Where is this support for HIllary coming from?

[TheFarseer]

No one on here seems very excited about her and I would think this site represents the democratic base. Yet, somehow, she seems to be the frontrunner in polls. What gives?

[Dookus]

1. She's clearly

one of the best-known Democrats in the country. I support her and would love to see her run.

You can't use DU as a gauge of which dems are popular across the country.

[Mr.Green93]

39. Hillary can not be stopped.

She will be the next President.

[Chicago Democrat]

57. I don't like her!

TOO CONSERVATIVE!

[Mr.Green93]

59. She is doing what

she has to do to get power. She is not 'conservative'.

[pauliedee]

87. She's a sellout....Kerry better

[OneTwentyoNine]

71. Bawhahahaha.....

Not with my vote she doesn't. I don't care for anyone who NOW finds "common" ground with lunitics like Operation Rescue.

[pauliedee]

88. She has no core, Kerry much stronger

ThankYou!!!! She sat there and told us how great this shitty war is!!@#$%^&** :argh:

[pauliedee]

86. Kerry is better than ANY candidate in the country

PERIOD!

[Domitan]

40. Just curious

How do you feel about her support for the Iraq War, and her support for the Patriot Act?

I've said this before, and will say this again: Hillary is the one to watch for in 2008. I mentioned this right after the 2004 elections only to meet utter disbelief here.

[pauliedee]

85. She has no core, Kerry much stronger

She has no core, Kerry much stronger democrat ....will beat them ..not kiss ass.

[Trajan]

2. I like Hillary ....

Im not too fond of her 'triangulations' of late, but I understand them, and I still like her ....

[pauliedee]

90. Triangulator is weak, Kerry still stronger

Fights the repugs....she sucks up to them

[pauliedee]

91. Triangulator is weak, Kerry still stronger

Fights the repugs....she sucks up to them

[mandyky]

3. Name recognition, and wishful thinking by the DLC

Joe Lieberman had "national support" for the same reason before the primaries really started, if that tells you anything about how accurate polls so far out from an election cycle are.

Personally I think Hillary does not have enough experience (she is a one term senator, after all), plus Senators don't do well running for President. I think Vilsack, Warner or richardson would be much better choices because they have executive experience.

[wyldwolf]

4. so the DLC is skewing the polls?

[mandyky]

30. No, that's not what I said , is it?

Wishful thinking on their part.

[wyldwolf]

33. no, it is what you implied

Original post:

Yet, somehow, she seems to be the front runner in polls. What gives?

Your reply:

...wishful thinking by the DLC

Yet, the polls do show Clinton as the front runner.

:shrug:

[mandyky]

55. Try posting the whole post I made

I guess you are a mindreader. I meant what I said, not what YOU _thought_ I implied.

[wyldwolf]

69. ok...

Original post:

Yet, somehow, she seems to be the front runner in polls. What gives?

Your reply:

Name recognition, and wishful thinking by the DLC
Joe Lieberman had "national support" for the same reason before the primaries really started, if that tells you anything about how accurate polls so far out from an election cycle are.

Personally I think Hillary does not have enough experience (she is a one term senator, after all), plus Senators don't do well running for President. I think Vilsack, Warner or richardson would be much better choices because they have executive experience.

Yet, the polls (which was the basis of this thread) do show Clinton as the front runner.

So, how did wishful thinking by the DLC effect those polls?

:shrug:

[mandyky]

79. Let's see who gets quoted by the media?

Wingnuts and the DLC seem to be the "only credible" sources.

While the polls may reflect Hillary ahead NOW, it is wishful thinking by the DLC. If the DLC thinks Hillary can fake right and retain support from young Dem activists (esp those for reproductive rights), I fear they're in for an awakening. We see how well ABB worked if there is no message to energize the base that can be passed on to independent voters. And next round, unless Jeb runs, there won't be a Bush to ABB. Hillary will have to earn it just like any other candidate, and it is too far out to claim her a front runner. If the DLC wants a shoe in Warner, Richardson or Vilsack would be much better because they've been governors.

