CAN WE IMPEACH

[babsbunny]

HIM YET? We have Gannon, we have a stolen election, we have lies about WMD"s, just reported on Buzzflash, Bush signed order allowing CIA to outsourse torture, A record deficit, a bias media, etc. is that enough yet?

[nookiemonster]

1. Unfortunately, a repug controlled house nixes that idea.

n/t

[benburch]

2. Nope.

The American Fascist Party controls both the house and senate, and any impeachment effort is dead before it start.

To Impeach Bush, you would need to convince a huge number of members of his Party. And they are such ideologues that this will happen when hell freezes over.

[4dsc]

17. So lets win back the house in 2006...

Its never too late the battle starts now!! Actually the battle started 4 years ago and its just an ongoing process..

[borg5575]

21. That's a great idea.

However, the deck is stacked against us. If they can steal a whole presidential election like they have the last two times, they can certainly steal enough House races in 2006 to make sure they remain the majority.

As far as I'm concerned, there is almost no hope left for this country. That's why I am trying to emigrate to Canada right now.

[FreedomAngel82]

35. Even if

they wanted to they couldn't because of the neocons in the House would come out against that person and their career would be over and they'd forever be called a "traitor" and all the other nonsense. It's be too risky for them as well if any of them did want to. Think of what Rove would do to them.

[Jamastiene]

3. I say hell yeah, and can we at least get two

people in Congress to suggest it? If something doesn't give soon, I'm going to have to sharpen and spitshine my pitchfork and get a couple of torches ready then send for backup on the internet to stage an old fashioned town center protest.

[Jamel]

4. NO

We have a totally corrupted republican party, with the backing of a corrupt media, who will NEVER do the right thing. What I'm wondering is, "why aren't the protest organizations speakingg out on this"? There were a half million people in the streets of NYC for the RNC protest, and after this election theft, SILENCE. Not to belittle what they are doing now, (anti war protests,etc), but they're missing the point. We have to protest the fact that these people are illegitimate, they're breaking the law at every turn and destroying our country. Why isn't that a priority?

[ladjf]

6. The rank and file of Americans are working 40 to 50 hours per

week trying to keep food on the table and a place to live. There's not that much time left over to go up to NY or Wash to be part of street protest,which so far have been totally ineffective. If about 1/3 of all workers would quit their jobs and go full time into protesting, there is still little promise that it would kick Bush and thugs out. They are getting stronger by the day and are continuing to devise new ways to disallow Americans their rights.

I'm afraid that the tipping point of protest can only happen after about half of the working people are unemployed.

[Skidmore]

12. We need to appeal to the citizenry in very plain language--take the case

to the people, door to door, town meetings, etc. Plain language means to lay out a case without the fancy schmancy cutesy labelling we get into on these disscussion boards. No neocon death cult or arguments of ChristianTalibans or whatever. Just plain statement of facts to delineate illegal, immoral, and indecent behavior of this administration. Keep it simple.

[ladjf]

28. Great post! I agree with you and admire your direct , simple

approach. It would work. Right now it seems like the primary influences on Americans are (1) the media and (2) bad teachings by fundamentalist preachers.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. You're right

Also remember that the city of NYC protested the RNC having their convention there but they didn't listen or care. They still came anyway and acted like it was all honkey-doorey and the people wanted them there. How many here heard anything about that on TV?

[detroitguy]

5. I often wonder...

...how far Bush would have to go before his own party turned against him. My guess is that the GOP would stand with him even if he suspended the Constitution and declared himself king.

[DARE to HOPE]

8. Won't Gannon be the thread that unravels the sweater...

[nookiemonster]

13. It would involve the GOP admitting that they were wrong.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

[sellitman]

14. King?

He is our dictator alreay. Why go backwards ?

[blondeatlast]

20. Watch how fast the SocSec nix dies off...

Only to be revived after the midterms.

There are going to be a lot of Congress critters uncomfortable with taking a stand on what is turning out to be a (thankfully) losing issue. AZ's own wretchresentative JD Hayworth got quite an earful the other day, and the crowd WASN'T hand-picked.

We need to push this issue even if they abandon it temporarily, because I'd bet my house they try to drop it after he gets back from his little sightseeing jaunt.

Don't let it drop.

[patricia92243]

7. No. If he were a Democrat and had done 1/4 of the stuff he has done, he

would not only be impeached but might spend time in jail.

