Voting for a minority or woman is illogical

[wuushew]

Like it or not this country is still deeply entrenched with misogyny and racism.

We elect our representatives to enact policies that will serve us and the public good. Since we only know them by the effect their votes have, their gender, religion or skin color has no effect on anyone.

I am pissed not at who Hillary or Lieberman are personally, but rather their hawkish votes that enable the Amerikan war machine to kill untold thousands of innocents.

In politics unlike the real world the choice is not between two identically qualified applicants. A company will higher the person most qualified for the job.

However instead of an ideally rational and performance driven company, the POTUS is chosen by the hiering decisions of millions of fickle and demonstrably ignorant voters. Although women and minorities combined heavily outnumber white males, the stepford effect in this country I predict will be larger than increased turnout for Democrats with either I black or female candidate.

Opponents of this rant will no doubt say the time is now for barrier breaking. Some will say that Republicans will never vote for a Democrat in any case. This might be true but swing voters do exist, voter apathy exists as well.

Although running mirror image white bread candidates will decrease turnout for minorities in both parties, I believe hatred, fear and bigotry are more powerful motivators than enlightened thinking. One cannot have a consistently failing record since 1980 just by fluke or explain certain polls of public opinion since 9/11.

Instead of compromising on abortion, terrorism or corporate greed why not sell out on who we run as candidates? Why are we so worried about having proportional representation by race,sex or creed when the biggest divide in Amerika is class? Is anyone outraged that the Senate is rightfully described as the millionaire's club? Many many "race issues"can also be class issues, so why doesn't the Democratic Party emphasize this instead of more inane but combustible topics?

[Canadian Socialist]

1. First off

as I have said many times before, I try not to get involved in American politics, simply because I'm not an American. However, your sexist use of words outs you. And I quote:
"I am pissed not at who Hillary or Lieberman are personally"

Now, why, prey tell, is Senator Clinton not given the same respect as Senator Lieberman? Why are you calling her by her first name and not Joe?

Nit picking, I'm sure. But it calls into question your progressiveness.

[wuushew]

2. Believe what you will

I have no problem voting for my female Congresswoman, Tammy Baldwin or my Jewish Senator, Russ Feingold.

Senator Clinton and Lieberman are complete sellouts by the manner in which they vote.

[imenja]

11. the twisted logic of your position

Is that you attribute that to gender and religion rather than their political positions. Neither have sold out to the extent you have.


Why does DU allow bigots to pollute these discussion boards?

[sendero]

8. Come on.

.... your assertion is not fair. There are a millions Joes but not that many Hillarys. If the name Clinton is used, it conjures up Bill.

All over this forum, Hillary is used to refer to Ms. Clinton. It is not intended as a form of disrespect, merely a positive identification.

[omega minimo]

3. Since the bully boys are hell bent on destruction

why not hand the reins over to women?












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[bling bling]

4. Sorry. But:

Your statement. "Like it or not this country is still deeply entrenched with misogyny and racism."

So, THIS is the solution??: "Voting for a minority or woman is illogical"

You know that old saying, if you aren't part of the solution......

[AP]

5. I believe a candidate like Sibelius or Granholm (if she were eligible)

could EASILY win a national campaign even in today's climate, once a few pieces were put in the right place. I don't think Hillary could easily win. Gender doesn't make it easy, but gender is only a part of the puzzle and gender is only one part of Hillary's problem.

Same goes for race. I think Harold Ford could win a national race. I think Obama could be a great VP today, and a great presidential candidate in a decade. I also think Minner and Stabenow would make great VP candidates.

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[imenja]

10. it's not disguised, it's quite obvious

and I just realized that such a point of view is essential to defend white male supremacy. If the field is open for the smartest and best qualified candidates, the intellectually retarded men who advance such positions cannot possibly win. Why compete fairly when they can revert to prejudice to protect their incompetent grasp on power.

[imenja]

7. Ever stop to think why this is a racist and sexist country?

Because people don't challenge it. Your argument is part of that bigoted culture. First off, it's wrong. The Democrats who won new Senate seats this year were both people of color. If you want the country to get over racism and sexism, start with yourself.

It's not time for barrier breaking. That time was thirty years ago. Pakistan, India, and Israel have had women heads of states. Do you suppose we could progress to that level? If we' re are going to, each one of us needs to start by looking in the mirror. What makes patriarchy and white supremacy possible is positions like the one you voice in this post.

You say we shouldn't sell out but dismiss basic principles of equality as a starting point. It seems to me you have already sold out. I refuse to accept your segregationist view of politcal life.

[Stand and Fight]

9. Amen.

NO post here on DU has ever made me consider leaving the site and the party, but for a brief second this one sure did!

[bling bling]

13. In away, I'm glad these discussions are coming out into the open.

It's time we started looking at the ugly truths and dealing with them by stomping out attitudes like those expressed in the OP. It's far, far, past time we started discussing this stuff. It's time we start rebuilding, perhaps, overhauling this party and insist it's lead by the people who are IN it and vote for it, for a change.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3192288&mesg_id=3192288

[Warren DeMontague]

12. What a lovely piece of flambe you have whipped up here.

Oh, did I say flambe? I meant flamebait.

[Moderator]

14. Locking

This is flamebait.