BTW, Hillary was a Goldwater girl back in her day. Even Hillary will have to be ABB. And then there are these supposed swing voters she's supposedly trying to reach by her "adjusted abortion" remarks. If they are swing voters who listen to FOX or Rush or fill in the blank, do you REALLY think they'll vote for Hillary? As much as they still blame everything but their cold coffee on Bill Clinton? It is a DLC wet dream - Hillary doesn't have the experience and if she runs republican lite, she'll lose half the base.

[wyldwolf]

83. only "credible sources" for what?

While the polls may reflect Hillary ahead NOW, it is wishful thinking by the DLC.

No, it is factual that the polls reflect Hillary ahead now. It is reality. It isn't wishful thinking.

If the DLC thinks Hillary can fake right and retain support from young Dem activists (esp those for reproductive rights), I fear they're in for an awakening.

Funny. There are polls that state that Hillary leads but none to suggest what you just claimed. And I heard all manner of similar threats over Kerry (and Bill Clinton twice, as a matter of fact.) Just empty threats. NONE of the base will ever for third party over Hillary Clinton. THAT is a far leftist wet dream.

But you're certainly getting yourself worked up very early.

(Hillary was a goldwater girl. Dean called himself a conservative in college and governed like one, Kucinich is really anti-choice and wants an amendment banning flag burning, Nader is a union-buster, blah blah. If I had to list every Republican tie to today's Dems/liberals, I'd be posting all day.)

[mandyky]

89. You asked how DLC wishful thinking came into play

If you need it spelled out further, you can look it up.
I stand by my original statement, and subsequent posts, but one cannot explain to someone who pretends to be deaf, dumb, and blind or mischaracterizes what one indeed says.

"No, it is factual that the polls reflect Hillary ahead now. It is reality. It isn't wishful thinking."
And it was factual that Lieberman was ahead, how did he do in the primaries? Talk to me mid 07 and see if those polls say the same thing. It is 05, we are 4 months from the last presidential election, all polls on front runners for the next race, except maybe 06 midterms are wet dreams.

[wyldwolf]

96. I did, but you haven't explained it.

Sure, the DLC would love for Hillary to be the nominee, but that has nothing to do with the poll numbers.

All personal insults aside, our discussion was never about future poll numbers but whether today's numbers reflect DLC wishful thinking.

I don't think the DLC were the respondents of the poll.

[mandyky]

98. Repost of original post

Name recognition, and wishful thinking by the DLC = (not a cause for the polls)

Edited on Sun Mar-06-05 09:43 PM by mandyky

Joe Lieberman had "national support" for the same reason before the primaries really started, if that tells you anything about how accurate polls so far out from an election cycle are.

Personally I think Hillary does not have enough experience (she is a one term senator, after all), plus Senators don't do well running for President. I think Vilsack, Warner or richardson would be much better choices because they have executive experience.

and wishful thinking by the DLC was a quip of mine, not a reason for the polls, comprende gringo?

[Pepperbelly]

5. I disagree...

comparing Hillary's support to Lieberman will not be, in the final analysis, be the proper model to fit the facts.

[w4rma]

6. manufactured. (nt)

[wyldwolf]

7. now THAT'S wishful thinking!

[sendero]

48. I agree...

... outside of NY Hillary isn't liked by that many Dems and zero Reps.

The Reps are trying to use the media to select a 2008 candidate of their choosing. They might as well give it up, it's not going to work this time.

[stevedeshazer]

8. You won't have to wait long

Say anything negative about her and her supporters will show up in a hurry.

[applegrove]

9. People are looking at her numbers. The numbers must be adding up.

That is how you win.

[MADem]

10. Where did this originate?? At the very root??? From Faux News

And if not them, specifically, from "that crew." We know who they are. Beyond evil.

They have to grab her, stuff her full of straw, and then pummel the sweet Jesus Christ right out of her, in public, just to show their minions how very powerful they are, and how they are so...RIGHT.

