Hillary Clinton, Santorum, Brownback & Lieberman against TV sex &violence

[Ian David]

Hil gets an odd pal in battle vs. sex TV

BY MAGGIE HABERMAN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton stood with one of her most conservative colleagues yesterday to announce a bill to curb sex-and-violence-drenched TV shows and video games.

Clinton (D-N.Y.) has several co-sponsors - including Sens. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) - for the bill, which would provide government funding to closely study the impact of such video games and shows on kids. But it was conservative Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) who caught the eye of political watchers.

At a Kaiser Family Foundation event before a news conference, Clinton, who's believed to be eying a 2008 White House run, called the proliferation of violence and sex in the media "a silent epidemic." Clinton, Santorum and the others submitted a similar bill last May, but it went nowhere.

Some observers believe Clinton is ratcheting up overtures toward the political right for '08; Santorum is a leading Senate conservative and a lightening rod among gay activists for his anti-gay marriage beliefs.

More:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/v-pfriendly/story/288521p-246977c.html

[MidwestTransplant]

1. Sex and violence against TVs are something we should all be against

[comsymp]

3. I don't like S&V either... best way I've seen to counter it yet

ON EDIT: I didn't, however, have a problem with Tipper's music rating crusade. Making information available to consumers (parents) is a far cry from censorship.

[MidwestTransplant]

4. I don't think you got my joke!

[comsymp]

8. Nope- at least not on first reading... tho to be fair

I have been known to abuse my TV, both physically and verbally. Guess my previous response should have been to the OP.

[pstokely]

57. Tippers crusade lend to cenorship

mall owners evicted Music stores that had songs on the Filthy 15

[ArtVandaley]

30. Caught that turn of phrase

And I agree, I'm not in favor of having sex with or beating up TVs either.

[sarcasmo]

36. Turn off your TV, why do we need Government telling us what to do.

[KoKo]

48. Can we "Turn off Bush or the RW? It's the same thing. They are cramming

stuff down my throat and in my face I don't want. Same thing with MSM...don't I have a say in America, too?

[KoKo]

46. I agree and I'm one of the more Left of the LW Dems here.

:shrug:

[cestpaspossible]

2. Study the effect of violent, false and irresponsible WH rhetoric on TV.

What effect does it have on our children to have the President promoting lies, terrorism, torture, and war as the solutions to our problems?

That's what they should be studying.


Hillary: :thumbsdown:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Hillary is "for the children". But, voted for the war that's killing them

Looks like the birds of a feather are flocking. Brownback, Lieberman and Hillary.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. I think Hillary has decided

that the best way to keep her power is to jump on the evangelical bandwagon.

[Dr.Phool]

14. I think the only way for us to regain power

Is to dump Hillary, Jomentum, Kerry, a couple of Nelson's and a few more sellouts.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

16. I agree

It distintly is looking like if the Democrats have any hope as a resistance party to the facist theocrocy currently morphing our government, it is going to have to be built from the ground up.

[tridim]

6. When are they going to talk about censoring the fundie channels?

Like the 700 Club? Hate in the name of Gawd is far worse than fictional violence on TV.

[Mass]

7. Of course I am against violence and sex on TV for kids

but who determines what is sex and violence.

I want to choose what my kids watch, not let the governement decide.

[CWebster]

9. Yet she is 100% behind the real blood and guts violence

in the real world.

Pandering phoney and rank opportunist.

[Beacho]

11. Woah! Such Brave Politicians

Reeeeeally going out on a limb there.

What a bullshit non issue.


Pander, pander, pander

[OneTwentyoNine]

12. Really?? Going to rid the TV of those ERECTION Levitra commercials?

http://www.levitra.com/consumer/erection_quality/erection_function.htm

Ya know you can protect your kid from seeing Howard Stern if you wish by merely not letting them watch or blocking the show.

How do you block that Levitra commerical with the woman drolling about A LASTING ERECTION when you have no idea when it will be shown next??

It doesn't come on at 10 pm,its run during prime time hours. So Liberman,Clinton and ass wipe Brownback from Kansas,what will you do about that commercial??

Probably OK,since its a big ass drug company making millions off of sex,horrible if someone like Stern makes millions off of sex.

[Andromeda]

34. LOL .........

I HATE the Levitra commercial and that drooling woman who talks about her partners erections.

Her grin just creeps me out.

[retnavyliberal]

53. It is the best marketing plan in history....

telling men a "side effect" is a 4 hour woody. Guys will be lining up around the block like the drug store was a soup kitchen.

[Dr.Phool]

13. I hated Al Gore for a long time

When he chaired the Senate Inquisition on dirty rock music lyrics. I loved it when Frank Zappa made a fool out of him and Paula Hawkins.

Now you have Chuck Schumer recruiting pro-life Dems, and forcing out progressives for the Senate next year. I thought we weren't going to run further to the right anymore.

