operatives
<snip>
US has at least 9000 prisoners in secret detention
al-Qaida Detainees 'Disappeared' : At least 11 al-Qaida suspects have "disappeared" in U.S. custody, and some may have been tortured, Human Rights Watch said in a report issued Monday.
<snip>

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
SB 24, Ohio law to muzzle "liberals"
<snip>
Cheney warns that if Kerry is elected, the USA will suffer a "devastating attack"
<snip>
How U.S. Attorney-General, a Christian Evangelist With Anti-Islamic Views On Record, Is Waging War On American Muslims
Dr. James J. Zogby: A co-ordinated and bigoted assault The anti-Arab campaign being waged today in the U.S. is an organised multi-pronged effort targeting a variety of Arab leaders, institutions and Islam.
Congressman: Muslims 'enemy amongst us'

4.) Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
<snip>

5.) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
The Bush Administration issues medical guidelines that rape victims should just carry the child to term
Bush refuses to sign U.N proposal on women's "sexual" rights
Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 failed to provide any exception if a woman's health is at stake.
Justice Dept. Demands Abortion Records
W. David Hager chairman of the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee does not prescribe contraceptives for single women, does not do abortions, will not prescribe RU-486 and will not insert IUDs. Hager believes that headaches, PMS and eating disorders can be cured by reading Scripture.
Bush Administration to Extend Health Coverage to Fetuses but Not to Pregnant Women
<snip>

6.) Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
<snip>
Chain of TV and radio station donates $300,000 worth of airtime to GOP candidates for free last-minute political ads
<snip>
In bed with the republicans and banning antiwar songs: Clear channel
The White House recently called the president of NBC News, to discourage that network from broadcasting interviews with author of book about the Bush family
Anti-Kerry film to air in prime-time Nation's largest TV chain orders all 62 stations to show movie without commercials right before election
War Pictures Cause Yellowtimes.Org To Be Shut Down, Again
US seizes webservers from independent media sites
Fibbing It Up at Fox
FOX News doctors AP reports to mimic White House terminology
If it's allowed to stand, an FCC ruling will feed media merger mania
Articles published by American outlets suppressed in their own country
Bush's war on information: US editors forbidden to publish certain foreign writers
<snip>

7.) Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses
<snip>
Picking up where Tom Ridge left off, Dept of Homeland Security issues another vague, non-specific warning
"We don't do politics in the Department of Homeland Security," Ridge said last year. Evidence suggests otherwise
On the heels of the Jeff Gannon story making it to mainstream news:
<snip>

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Tom "The Hammer" DeLay says U.S. need not separate church, state
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Saturday that people of faith should not fear being viewed by "educated circles" as "fools for Christ."
Christian Coalition of America founder Reverend Pat Robertson echoed the Bush administration's misleading crisis rhetoric to hype the need for Social Security reform and made rosy predictions about the results that a privatized system would produce.
<snip>
Falwell says evangelical Christians now in control of Republican Party
Arkansas House Rejects Affirming Separation of Church and State
Religious networks broadcasting Bush's White House prayer event
Thou shalt be like Bush: What makes this recently established, right-wing Christian college unique are the increasingly close - critics say alarmingly close - links it has with the Bush administration and the Republican establishment.
Presidential Prayer Team
US is 'battling Satan' says general
US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush
Park Service Continues to Push Creationist Theory at Grand Canyon and other nat'l parks

9.) Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
The Treasury Department provided assurances that the United States would not obstruct two companies' plans to import millions of barrels of oil from Iraq in March 2003 in violation of U.N. sanctions, according to an e-mail from one of the companies.
Off the Hook: Deferred Prosecution Agreements On the Rise: Ten major American corporations settled serious criminal charges with deferred prosecution, no prosecution, or de facto no prosecution agreements over the last two years
Bush Economic Forum on U.S. Legal System Is a Rehash of Lies and Distortions: Nonpartisan, Independent Data Show That Businesses File Four Times as Many Lawsuits as Consumers, There Is No “Tort Tax” and Lawsuit Filings Are Down
Halliburton, Bechtel, and the Carlyle group: Why were lied into war
Bush's talent for cronyism: foxes guarding the henhouse
Bush Administration Exempts Oil Industry From Clean Water Act
Controversial drilling method may be protected: Energy bill compromise would exempt 'hydraulic fracturing'