But you have to do it under deep cover, so no one sees the original source. Classic disinformation. They tried it with Dean, damn near succeeded, only his youth corps in their scary orange burglar hats either frightened away the middle class, or they slept in and didn't do the hard work that makes the difference in tough primaries.

Then, because the designated whipping boy imploded, they had to scramble fast to do an unglamorous teardown of accidental candidate Kerry--enter the Shitt Boat vets (with a small v, they don't deserve a big one; they don't belong with those of us who served HONORABLY). It didn't have their usual finesse, that ugly campaign, but they squeaked it out with a little help from their friends (Diebold, E-Systems, etc.)...hey, desperate times called for desperate measures.

I'd laugh like hell if she decided not to play, and instead did something HUGELY devious, like throw her weight behind the machine, sit tight in the Senate, wait for, and help achieve, a Democratic Congress, and a Democratic President, and get her sweet ass a seat on the Supreme Court. Ha! Then she'd be in their faces for a good long time--she comes from good long-lived stock!!!

That would make the miserable bastards choke on their eggs benedict at breakfast, surely! And may they not have a swallow of coffee or juice to clear their miserable gullets! Every time they lose, it's 5-4, majority decision written by Chief Justice RODHAM!* Fuck 'em!!!

*They'd have to call her that, it's the name on her law degree!!!!

[Pepperbelly]

12. you know ...

Hillary, for doing nothing more than letting a word or two slip by here and there, could force these creeps to spend tens of millions of dollars AGAINST her mythical candidacy. She is firmly ensconced in her seat and she could play that game if she wished, hunker down and let the gales blow around her and WASTE an assload of right wing resources, monetary and outrage.

That is doable if she wants. Two or three words and the head-spinning fuckheads will piss away a ton of money against a strawman of their own creation.

:D

[MADem]

15. And assuming the "proper" senate

...and a clear thinking Democratic president, she's be a fine member of the SUPREMES--probably one of the best ever. Make ya forget about Diana Ross! When you say SUPREMES, you could think about Hillary coming on out in her fancyass robe!

Works for me!

[Pepperbelly]

16. the beauty is that she can make them jump through their asses ...

with a word or two.

Think about that.

The rat-bastards start getting some steam up, Hillary let's a word or two slip and the bastards are pissing away their resources all over again. Over nothing. Cost her two hot seconds and them tens of millions of bucks.

Cheif Justice Rodham-Clinton because that would piss them off about ten times as much. :D

[MADem]

18. No CLINTON In that "Chief Justice"

The MEDIA may call her that, but her name as a rep of the court is RODHAM....like it was before these middle earth/American dumbfucks DEMANDED that she be subservient to her husband and assume his name.

Hill does not have to say a word...all she needs to do is deflect the questions with her usual charm (I loved her standup spot with McCain in Iraq---she kept telling Tim "Media Whore/GOP shill" Russert that her earpiece wasn't working...after McCain stopped laughing, he started fiddling with his piece as well!). She has a unique ability to tell someone to FUCK OFF without actually so saying....

[TheFarseer]

19. Interesting theory

She could act as lightning rod and let other dems go without getting trashed by Fox for longer.

Won't matter though, Kerry got trashed and then when Dean pulled ahead he was getting trashed and suddenly Kerry was the best candidate, he was a good man, and had the experience to lead. Then when he took the lead he was a war criminal, a fraud, the most liberal out of touch wacko we could have nominated. Funny how their opinion suddenly changed like that.

[evilqueen]

24. oooooo... I like the way you think!

That would be TRULY devious... and ingenious too.

muahahahahahaha!

[zacho]

11. The media works off what people know,

it doesn't teach anything new.

[DrGonzoLives]

13. Conservative pundits

are hammering the airwaves constantly, quietly getting it into people's heads that she's the "frontrunner." The Republicans are desperate for her to be the nominee in 2008.

[hatrack]

14. It's a media wet dream - hence the Whore Hype

Their ultimate fantasy - Hillary vs. Jebthro. That way we can do "Clinton Vs. Bush - The Vengeance" for the next three years, with a potential rematch in 2012.

