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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:17 AM
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Republicans may propose tax increase
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7112290/

pushing tax increase?
And, for the first time in years, Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) and other Senate Republicans are advocating increasing taxes — as a way to pay for a restructuring of Social Security. Bush has not ruled out backing the effort.

"What is different this year is deficits loom larger over the debate in the Senate," said Graham, who opposes extending some the Bush tax cuts he supported. "I believe senators will be more balanced in what we can afford."

Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan warned Congress last week that rising deficits beg new scrutiny of tax cuts. "Addressing the government's own imbalances will require scrutiny of both spending and taxes," he said.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:24 AM
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1. OK , Lindsey is going to hit the working class once again
The Republicans want to hit the working class with as much taxes as possible. He is with Bush in wishing to turn this country into a banana republic. The rich and the poor.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:29 AM
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2. Lindsey repelled me during the Clinton Impeachment, but
lately he seems to have mellowed and not afraid to break lockstep with the President (something that Bill Katkiller Frist will never do). Keep that open mind Lindsey. Any bricks that can be pulled out from under Dubya's castle will be welcome.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:15 AM
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7. Frist lost me completely when he lied about adopting cats
so he could perform experiments on them. What other groups does he deem as having so little value that he would lie about them and perform experiments on them? If this is not a Hitler value, I don't know what is. And people wonder why this administration is seen as fascists.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:28 AM
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9. I watched C-SPAN's coverage of the New Hampshire Lincoln Day dinner
tonight. Frist was the speaker. His speech wasn't that long - guess he was feenin for a cig! The speech was 100% Dubya-playbook. He blasted the Democrats for their threatened filibusters of those "well-qualified non-partisan judges Bush has nominated" (REnominated you idiot!)- yeah right, impartials like homophobe Bill Pryor and hang 'em by the balls Janice Rogers). He ended with "Freedom is on the Rise" - asserting that the Our Great Leader is responsible for upcoming elections in Palestine, Syria, & even (gasp) EGYPT! Hail Dubya! Bow Down all! I did detect a lukewarm & forced applause (probably not that he is a boring speaker, just that all the Pubs over-ate).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:30 AM
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3. read my lips
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:37 AM
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4. We all knew it was inevitable
* has done so much reckless spending (and lining his own pockets) that even the Repukes can't deny the fact. And who will suffer the greatest?? I think we all know the answer to that.

* is a thieving, murderous twit. It' about time the 51% wake up to he nightmare.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:29 AM
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12. I wish they would
but sadly they won't until they too have been hit. When their churches can't help them find jobs or a place to live and they're out on the streets or living in a hotel and they can no longer get on the internet and post at FreeRepublic whenever they want and they don't know when their next meal comes. I'd hate for that to happen to anybody but it's the only way. Even if their best friend down the street gets kicked out they'd just blame the person for being "reckless" or "lazy" and not think about good ol' Dubya. Even if one of them tries to tell they'd just be silenced and thrown out of the party and seen as a "traitor."
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 12:46 AM
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5. good for once it can be the tax and spend Conservatives
they have been so completely fiscally irresponsible, that the Repubs should have a turn raising the taxes and they can be blamed and mocked Gawd, what a terrible hole they have put us in. What a difference from the peace and prosperity we had five years ago. How different would all our lives have been if Gore had been able to win? I don't believe 9/11 would have ever happened.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:11 AM
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6. 9/11 would never have happened. Gore didn't need it.
Why would BFEE cause a 9/11 if Gore was president? They wouldn't have wanted his approval rating to go up.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 01:22 AM
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8. The GOP could care less about balancing the checkbook
In fact, they say not balancing the checkbook is good economic theory. Over drafts are good. Of course, we'd be tossed in jail for criminal activity by writing bad checks. But this is the GOP.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:32 AM
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14. I don't know why
but somehow they'll find a way to still blame our democratic senators even though everybody knows they have no power in anything. And I agree about if Gore was president. I was listening to somebody (I think either Bernie Ward or Guy James) and someone called in and said if Gore was president things would be very different. For 9/11 he would've increased security all over the place from airports to our ports and more people would've had jobs and the economy and surplus would've rose. Then he would've listened to France and Germany who tried to warn BushCo about BinLaden. Plus Gore already had experience on dealing with BinLaden from Clinton and had access to all the previous information and plans that Clinton had left for Bush that they ignored. Then he would've listened to Richard Clarke and they would've had a meeting. We wouldn't be in Iraq and none of our fellow citizen's and thousands of Iraqi's and other countries citizen's would've died. Things would have been SO much better. *sigh* :cry: I dream about that all the time.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:16 AM
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10. Well, it depends on which side of their mouth they are
lying out of. When asked if they will let the last tax cut (for the wealthy) go without making it permanent, they say that would be ridiculous because that would be a tax increase. But lately they have been floating the idea of a consumption tax, in which the burden would fall upon lower wage earners & the poor,supported by none other than Alan Greenspan.

Compassionate conservatism at its finest.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 02:40 AM
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11. The Republicans are weaving quite a tangled web for themselves.
Edited on Mon Mar-07-05 02:41 AM by Clarkie1
They are going to turn off a lot of their "true conservative" base with their fiscal irresponsibility. That leaves an opening for us we should exploit, but it won't be easy. We are going to have to think outside the box, and become the party of national security, economic security, constitutional security, and environmental security.

The conservatives like that word "security." They want to feel secure. We need a candidate who they can relate to, thinks outside the box, shares our values, and understands economics. A problem solver not beholden to any ideological agenda. We need a progressive thinker with an advanced degree in economics more than someone with a law degree.

We need Wes Clark.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:35 AM
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15. I do agree with a lot with what you say
but there are other people out there besides Mr. Clark. I do like him very much though. They are weaving a web. If people see their taxes go up I think they won't like it very much. Remember how greedy these people are. "Me me me" and "my money" is what they're about.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:29 AM
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13. Sorry, I gave (FICA) at the office.
Instead of increasing taxes, I suggest Republicans stop using the SS Trust Fund surplus to cover the national debt THEY created and put the money toward SS restructuring. It's still not what FICA was meant for, but it's a lot less of a rip-off than what they do with those taxes now.

Thieves, every single last one of 'em.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-05 03:55 AM
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16. Probably keep the tax cuts, while increasing payroll tax.
Or some evil shit like that.
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