List of Democratic traitors - House New Dems sell out on bankruptcy

[fujiyama]

Here's a letter they sent that pig Hastert:

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The Honorable J. Dennis Hastert
Speaker
U.S. House of Representatives
H-232, The Capitol
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Speaker:

We write to encourage you to bring bankruptcy reform legislation to the House floor as soon as the Senate completes its consideration of the bill. The New Democrat Coalition has backed common sense bankruptcy reform in the past and helped in passing the bankruptcy reform bill by overwhelming margins in the House of Representatives during the 108th Congress.

Over the last several years, we have worked to advance reasonable and balanced legislation that would require individuals who have the ability to repay their debts to do so, while preserving the important safety net of bankruptcy under Chapter 7 for those who truly need it. We believe that responsible bankruptcy reform embodies the New Democrat principle of personal responsibility, while at the same time adding important new consumer protections such as requiring enhanced credit card disclosure information and encouraging participation in consumer credit counseling.

It is our hope that the House of Representatives will consider this important piece of legislation in an expedited manner. We stand ready to work with you and our colleagues on both sides of the aisle to pass bankruptcy reform into law.

Sincerely,

Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher
Rep. Adam Smith
Rep. Ron Kind
Rep. Artur Davis
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy
Rep. John Larson
Rep. Stephanie Herseth
Rep. Dennis Moore
Rep. Mike McIntyre
Rep. Joe Crowley
Rep. Jay Israel
Rep. David Wu
Rep. Diane Hooley
Rep. Melissa Bean
Rep. Jim Davis
Rep. Harold E. Ford, Jr.
Rep. Ed Case
Rep. Jay Inslee
Rep. Shelley Berkeley
Rep. Gregory W. Meeks
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A bunch of corporate whores. All of them. They shouldn't get another dime for anything. They shouldn't get a vote for anything. Even winning is worthless if this is what they'll do.

BTW, here's where the letter is from.

http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml

I am assuming that the letter is part of the public record so it can be fully printed here.

I'm surprised that TNR isn't even backing this. They actually have some sense. In another article they said "Given the credit card industry's marketing strategies--including documented campaigns targeting minors--this complaint is akin to drug dealers whining about their buyers entering rehab".

I thought it's a great analogy.

[katinmn]

1. Shame. May they all be ousted in '06!!

:evilfrown:

[fujiyama]

4. Frankly

at this point, I don't care if these fuckers get replaced by a repuke - in fact, I WANT them to be punished. I used to try to defend red state dems on social issues, but not on something like this. They deserve it for selling out the American people.

This IS the real fight. It's not SS, contrary to popular belief. I'm starting to think the SS privatization is a diversinary tactic to get Dems worried about something - have all resources focused on that - meanwhile ram through shit like this which will have an impact for years to come.

[tx_dem41]

6. So you want us to lose these 20 seats to the Repubs in '06?...

Putting up opposition in a primary is one thing. Not caring if a Republican wins is another.

Nice thoughts on a Democratic board.

[BlueEyedSon]

7. If they are voting as repubs, the seats are already lost.

Maybe DU is a "progressive" board.

[tx_dem41]

9. I think that issue has been discussed before...

...and settled. Have you researched the entire voting record of each of these 20 representatives? Have you compared it vote-by-vote with a conservative Republican's? I know if given a choice between ONLY those two, I wouldn't pick the conservative Republican's. Obviously, some on this board must feel differently.

[fujiyama]

10. Those seats

are already lost as another poster said.

If you are so idealistic as to believe anything can be achieved in congress with Dems like this, then you are deluded. This is what is giving this administration the power - if Dems don't stand up on this, what the hell will they stand for?

We made excuses for IWR - they had to appear "tough on NS" even though a majority here knew it was bullshit.

We made excuses for Condi. Some even did for Gonzales.

Not anymore. Our party members must be held accountable also.

[tx_dem41]

11. Then, as I said in my first post, OPPOSE them in the primary...

...are do you want to exert that effort? Why you are pulling for any Republican to beat a Democrat (much less 10% of our seats) is beyond me!