There's substantially more to governing than reducing every issue to a bunting-heavy edition of Family Feud, but you'd never know it to turn on the tee-vee or pick up a newspaper in the United States of Freedom-Land these days.

[TheFarseer]

22. They should play the Family Feud

and the price is right to see who is "in touch" with regular people and break a tie with Jeopardy to see who is smartest.

[zulchzulu]

17. The MSM Brothel is eagerly awaiting for her so they can massacre her...

...easily.

Is she left? Is she right? Who does her hair?

This is classic rope-a-dope games from the Repugs, who could think of nothing better than to talk about Clinton over issues of the day.

The first thing these guys do is sully the opponent's respectability when they need to take the eye of them. The MSM Brothel under the direction of the Repugs have this game already planned out.

Let's not walk into a trap.

[CWebster]

36. spot on. nt

[LSdemocrat]

20. This site does NOT represent the Democratic base

This site, however, does represent grassroots Democratic activists, who tend to be more to the left of the base.

[Robeson]

23. Agree.

[messiah]

53. Who's the base then

republicans?.

[LSdemocrat]

58. People who vote Democratic, but do not closely follow politics

They tend to be more centrist and far less ideological.

[HeatherG.]

21. Unrealistic Polling

I think that gallop used a poll that included half registered voters and half unregistered voters. This poll showed Hillary in the lead in a primary race. If gallop really did this, then that could explain the Hillary lead. Unregistered voters probably know less about politics than registered voters. Unregistered voters wouldn't know that choosing Hillary would be dumb strategically.

[high density]

25. The corporate media is trying to pick our candidate again (already)

This far out, these polls just serve no purpose at all other than to show who has more name recognition.

Corporate Media: Howard Dean is the nominee. We called it! All candidates not named "Howard Dean" need to just shut up and go away. (late December 2003)

Corporate Media: The Iowa caucus shows that everybody wants John Kerry. All other candidates need to shut up and go away. (late January 2004)

Democrats: OK, we love John Kerry! (February 2004)

Corporate Media: <Endless lies and misleading propaganda against John Kerry until election day>

Democrats: Hmm, that sucked. (November 3, 2004)

Corporate Media: The polls show that everybody wants Hillary Clinton! Sixty percent of the country wants to vote for a woman president! (February/March 2005)

[kodi]

26. you really don't know? its the big $ folk who bush scares the shit out of

you think she is getting the press because there is a grass roots groundswell?

no way. she is being floated by the MSM like a margerine campaign. she gains her well heeled money support from the robert rubin wing of the democratic party, viz., those who see that for western capitalism (and their bank accounts) to survive, the american government needs to be more sensible.

its them and the organs of public opinion shaping they control who are making hillary clinton the front runner. and they are doing it so soon in the cycle that i suspect that the $ people have already made their choice.

i suspect that anyone who thinks that a hillary clinton presidency will herald a reversal of the flow of wealth to the rich in this country is a crackhead.

same as it ever was.

more so.

[Nashyra]

27. I think the MSM are floating her name to weaken

her Senate re election, try to convince the people of New York not to vote for her because she will run for Prez.

[marcologico]

28. She's running a reelection campaign in NY, that's about all I can figure.

And it looks to the world like a presidential campaign, no accident I'm sure.

[K-W]

29. Not all democrats are DU'rs

Alot of the actual human beings in the party like her.

[dameocrat]

31. Name recognition

Joe Lieberman was ahead up till the campaigning started.

[Lexingtonian]

32. opportunism by the 'base'

There's a pretty consistent ~40%, if you look at the primary results of a year ago, who aren't ideologically too firm and vote for someone likeable and "strong" and ideologically a bit old fashioned, someone who caters to their feeling of being somehow powerless. I think Hillary is getting the Edwards and Clark supporters. But don't forget that most of the Hillary talk is by the Right, and in the provincialist imagination of the Right the country is politically all merely a scaled up version of Tennessee.

Around here you have people who are rather more ideologically committed than that crowd.