I'm really getting disgusted with our so-called "leaders". There's 70 million people in this country that don't bother to vote because of this shit.

[cestpaspossible]

15. Porn Wars

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/FZ_Meets_The_Mothers_Of_Prevention.html#Porn

[KoKo]

47. Tipper Gore got a "bum rap." I understand that Zappa had many on his

side but that was a different time.

I think Tipper should have pressed harder and had a big discussion with Zappa. But even then they would have been apart. I went with Tipper...I'm not sorry. There need to be some limits when things go too far. What Tipper asked for was warnings. Hardly oppressive. People still smoke and disreguard the warnings. But, some take them to heart.

[TheWraith]

17. Oh, horseshit.

During my youth I saw a considerably amount of Looney Tunes--or, as Senator Sanitarium would call it, "Graphic violence, shootings, torture of animals and people including the use of explosives, sexual innuendoes, cross-dressing, self-injury, faked deaths, and other negative imagery." I think I turned out reasonably well. The only thing on TV that makes me genuinely dangerous is cable news.

I think that if somebody can't draw a line between fantasy and reality, then THAT is their problem, not that they're seeing too much violence on TV.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. Interesting--and nothing to say about the fake journalist

with a fake name who was a male whore who catered to other males, who had several web sites advertising his wares , connected his activities to the US Marines,called himself Bulldog, lobbed soft ball questions at press conferences and was addressed by his fake name by none other than our presidrent?

Nothing Hillary?

How much sex are you willing to ignore when it comes to the security of this country--a porn man, advertising to other men, in the know about Plame and had information about the invasion before anyone else. Nothing Hillary? Rick? Joe?

This is an issue that is softball playing, imo, Can't go wrong when it comes to family values.

There is so much more violence going on day after day after day--so much rape, and so much hatred as the result of this slaughter in Iraq and these willow heads are concerned about TV violence?

[sendero]

19. Alliance with Brownback?

Hillary has jumped the shark for good this time.

[TheWraith]

22. People say that every week around here.

She still has an excellent voting record.

[madfloridian]

20. It is not ok to team with Santorum and Brownback

And to trust them to decide what is porn and violence.

[Roland99]

21. Why doesn't Hillary just go ahead and change her party affiliation?

[Kitsune]

23. Is she trying to be hated by an entire generation?

Alienate the gamers, sure! We're only half in reality anyway!

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play my ultra-violent escapist murderfest video games just to spite these jackasses who consider it their personal mission to kill anything fun or interesting in the world.

[formernaderite]

24. My question amongst all the bitching....

If she does run in 08', and wins the primary...are you all voting for her anyway?
I've heard alot of stirrings amongst Green Party people lately....and let me tell you....they will heavily promote their candidate next time. If the democrats wish to call it quits and run her in the general, we're out of power for another 8 yrs at least.
Sorry, but I can't, no ...I won't pull the lever for her. Triangulation worked temporarily for Bill. We lost alot more because of it over time.

[Malva Zebrina]

28. No and I will not do it again

period.

[American Tragedy]

40. I'll just say that she had better not campaign on this issue.

Just as attacking firearm ownership enrages many gun enthusiasts, censorship of media and entertainment is a major deal-breaker for a lot of us, particularly those of us who lean libertarian.

[applegrove]

25. I think Sex & Violence are very dangerous to young minds -especially

boys who are so vulnerable to 'pictures'. Mixing sex & violence in games is bad. We know this stuff is bad for young minds. We have the proof. So who are we if we do not act on this information then we are negligent.

[madfloridian]

26. Santorum and Brownback should not be defining this.

Sorry.

[Malva Zebrina]

29. Mostly every single movie I have seen recently contains

violence. What? We are to go back to "The sound of Music" as the way that our media should go as far as entertainment movies go?

There is no alternative offered here by these four. That should give a clue as to their jumping on this family values schtick.

[applegrove]

32. I think that the video games marketed towards kids should be sex &

hard core violence free. And strict regulations on people under the age of 18 getting their hands on bad movies as well as games. As to after 18 - well nothing wrong with Quiten Tarantino. Kill Bill Vol 2 was amazing.

[Malva Zebrina]

33. So do the kids who buy these use their own money?

to buy these? Where do they get the money from, assuming they are in the ten to twelve year old age brackett or younger?

Is it only video games or is it also within the film industry with all of their "ratings" most of which warn against violence and language, that are publilshed before one watches the film?




Is is not up to parents to monitor that and not the good old boys in the Senate who I suspect are simply playing this game for all it is worth.

[applegrove]

38. Well I have not studied it but I saw a new story or two on some violent

anti-woman video game. And I know from experience with kids that a kid can pester a parent. Please, please. It is very hard to keep kids away from things that are marketed towards them. So - it would be nice if the industry did a little "ya - okay" and didn't hoist all externalities onto anyone but themselves.