[fryguy]

9. only if we take both houses in the mid-terms

and then, given the politics, only maybe

[annabanana]

43. make that "the politics" plus:

[dbt]

10. I'm a frayed knot.

During the Great Clinton Witch Hunt, some talking head on one of the Sunday morning shows allowed as how an "impeachable offense" is pretty much whatever the Hou$e Of Repre$entative$ says one is. Fancy that nest of snakes lifting a finger against bu$hler!

[babsbunny]

11. whoops

I for got to add the attemped murder of the Italian Lady. I'm telling you, somethings gotta give!

[Padraig18]

15. Not without a majority vote, which we'll likely never get. n/t

[Discord]

16. my take is that...

a SUCCESSFUL impeachment would be unlikely.

But to me the process, investigation, and time consumption from an impeachment hearing would be invaluable. As long as they are busy defending themselves, it's less harm they can cause. Also, if by chance CLEAR AND IRREFUTABLE evidence is brought in from of the hearing commitee, they will not be able to support him as easily without thier own political backlash. The media can fail to cover or investigate many viable news stories about this administration that they know they should cover. An impeachment they can't deny coverage of.

[zann725]

41. Agreed! It is the effort that counts, that WILL take away his legitimacy

...regardless of the outcome.

We need to move on it NOW...and quit all the nay-saying.

'Build it' and they will come!

[bowens43]

18. No. We can't. Only the congressional Republicans can do that.

and they won't.

[Catchawave]

19. We need to find Gannon's "Sugar Daddy".....

...who is believed to be a high ranking Bushie. There's a good OpEd piece by Frank Rich in today's NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/06/arts/06rich.html?pagewanted=1&th

Especially this part:
<snip>
Mr. Gannon, a self-promoting airhead, may well be a pawn of larger forces as the vainglorious Mr. Liddy once was. But to what end? That Kerry "intern" wasn't the only "news" Mr. Gannon helped stuff in the pipeline during an election year. A close reading of the transcripts of televised White House press conferences reveals that at uncannily crucial moments he was called on by the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, to stanch tough questioning on such topics as Abu Ghraib and Mr. Rove's possible involvement in the outing of the C.I.A. spy Valerie Plame. We still don't know how this Zelig, using a false name, was given a daily White House pass every day for two years. Last weekend, Jim Pinkerton, a former official in the Reagan and Bush I White Houses, said on "Fox News Watch," no less, that such a feat "takes an incredible amount of intervention from somebody high up in the White House," that it had to be "conscious" and that "some investigation should proceed and they should find that out."
<snip>

[riverwalker]

22. It was Scooter Libby

Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff and the architect of PNAC, Lewis I. Libby aka Scooter aka I. Lewis Libby. He is in the closet, and Gannon's daddy. Libby is the source for the Plame leak as well. Libby is the achilles heel of this administration.

[No Exit]

24. Interesting! I sensed that one should never trust an adult named "Scooter"

and, as a further petty point, I still remember hearing G. Gordon Liddy's (wince!) radio show from the 90's: each and every time he mentioned Dee Dee Myers, he would say, "Dee Dee--I'm NOT making this name up--Myers", etc.

But the "big boys", Liddy's homeboys, have this asshole named "Scooter" in a position of considerable power... wonder what the traitor Liddy could say about that... Oh, well... f--- him.

[marcologico]

25. LOL (nt)

[FreedomAngel82]

37. I wish we could find that out

The only way they'd ever impeach a president is purely on sex or him being a democratic president. Even though Bush has done numerous illegal crimes he's still their king and imagine what Rove would do to anybody who supported it?

[OneTwentyoNine]

23. For merely killing Innocent people and invading illegally?

Nah...thats nowhere in the realm of a blown job by a tubby intern,now THATS a GD crime!!

[marcologico]

26. YES! If there's enough mud and it sticks, the press will go along, and

moderate GOP reps. will have to get on their moral high horse.

But we've got to start banging the drum 24/7 NOW!!

[ailsagirl]

30. But the press won't go along with it because they're OWNED

by the Conservatives. I can't see that changing.

If the repugs turned against *, that might be a different story...

IMO

[marcologico]

31. If the air gets stinky enough, even the NYT and Wash Post open the window.

Like they both endorsed Kerry for President. (Oops!!)

They're in the business of selling papers after all.