[CWebster]

34. Hype. nt

[Freebird12004]

35. I support Hillary! She has a helluva good mind.

That woman thinks with her head !

[Dinger]

37. I Like Hillary Too

I just realized that it isn't her I like, but the way the media is pushing her for 2008. I have posted here before and wasn't sure how I felt about her. I read her book, and she is a wonderful, intelligent, caring person.
I still have that negging thought though . . . it does seem like the repugs want her ever so badly. I like the idea that someone posted one this thread, that she sit tight, screw up the right wingers, and get on the Supreme Court. I like that, a lot.

[Freebird12004]

41. She's strong. She's intelligent. Definitely not a reactionary.

She keeps her wits about her when others around her act as if the sky is falling.

[pauliedee]

93. She's is phony and has got a fake laugh

[Freebird12004]

99. ho-hum

:boring:

[Pepperbelly]

102. what is your deal?

How the fuck can say someone is a phony or that their laugh is "fake"?

How much time have you spent with her?

[pauliedee]

92. She's a sellout....Kerry better

[Padraig18]

38. MSM drumbeating.

I don't knw a single person in real life who supports her for POTUS, and I am actively involved in Democratic politics in a blue state.

[GOPBasher]

42. Most Dems are not as involved as we are, so we're really NOT

part of the base. She has the most name recognition, so she's ahead in the polls. But that means nothing right now. Remember, we on this site are political junkies; most people aren't.

[Atman]

43. The MSM wants a Condi-Hillary run

They're drumbeating it all over the place. "The people" will once again be denied a real choice, instead being forced to accept a slate that has nothing to do with popular support or realism. Think about it...a BLACK woman running against a white woman...the repubs will be forced to vote for a woman either way, so they'll be able to dodge their "sexist" label, AND they'll be able to turn the "racist" label on us if we refuse to accept a black woman as president. Mark my words, that's the plan. Paint the dems as racist, while staging a historic girl-girl political mud-wrestling match which will be a HUGE ratings bonanza for them.

Mark my words. It's Condi/Hillary in 2008. It's not our choice, it's the media's.

[TheFarseer]

61. I almost think that is really possible

Republicans will get behind whoever big money gets behind and I have no idea who that will be other than not anyone they can't control like McCain or Hagel. They are so susceptible to smear campaigning it's distressing. Big republican money will smear whoever they don't like and it works like a charm most of the time.

Democrats aren't as susceptible to that but I think we will pick whoever is most likely to win. If we are told over and over again that that person is Hillary, we might buy it.

[Discord]

44. Please NO!

I have nothing against Hillary, but would NEVER support her as the Democratic presidential candidate. The largest demographic disparity is among white male voters. NONE of whom, who voted for * in '04 would even consider voting for Hillary. Reguardless of her politics, which this country has proven not to really give a shit about. They care about image, they care about smear. And those good ol boys who's critical votes we need to reach, would be pushed even further into the Red. Sorry, I don't want another Repug in '08. Vote NO on Hillary of '08!

[mattclearing]

45. Name recognition, pure and simple.

A first lady is extremely recognizable, and most Dems have a favorable opinion of her.

[LibDemAlways]

46. The Hillary hype is coming from the

corporate whores doing the bidding of the repukes who would do anything to get Hillary on the ticket, to make her seem inevitable. Then, watch the shitstorm they unload on her.

Hillary isn't dumb. I think (hope) she'll take a pass.

[HughBeaumont]

47. MSM/Rove/Luntz, picking our candidate as usual

and the wishful, bridge-builder, "want so desperately to set a precedent" dems, the poor, dumb sons-of-bitches they are, will fall hook, line and sinker into this stupid trap like they always do. GOD this is so stupid, people.

She will NOT turn a single red state blue. NOT ONE. She just may turn a few states red. Rove knows this. Fatass Roger Ailes knows this. The smarter members of DU know this. Why doesn't ANYBODY else want to accept this?

Folks, they're better at framing, dirty tricks and vote control than we are (possibly more to do with their easily manipulated and less-educated following than Daddy Rove's skill at it), and they will use this on Hillary so hard it will make the Swift Boat Frauds seem like a hand-slap.

