RW -ers on 10 commandment case-- Left is erasing God from our public life

[TexasLawyer]

What? I thought this case was just about preserving the separation of church and state.

CWA Says Supreme Court Should Uphold Ten Commandments Displays or “Redecorate” 3/1/2005

Washington, D.C. – Concerned Women for America (CWA) is cautiously optimistic that the U.S. Supreme Court will affirm the constitutionality of public displays of the Ten Commandments along with other symbols of law on government property.

“The Supreme Court should be able to see straight through the bogus arguments of special interest groups whose only motivation appears to be erasing any recognition of God from our public life,” said Jan LaRue, CWA’s chief counsel. “Setting the Ten Commandments on public display is an acknowledgement of the cultural and legal history of the United States. It is light years from establishing a national church, which is what the First Amendment prohibits.”

“Hopefully, the Court will affirm the 5th Circuit's ruling in Van Orden v. Perry, and reverse the ruling by the Sixth Circuit in the McCreary case. If it fails to do so, the next sound we hear may be that of a hammer and chisel on the Ten Commandments in the Court’s own building,” LaRue concluded.

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/7568/MEDIA/freedom/index.htm

[gratuitous]

1. Recognize God all you want

Just don't use my tax dollars to do it, and we'll be all right.

[RubyDuby in GA]

2. Not erasing it, just

want it to stop being shoved down our throats at all times.

[Nordmadr]

3. I've heard more about God from the politicians in charge of

this country in the last 5 years than ever before. Erase it hell, it seems to be on a "revival"!

Olaf

[woodsprite]

18. Ya know, it might be understandable if

these were "Godly" people. But they're not. They're total hippocrites (sp?), cheats, swindlers, and every bad thing you can think of. If they practiced what the Bible preaches, not what they preach, then this world would be a much better place and we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.

They're the ones that need reminding of the 10 commandments - I doubt there is a single one they haven't broken a million times over.

[ComerPerro]

4. Sometimes I wish any other religion would take over this country

And start acting like the fundies are now. Start shoving their religion down our throats.

Think about it: Things wouldn't change for most of us (whats the difference, really, getting shit from one religion or another) but it would really put the fundies in their place.

[jedicord]

5. That's how I explain it to Fundies who want prayer in school.

They always say that if a child didn't want to pray, he didn't have to.

What if the prayer was a Muslim prayer? Would you be OK with your child being subjected to that every day?

At least that gets them thinking. Or something.

[Tux]

12. If only

"Sometimes I wish any other religion would take over this country"

No, that is wrong. People may agree with UUism but pushing it on them would still be bad. People must make their own choices. Christians do need to be removed from society by any means necessary for freedom to exist here.

By Christians I mean Evangelicals and those the are silently supporting them by not speaking out nor countering them. Where are the Christians against the Commandments being posted?

[Ezlivin]

6. Impossible to erase God according to THEIR Bible

Quote this to those who say we're "erasing God". It's from the Book of Romans, New Testament.

Romans 1:18-20

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

[Just Me]

7. No. The fundies want religious preference, not religious freedom,...

,...and they want to re-characterize our multi-culture/religious nation as a "Christian" nation such that there is no separation of their fundamentalism and our nation.

[kodi]

8. if God's in our public life why are there so many hungry poor people?

.

[Tux]

9. No national church

But the "word of god" will be law. Kill of those that are different.

[Sapphire Blue]

10. Let's hold them to their Ten Commandments

'Thou shalt not kill', comes to mind.


Positive Atheism's Political Figures Talk of Separation, Religious
Freedom, and Religion

http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/sepquote.htm

[johnaries]

11. Commandment #1:

Thou Shalt Have No Other God Before Me.

If a government agency has that posted, it sure sounds like "establishment" to me!

[Malva Zebrina]

13. what a spin

a monument acknowledging the cultural and legal history of the United States. Pfffftttttt

What is behind this is tyranny--a visual reminder to those not of the same god or religion that the Christian god reigns over America. That is what it is--an icon of Christianity and it is amazing.