That is the big question of the day - isn't it? If the most efficient delivery system is a market or a corporation and they wash their hands (by competition) of any responsibility... well then: DAM! I'd like to solve the problem using inefficient means and ways - the slower and least effective way the better!!! I don't think so.

And don't tell me to get some religion and home school my kids if I do not like it. I am saying there is a problem in the structure as a whole.

[applegrove]

39. It is like corporations want all the efficiencies to work in their favour

and then if any regulating needs to be done it should be done by something that does not interfere in their efficient and beautiful markets.

Corporations want to use the markets... but they do not want human beings to use the markets to meet their own goals. Human beings used markets for 10,000 years before the corporation was invented.

[American Tragedy]

41. Well, that's a failure of parenting.

Jesus, the government can't step in and regulate just because some people are push-overs. This is just another example of casting aside personal responsibility for one's own decisions, like those morons who sued Hershey's or whatever.

Anyway, you can't afford to give in to a whining child, because then they know that their pestering will be effective in the future. As with many situations in raising children, you have to operantly condition them by rejecting the behavior.

[applegrove]

42. So - the market is for corporations to use as a tool. But corporations

are not for humans to use as a tool. Humans have to go back to using customary law, etc. Thank you for clarifying that. Good to know that we has people have no rights to touch anything corporate. You can make a product that will jerk a kid's mind around - but Shhhhhhhh don't touch the market.

Why is it that you think I as a human being should not have at my disposal the same efficient tools as you do?

[The Gunslinger]

52. correct

I have a 10 year old and a 4 year old. I monitor everything. It's a lot of work. My 10 year old daughter has begged to have a tv in her room, but It's not going to happen. I brought home a game demo from Best Buy, too much violence and bad language, I threw it out. I'm doing my job as a parent. I dont need the government to do my job.

[Malva Zebrina]

45. LOL I would never tell you to get religion

as I am an atheist.

What I am questioning is: who controls the kid? The parents or the corporations?

[applegrove]

54. The question is what are markets there for to benefit? Our families our

or markets there to benefit the corporation?

The corporation is just a tool. If we follow your logic...pretty soon all the markets will get together and take over the USA government and say that it is not okay of corporations to be saying how deregulated the markets should be. That patent law, property law and fiat money laws all just interfere with the actual laws of the market jungle.

Quid pro quo: who are the markets there for in the end? Human beings or corporations?

[Mz Pip]

27. Love it when conservatives

try to control the "free market" they always hold so dear to them. Honestly, this will not go anywhere. The violent shows are popular because PEOPLE WATCH THEM. The violence will subside if people change channels or turn off their TVs.

Conservatives don't want the government to interfer on how they discipline their kids but they seem to have no problem yammering on about what we should be able to watch on TV.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[MrSlayer]

31. Don't these people have better things to do?

Like, I don't know, balancing a budget or getting us out of an illegal war or getting better healthcare? Instead they are going to waste time on this nonsense. Waste of tax dollars.

[American Tragedy]

35. I am so fucking sick of politicians trying to baby the American people

by obliterating the media and modes of entertainment that we choose to either enjoy or ignore. Consenting adults shouldn't have to live in a strictly G-rated world just because there are parents out there who are too negligent to take care of their own children's mental development.

[KoKo]

49. There's no balance in entertainment today just as in the Political MSM.

I don't want to watch crap or have my kids watch Realty Shows, Fat Shows...anything which demeans the average person. It's crap...All of it. We need balance so that there really is "CHOICE!"

[American Tragedy]

56. Then, KoKo, do not watch reality shows, or fat shows, or crap.

I don't like it much either.

[tsuki]

37. Hillary Clinton gave political cover to Santorum, not good for her

image.

[Jack Rabbit]

43. So am I and I've got a solution that doesn't require repressive laws

Image from Kill Your Television

[Cats Against Frist]

44. Instead of the blanket "sex and violence"

Why can't it be "stupid, pandering, low-brow shit," including everything from Reality television to Terry Bradshaw?

Why do people stand up for "conservative social culture," but no one stands up for "high culture?"

[proudbluestater]

50. Isn't this WHY we have the V-CHIP?????????

Hillary is just begging to never be elected again in this country.

I read in The Nation that the DLC is now DEAD. Are these fools trying to put it on life support now?

[AntiCoup2K4]

55. If the DLC is dead...

Then who is voting for all this right wing FASCIST BULLSHIT being passed through Congress lately?

[Warren DeMontague]

51. There are boobs on my tv all the time.

it's called Cable News.

[fujiyama]

58. Yea!

Let's have a man that goes raving about man on dog sex defining what porn is.

Healthcare, wars, opposing the admin, are all negligable duties, but oh my God! Theh Sex and violence on TV - Won't anyone think of the children?!

Stupid fuckin politicians.

Now why is this woman considered the front runner again?