Here's my question - why in the HELL is America so in LOVE with political monarchies?

[woodleydem]

66. Rove didn't pick our candidate in 2004--he wanted Dean badly

The right wing has been constantly attacking Hillary since 1992, and she has only gotten stronger. Much of the $40 million that Rick Lazio spent in 2000 against Hillary came from conservative right wing groups across the country. The attacks didn't stick. Whitewater, Vince Foster, etc...--those conspiracy attacks didn't work in the 90's, so why would they work now? I don't know if she can win a national election, but two things are certain: she is extremely politically savvy, and she has a top-notch political and campaign operation, something that couldn't be said for Kerry. It won't take her campaign three weeks to respond to a swift boat-like attack on her. But three years is a long time, so who knows what will happen. Maybe she won't run.

[theboss]

49. I don't really think this site represents much of anything

Based on this site, Kucinich and Dean would have been neck and neck for the nomination.

Hillary! is a celebrity. She has star power. I really do think she'll win the nomination fairly easily if she runs.

[bowens43]

52. Let's hope not because there isn't a republican alive

who couldn't beat her in the general election.

[Discord]

56. I hope deep down in my soul...

that your wrong about that. Because I really would rather a Dem win in '08 than another Repug. Which would be the result of Hillary running as the Dem candidate.

[HughBeaumont]

62. And I think she'll get defeated fairly easily if she runs.

No more than 230 electoral votes at best. The South and Central regions and rural Ohioans/Floridians will mobilize like never before.

Keep falling for the MSM/Ailes/Rove traps. Keep giving them the keys to the White House and our incomes.

[leesa]

50. She is being chosen for us by the GOP, just like Kerry was

The GOP has been putting her name forward for years now. They would LOVE to have us run her because they are certain she would lose, and even IF she won, she is conservative enough to continue their policies. She would probably pick a neoconservative like Lieberman to be VP.

[bowens43]

51. The must be polling right wingers.

She's their dream candidate.

[ScreamingMeemie]

54. The Right.

:hi:

[cestpaspossible]

60. DU does not represent the Democratic base.

DU represents the highly motivated online activist portion of the base, perhaps.

[shance]

63. If everything else is propaganda, what makes this any different?

Is it any surprise she's moving further to the right and clearly seeking to do so, and now corporate media is giving her media coverage.

[Mend]

64. I know Republicans who plan to vote for her....

southern, right-wing bush-voting Baptists, who really like her because they see her as someone who "cares about people". People are starting to feel the pinch and are angry about social security.

[OneTwentyoNine]

73. WTF...They didn't think Kerry "cared about people"?!?!??

Jesus,what a bunch of mindless idiots we having pulling levers. Thats all Kerry TALKED about were the PEOPLE of the US,not how we can help out yet another corporation.

Kerry talked relentlessly about raising minimum wage to $7.00 and higher,Repukes over the next few days will do everything in their power to defeat even a small raise.

NOW,these people are looking for someone who "cares" about them?? My God.....

[Mend]

80. No, they thought Kerry was rich and entitled and

they hated his wife. Just sayin'.

[AmericanDream]

84. Repubs for hillary? Good one!

Lol... tell me you're kidding... yeah, maybe they plan to vote for her in the dem primaries so that they can vote against her in the general elections. Even moderate republicans would never vote for her... there is little she has done in the past few months that shows that "she cares about people." She's doing fine as the NY senator (which is a blue, blue, blue state)... but i think that's where she should stay. I wouldn't mind her as a cabinet member though

[pauliedee]

94. Kerry a better choice and a GREAT leader

Kerry won the poular vote in the swing states...Can beat them....


She can't.......They hate her guts

[d_b]

65. TV land.

[Igotsunshine]

67. Across the spectrum.

She's winning hearts and minds all around. Just my opinion. Time will tell.