[fujiyama]

16. Don't get me wrong...I agree with you

It would be best to make it clear in the primaries - these people deserve to be challenged.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want a puke winning the seat, because pukes unanimously support this bill.

But I personally would find it difficult to vote for someone that was in favor of this.

[katinmn]

18. ahem. What is the difference between corporate owned Dems and

Republicans. The Dems are worse because they lie to us.

[tx_dem41]

23. Their voting record is a matter of public record.

Why don't you take the time to study it? Then, study a conservative Republican's. You will see a lot that makes you angry, but you will see a difference. Feel free to oppose them in the primary, I'll most likely agree with your choice. Unlike some on this thread though, I will never ever though pull for a Republican over a Democrat, given the state of the two parties presently.

[katinmn]

24. I do study their voting records, and who they take money from

Further, wanting to replace a corporate Dem is not the same as endorsing a Republican -- something I would never do.

[niceypoo]

26. Many peoples lives will be ruined because of this.....

...Crap. Oust the bastards.

[Why Syzygy]

2. What?

enhanced credit card disclosure

I don't even know what's going on here!

[BlueManDude]

3. the dccc called me the other day - i just laughed n/t

[acmejack]

8. DCCC...

I replied to their last plea for more cash with a lengthy letter explaining just what my problems with them are. I made it clear they would never get another red cent (or more properly, a blue cent) from me until a big shift in their priorities takes place. They are almost all corporate sell-outs. We have to get the lobbyists and their tainted money out of politics.

[BlueManDude]

14. why give them $$$ when 1/4 to 1/3 of the caucus votes GOP?

at this point I'd rather have less members with more party loyalty than more members with no party loyalty.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. I trust that...

The congressional staffers who are tasked to read DU are taking notice of the anger and frustration that presently exists in the party base, over this letter and subsequent votes. I also hope that they are communicating said anger to their employers.

If they are not, for any reason, or if they are spinning this by minimizing the importance of this anger by blaming the elucidation of said anger on "a few sore-tailed cats", verily they are useless as tits on a boar hog.

Wake up, you beltway sonambulists. The last thing you want is to be receiving fire from behind you. You are receiving enough fire from the front.

Get the hell out of that bell jar that is Washington. Get out into the real world. Get some facts and education on the ground. Leave your pre-conceived notions at home. The reality is far different then the fantasies you ascribe to and the situation is a lot more fluid than the conventional wisdom suggests. Keep this sort of thing up, and you are going to find yourselves facing debilitating primary battles that will leave blood and body parts strewn across hell's half acre.

Is that what you really want?

You cannot govern if you know nothing about the people you govern. At least for long. For we will throw your happy asses out.

[charlie]

15. If you visit Freeperville

you'll see that they're decidedly not happy with this bill either. So here we've got the weird spectacle of NDC Democrats chanting GO GO GO Repubs, tell us when you're ready, we aims to please -- for a stinky chunk of legislation even Freepers can't bear. Talk about having a political tin ear...

And I guess when the wreckage from this bill reaches mass, we won't get the chance to nationalize it into a Dem vs Repub issue, since these happy clowns made it "bipartisan." Thanks, guys.

[fujiyama]

20. I'm sure

they don't have a staffer reading this site or any other liberal blog for that matter.

After all, remember, according to From and other DLC heads, we are "liberal elite" losers on the internet.

We should go and eat at fuckin Applebees. That's what one of those consultants said - Dems should go eat at AppleBees! Yeah, the fuckin politicians can afford to eat that shitty food. Most people - can they afford a place that charges $7 for a fuckin appetizer very often?

Real world? The real world to those pols is getting a big fat campaign contribution. That's all it is to them.

They don't see people suffering. They don't see families that get broken by the stress. They don't see people chosing between a meal and health care.

[Why Syzygy]

25. I think

You should lead the parade! :party:

[QC]

12. I used to live in Artur Davis's district.

It's the designated "majority minority" district in Alabama and one of the poorest in the country. The previous congressman was Earl Hilliard, who made the grievous mistake of publicly criticizing Israel, at which point large amounts of money from outside the district flooded into Davis's campaign. Who ever would have imagined that so many people in New York and L.A. were concerned about politics in the Black Belt of Alabama?