[ailsagirl]

32. I'm hoping it will be one of those situations in which

someone BIG speaks out (be it a politician or a newspaper), then more and more start speaking out, until it's a veritable landslide.

After all, we know the repukes can't continue indefinitely-- I see the chinks in their armor and I think they're becoming larger and more numerous.

It's just a matter of time.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. The only thing with that is

that it can't be a democrat who starts this or they will be destroyed for sure by the neocons. So who on the republican side would do it? John McCain? Yeah right.

[marcologico]

44. The Dem who starts it (and doesn't chicken out) will be President in '08

IHMO. Boxer, Clinton, or Kerry. But Kerry's the prosecutor and he's fought BushCo before (BCCI) so I hope he gets on it.

p.s. they don't have to win the impeachment, just bring it to a vote. Or just hold hearings and rough 'em up til they decide their "families" need them.


Honey, I'm home!

[Joey Liberal]

27. Bush is the Worst President Ever

I think Bush really has committed impeachable offenses. The Halliburton scandal alone should be enough to impeach Dr. Evil Cheney as well.

[FreedomAngel82]

39. To me the whole

administration. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz. All of them were all apart of the planning and manipulation.

[laylah]

29. not as long as

the gerrymandering, election stealing, war mongering, chickenhawks from hell run what USED TO BE, this government BY the people, FOR the people :mad:

Jenn

[bunny planet]

33. Unfortunately for the moment, we've got a bunch of seemingly

'Teflon Dons' in the WH. Barring any fortuitous leaks prior to, it seems the '06 election, and flipping the house back to the Dems, is our only chance for possible impeachment. It simply sucks but I'm afraid it's true.

[ginnyinWI]

34. No

We can't even get the minimum wage raised. Repub majority, you know.

[orleans]

40. even if we did get some cross-over republicans to vote to impeach

there is no guarantee that every democrat would vote to impeach (take lieberman for example or joe "i like you"--"the president should be allowed to have the cabinet he chooses" biden)

[ComerPerro]

42. Its more than enough. Now try finding enough Republicans

who aren't pathetic, lock-step party sycophants.

[Silverhair]

45. NO.

Learn the impeachment process, then your question answers itself.

[marcologico]

46. We don't have to impeach, we just have to threaten to.

That'll be enough to get the cameras rolling. :)

[earth mom]

47. Now that's a KILLER IDEA! EXPOSE the BASTARDS to the Sleeping Public! nt

[Silverhair]

53. That's like threatening to shoot someone when you don't have a gun.

It is such an obvious bluff that it can't work. The cameras won't roll because it will be seen, correctly, as a purely political stance to gain attention, NOT as the actual start of impeachment.

[marcologico]

55. The cameras will roll as soon as somebody has the nerve to say the word.

They don't say "there's evidence of impeachable offenses and I can prove it."

They say "Democrats are expressing concern that there may be evidence of impeachable offenses."

Film at eleven. :)

[mikelewis]

48. Yes but not yet...

As much as I despise the little fucker, I don't think impeaching him right now is such a hot idea. I think we should just let the bastard self-destruct and take his whole fucking party with him. You and I both know as soon as he starts a draft, this man is dead in the water. If he passes his bullshit social security reform, he's dead in the water. If he starts another war, he's dead in the water. I say let it play out, the fall out works in our favor.

[marcologico]

49. If we start now none of that crap will happen.

They'll be too busy throwing each other overboard faster than you can say fried Rice and Gonzales.

[NVMojo]

50. I'm ready, How do we do it?

[marcologico]

51. Mass e-mailing Pelosi, Reid & Dean to start raising "serious concerns"

about Guckert would be a pretty good place start. Especially Dean! (no constituent interests to protect from retailiation, and he says he wants to beat them at their own game).

House Dems seem to playing pretty har under Conyers but Pelosi hasn't said much publicly yet.

[marcologico]

52. And Kerry and Clinton too of course

Kerry signed Durbin's letter but he's the one that's gotta lead this thing!

[LynneSin]

54. NOPE - we don't have the power in the house & senate

Hell Bush could be caught getting a blow job from an intern in a blue dress and he still wouldn't be touched by the Senate & House.

Seriously

[BlueManDude]

56. Impeach? It's more likely W replaces Geo Wash on the $1 bill

haven't you heard he's spreading democracy throughout the ME?