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
Basics on New Financial Reporting Rules for Unions Proposed by the Department of Labor
<snip>
Congress and the Department of Labor are trying to change the rules on overtime pay, eliminating the 40 hour work week, taking eligibility for overtime pay away from millions of workers, and replacing time and a half pay with comp days.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Republican legislators beginning the purging of the liberals in Academia
Bush's new economic plan cuts funding for arts, education
NEA vows to undo President Bush's education programs
Artists from all over the world are being refused entry to the US on security grounds.
In a highly unusual use of the USA Patriot Act, which its creators say was designed to prevent terrorist attacks in the United States, The New York Times reports that three artists have been served subpoenas to appear before a federal grand jury June 15

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
Report: Thousands wrongly convicted each year: Thousands of suspects unable to afford lawyers are wrongly convicted each year because they are pressured to accept guilty pleas or have incompetent attorneys, the American Bar Association says in a report.
<snip>
9/11 Intel Bill Expands Powers of Patriot Act and "Politicizes Intelligence"
U.S. Patriot Act Summary of fascist parts
EFF Analysis of "Patriot II"

13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Bush Cronyism: Foxes Guarding the henhouse
Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush
Big Iraq Reconstruction Contracts Went To Big Donors
Bush Wars -- Crooks Get Contracts : The main companies that were awarded billions of dollars worth of contracts in Iraq have paid more than $300 million in fines since 2000, to resolve allegations of fraud, bid rigging, delivery of faulty military equipment, and environmental damage.
<snip>

14.) Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed: Suddenly, all of the Triad systems used to calculate scan votes in Ohio appear to need a patch.
Ohio's Odd Numbers: Are the stories of vote suppression and rigged machines to be believed? Here is "non-wacko" evidence that something went seriously awry in the Buckeye State on Election Day 2004
Consultant who destroyed Democratic voter registration forms says his GOP clients are "very proud" of his company's actions
RNC funds voter suppression efforts in at least 5 states
Republican judge upholds RNC efforts to supress Democratic party voters
Bush campaign chairman quits over illegal phone jamming
the 2000 election
How To Rig An Election In The United States
Scoop: Diebold Memos Disclose Florida 2000 E-Voting Fraud
Because of a Help America Act passed after the 2000 election, by 2006, every state will use e-voting.
Election officials all over the country are erecting illegal barriers to keep young voters from casting ballots. From New Hampshire to California, officials have designed complex questionnaires that prevent college students from registering, hired high-powered attorneys to keep them off the rolls, shut down polling places on campuses and even threatened to arrest and imprison young voters
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:52 AM
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7. Thanks, that always makes me feel better.
;)
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dandrhesse Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:00 PM
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8. One of my senators is Feingold and this morning I was just thinking that
he is doing a great job because I don't really think about him. He is smart and he votes his conscience. If I disagree with a vote or stance invariably he issues a statement as to why he voted the way he did etc. Then I was thinking that I am sick and tired of all of us having to do the work of the Senate, the GAO and the Justice Department. If the Republicans in the Senate and House plan to let GWB do whatever he damn well pleases, then they should save us the time and energy and also the money. They should just close down the DOJ, the GAO and the Senate and House. They have voted for whatever big business and GWB has told them to, so what do we need them for? They are costing us money and time. Just drop the pretense and give the money to the treasury instead because they aren't doing a damn thing to help us.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:02 PM
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9. Those who make peaceful change impossible...
n/t
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:10 PM
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10. Just to confirm what was already 100% Totalitarian Certain to be true
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35010-2005Mar14.html?referrer=emailarticle

Propagand is OK, traitor!

Do you dare stand against PARTY and FUHRER?

:puke: :puke:

Our beautiful nation, gone. Gone forever.
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