Anyway, that's how David got elected--with money from outside his district--and that might explain why he feels he can get away with this. So long as our "elected leaders" get their funding from someone other than their constituents, they are insulated from paying any price for selling out those constituents.

[tx_dem41]

13. QC....

I'm assuming that this is a very safe Democratic seat if its in the Black Belt of Alabama? If that's the case, Davis' vote is a disappointment, amplified by the devastating effect it will have among the poor.

[QC]

17. Yes, it's as safe a seat as any in the country.

Davis got the seat in a primary challenge--there's no way in hell a Republican could win that district. We could run Charles Manson in that district and win. So Davis did not have to vote for this bill in order to remain competitive, as would be the case if he were in a district where elections typically run 51-49.

Davis is just a cheap fucking whore, plain and simple, who was imposed on the district by outside forces and couldn't care less about the people he represents.

[fujiyama]

19. Thanks for the info

That is frustrating.

I remember once reading a post of yours where you mentioned how Dems could try to win back working class people in red states.

Well this was a chance - and they freakin blew it. This could have been framed as a simple case where the criminals (Enrons and Worldcoms) are not being held accountable (they can place their assets in trusts, etc) - meanwhile the average Joe that was laid off by those crooks gets shafted - not once, not twice, but three times. First he loses his job, then his medical insurance, then he has to declare bankruptcy, due to the bills piling up. Hell, this can be framed in so many different ways - by passing this, we as a society are being discouraged from taking risks. So much for that entrepeneurial spirit.

Rather than this, the party decided to play up SS (I have no doubt the pukes want this as well). As was mentioned it may have been a diversionary tactic....meanwhile they are able to push through real rotten legislation like this.

[QC]

21. You are telling the 200 proof, 100%, thrice-distilled truth here.

This bankruptcy "reform" shit is why so many working people will tell you that neither party looks out for them. They're right, because when it comes to policies that put the screws to working people, the Democrats can always be counted on to help--help the ones applying the screws, that is.

[atommom]

22. I have a rep on that list, and as disgusted as I am,

I still wouldn't have wanted him to have lost the race to the scary neo-con Repub who ran against him. Things would have been infinitely worse with that man in power.

I'm letting him know how I feel about this issue, but as long as he continues to vote like a Dem on other issues, I won't hope that he loses his job. I'm a Kansan, and we're lucky to have any Dem representation at all. :shrug: As always, your mileage may vary.

[zulchzulu]

27. A little Opensecrets on them proves they are beholden

Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher
Lobbyists $27,828
Insurance $24,200
Commercial Banks $20,500
Securities & Investment $20,300

Rep. Adam Smith
Lobbyists $27,245
Securities & Investment $22,150
Business Services $19,000
Commercial Banks $18,000

http://www.opensecrets.org

FOLLOW THE MONEY.

[Tinoire]

28. What a surprise! Where are all the DLC defenders who stalk Q's threads?

What? Not a single one here? How effing convenient. Color me effing surprised ;)

The New Dems have been about corporate welfare and corporate interests from the very beginning. No amount of paltry symboloc votes in favor of calculated wedge issues such as abortion should EVER make us forget that.

[madfloridian]

29. I even posted a thread, asking them to defend the actions.

I got no response.

I wanted to hear the answers, I really did.

[depakid]

30. Actually, the term "new" Democrats is deceptive

a more honest term would be "corrupt Democrats."

....or in this case, "stupid and self destructive Democrats," since the vast amounts of money that will now be transferred from the working poor into the coffers of those who overwhemingly contribute to (bribe) Republican candidates who run against them.

No one who voted for this bill deserves anyone's support- nor one nickle from the DNC.

[Tinoire]

31. I think the term we're looking for is Republican

They can swing all they want on a few wedge or swing issues but when push comes to shove and it's time to protect their money and corporate interests, their true colors come out.

No more co-habitation! Throw the bums out and start the INEVITABLE rebuilding now because their betrayals are only going to get worse and procrastinating will destroy us.