[Tactical Progressive]

68. Repubs are going to look as bad as Lazio when they try to trash her

Sure, Hillary will be hated by the right wing. They hate everybody, even war heroes and mild-mannered guys like Tom Daschle. So what. You can write those people off anyway.

But when they trash Hillary they are going to look like what they are to everybody else.

Don't worry about their nastiness towards Hillary. It's a fact of nature no matter who we put up.

Hillary will do just fine, and I'll support her 100%.

My feelings on the best ticket for 2008, three years out of course, is Gore/Clark.

[WI_DEM]

70. you mean nobody on DU is very excited about her

but I've met many people who are excited about her running--especially younger women.

[Riding this Donkey]

72. THEMSMSMSMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMSMMS

[ElectroPrincess]

81. Yes, the MSM is totally "dumbed down" and strung out ...

I don't watch any MSM save for News World International. However, like watch a B rated movie, sometimes I turn to CNN Headline News to see IF anything of importance is being reported by their bimbo talking heads. The answer - Not Ever.

It's almost as if some college upscale Republican Greeks have taken over the airwaves. By "Greek" I mean Fraternity/Sorority freshman pledges. It's constantly Barbie and Ken cutting-up and giggles galore. :P

Television Cable News has become like an seemingly never-ending debutantes' ball ... it's superficial beyond belief. I can only watch for 30 seconds MAX and then must turn this sick stuff OFF.

The horror ... USA Corporate Media. :grr:

[tjdee]

74. The Clintons are WINNERS. You know, like you want.

Hillary Clinton won NY in spite of the fact that she was a carpetbagger. Not too tough, since it's a blue state, but NY has a Republican governor and supposedly is so "hated".

People can talk all the trash about the Clintons they want, but until their sweet Deans or Kuciniches or Edwardses ( :) ) manage to win something outside of their comfort zones, the Clintons are still the people to beat in this party.

[pauliedee]

95. Kerry strikes fear in the GOP

Bottom line...They fear Kerry.....they're pushing for Hillary the triangulator

[tjdee]

100. Why?

He was never even polling that much higher than Bush.

I just don't get that.

[JI7]

75. i know people who love her

i would have no problem supporting her if she became the nominee.

[StephanieMarie]

76. Rove. He wants to set up the Dems for another defeat.

[lancdem]

77. DU is a great site

but it doesn't represent the cross-section of the Dem Party, which includes many moderates and even some conservatives. Remember, virtually no one here supported Kerry in the primaries and he won the nomination easily. The fact people here aren't thrilled with Hillary means nothing, frankly.

[ElectroPrincess]

82. Yeah, but without US, they can NOT win because we are the folks

who bust our butts to volunteer and help out these campaigns. You folks astonish me. Many of you must not mix with the Right Wing much at all. They HATE every damn fiber of her being and they are activists also.

Again, with respect, what part of "Hillary can't win." is so difficult for many good and intelligent folks here to process?

[Pepperbelly]

101. you speak that as though ...

it somehow makes it real. It does not.

Hillary is a formidable politician. Hillary knows more than ANYONE who posts at this site the depths to which the right wing will sink to defeat their enemies. She has been intimately involved in causing STROKES among gops.

That should tell you quite a bit about her.

She is at 70%+ approvals in New York. She is from the midwest. She spent a good chunk of her adult life in the South. She has the very best advisors possible. The only question at this point is if she has the fire in her belly to take it.

on edit: my BEST guess is that Hillary will end up on the Supeme Court. May she live a long and productive life.

[Vinca]

78. It's coming from the press.

I'm surprised they're showing so much interest, but apparently the thought of a Hillary/Condi cat fight is too much to hold back.

[Blue_In_AK]

97. Hillary has no support in my family...

...and we are five good democrats. I don't know who these people are who are responding to the polls.

[bush_is_wacko]

103. You still believe in polls?

Hillary is a HUGE sellout. she has always been one. Try reading about her legal opinions during the Nixon impeachment investigations. she basically rewrote the "Nuremberg defense" to prevent Nixon from being impeached. IMO it was just pure dumb luck that Nixon decided to resign. With Dem's like her who needs thugs?