Around eighty percent of the people in the US are Chiristians, and we are think they are being attacked and persecuted by those who want to take away their religion?

Those commandments have been around for two thousand years, taught in every bible school and in every parochial school, from every pulpit and etc. etc. Do they think that erecting them in front of a public place will cause people to read them, or to abide by them (I wonder who will get the message, sub consciously perhaps, that if they did not abide by them they will end up in the courthouse for not going to Sunday meeting) No, people have read them, been taught them, are well aware of them for thousands of years, and given the history of Christianity, I would say, placing them on the lawn of a courthouse will not make much of a difference to humanity.

The reason for this is to establish dominence and tyranny over others, and place it firmly in the mind of the believers that they are #1,

[Kber]

14. I've never gotten how some people's faith is so weak

that my refusal to publicly participate in or endorse their beliefs is such a threat. Honestly, religion, for me is a private family matter and I don't want gov't interference or involvement.

The state corrupts religion as much a vice versa. If you don't believe me, check out the "real" views of many of the most politically active "Christians" and compare them to the gospels.

The wall separating church and state protects us all.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Did Jesus have some things to say about praying in private?

Did he also say that a belief in him surpassed the 'old' convenant? What's 'God' doing in our public life? Thought religion and beliefs were your 'personal' life.

[Sapphire Blue]

16. God's Politics: A Better Option

An excerpt from.....

God's Politics: A Better Option

Why can't personal ethics and social justice - together - become a real political choice?
by Jim Wallis

Why can’t we talk about religion and politics? These are the two topics you are not supposed to discuss in polite company. Don’t break up the dinner party by bringing up either of these subjects! That’s the conventional wisdom. Why? Perhaps it’s because these topics are too important and too potentially divisive, or because they raise issues of core values and ultimate concerns that make us uncomfortable.

All over the country I feel the hunger for a fuller, deeper, and richer conversation about religion in public life, about faith and politics. It’s a discussion that we don’t always hear in America today. Sometimes the most strident and narrow voices are the loudest, and more progressive, prophetic, and healing religion often gets missed. But the good news is about how all that is changing.

Abraham Lincoln had it right. Our task should not be to invoke religion and the name of God by claiming God’s blessing and endorsement for all our national policies and practices - saying, in effect, that God is on our side. Rather, as Lincoln put it, we should worry earnestly whether we are on God’s side.

Those are the two ways that religion has been brought into public life in American history. The first way - God on our side - leads inevitably to triumphalism, self-righteousness, bad theology, and, often, dangerous foreign policy. The second way - asking if we are on God’s side - leads to much healthier things, namely penitence and even repentance, humility, reflection, and accountability. We need much more of all those, because they are often the missing values of politics.

Martin Luther King Jr. did it best. With his Bible in one hand and the Constitution in the other, King persuaded, not just pronounced. He reminded us all of God’s purposes for justice, for peace, and for the "beloved community" where those who have been left out and left behind get a front-row seat. And he brought religion into public life in a way that was always welcoming, inclusive, and inviting to all who cared about moral, spiritual, or religious values. Nobody felt left out of the conversation.

http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=soj0502&article=050210

[Mr.Green93]

17. 'Left is erasing God from our public life'

and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

[woodsprite]

19. Religion is our private life. The Constitution and Bill of Rights

are our Public Life and look who's erasing them!

[EFerrari]

20. No, it's being framed as "revisionist history" and "erasing

our culture and history" with vague reference to our Christian founders (yeah, right) and not so vague references to bulldozers leveling precious historical monuments. CSPAN had a Pod Person on this morning.

On edit: This is just another red herring. If the Fundies believe they gain ground, great. If not, it's kept us all occupied while the Kleptos bankrupt us for generations.

Okay, so that's not very hopeful :)

[Runcible Spoon]

21. yeah, fundies...so what if we are??

don't see the problem with freedom FROM religion in public :shrug: