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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:40 PM
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It's all about the PROPAGANDA, STUPID!!! (re: PropaGannon story)
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 12:52 PM by moggie12


You can feel the Gannon story building: Howie Kurtz tried to deep-six it, but Keith Olbermann wouldn't let go and now even America's darling, Katie Couric, talked about it this morning (when Katie talks about something, that means the story is officially "mainstream").

To me, it's the propaganda angle that is key: Fake reporters lobbing fake questions at White House press conferences is yet one more piece of the huge PROPAGANDA effort this administration has engaged in to MANIPULATE public opinion.

In my opinion, Frank Rich nailed it today in the NY Times. It is well-worth your time to read the whole article but this was the line I liked best:

"Even now, we know that the fake news generated by the six known shills is only a small piece of the administration's overall propaganda effort."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/arts/20rich.html

FINALLY, somebody said it in print!!! Yes, America, you have been purposely manipulated by the Bush administration!! It isn't an accident, it's a plan!! I mean, for Godsakes, they've paid off "opinion journalists" and planted fake reporters front-and-center in White House press conferences!!

I suggest this:

1) Use the "e-mail this article" feature to send Rich's article to your friends -- it deserves much more attention that it's getting (right now, Maureen Dowd's similarly-themed piece is #1 on the "most frequently e-mailed articles list", but Rich's article is ten-times better reasoned and makes the propaganda point much better).

2) E-mail Countdown, Hardball, Aaron Brown, etc. and ask them to have Frank Rich on their shows. Links:
Countdown@msnbc.com
Hardball@msnbc.com
Aaron Brown: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?13

And maybe for the heck of it:
Blitzer: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?8
Crossfire: http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?7
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:47 PM
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1. Here's my email
Why do we have to tell the truth? Act like you're a freeper.
I put my name in as Darryl Ungar ;)

As a Christian, I am very concerned that a male prostitute was given access to our beloved President. I really would like you to investigate this more thoroughly.
Thanks,
DU
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:50 PM
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3. LOL - Wait, isn't that a sin???
I mean, pretending to be a bible-belter??

But actually, that's an excellent strategy.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:50 PM
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4. This is a DELICIOUS way to go about it, too.
I mean, Family Values, dontchaknow?

I heard a story about the porcupine versus the tiger. Tiger's big and tough and scary, 'eh? The porcupine's no match, no? But the porcupine won. Wasn't daunted by the fangs and claws and speed of chase or strength of muscle or fearsome roar. Stuck a quill into the tiger's soft little vulnerable nose.

This is the nose, "right" here.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:04 PM
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11. ROFL!!
YES.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:11 PM
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14. They'll see right through me
I should have spelled stuff wrong and used bad grammar!
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:13 PM
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16. Too bad there isn't an automated belching feature n/t
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 12:50 PM
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2. The best part of the Frank Rich story...
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 12:51 PM by tasteblind
...was where he said with 95 million spent, so far we've still got $150 million of White House PR funding unaccounted for.

Edit: It plants the seed: Where/Who are the other shills?
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seventythree Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:05 PM
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12. that was a revelation to me, too!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:14 PM
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5. Thank you! Propaganda is the word we need to keep on our lips
It's the word of the year. It's the essence of BushCo. the essence of everything they use when mentioning 9/11, the essence of Iraq.

Manipulate the fear, the language, the information=gain desired effect.

America, baby you've been HAD.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:24 PM
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6. just enough rope.....
You know guys, we've been hand-wringing and beating each other up about the way our leaders (the Dems) have been treating the sins of the Bush Administration with kid gloves and, while I sense the giant is only now beginning to stir from his sleep, I believe that our past reluctance to stand and fight may have been a blessing in disguise. The neocons been given just enough rope to hang themselves and there is no way the public at large can deny the arrogance and gross hypocrisy of this group now.
It's crucial, though, that we keep all the pieces together (journalist whores, government sponsored "news" pieces, planted questioners in the WH briefing room, etc) and front and center in the mind's eye of the public.
We can't allow Charles and Camilla to steal the headlines, as critically important as their upcoming wedding is.
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NurseLefty Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:36 PM
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7. Great suggestions - will do!
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 01:37 PM by NurseLefty
We can only stand around and gawk about this pool of sewage known as Gannon for so long. Time to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Thanks for the tips and links!
:hi:


:kick:


edit for typo
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:38 PM
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8. Kick for good sense
Part of the reason the wingers control the media is because they whine so much. We need to be louder.
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Left Brain Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:48 PM
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9. Great suggestions
for spreading the outrage. And, as the saying goes, IF THEY AIN'T OUTRAGED, THEY AIN'T PAYIN' ATTENTION!

So proud to be a DU member. This forum is freedom in action.
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Griffy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 01:58 PM
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10. Crossfire was canceled! LOL go Jon Stewart! Blitzer is a shill too! nt
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 07:12 PM
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29. Speaking of Jon Stewart. Did anyone see his Gannon coverage last night?
Sooooo funny, thought I'd pee myself. It'll re-run tonight on the second half-hour of "Daily Show."
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:43 PM
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32. It was great! Thank God he's around because it shames the big guys
Ever since they released statistics showing that large numbers of young people get their news from "The Daily Show", he's seen as a credible journalist and thank goodness for that.......
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:05 PM
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42. HEY I am over 65 and I get
my info from Jon Stewart. The other news outlets are too boring and so packed with nothing but forgery. Only what they are allowed to tell us.
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seventythree Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:07 PM
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13. sent my emails to the first three
thanks for the links to make it easy
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:11 PM
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15. Done and Kicked! I also sent it to my private email list and asked them to
keep it kicked!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:20 PM
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17. What will we tell our kids?????
Edited on Thu Feb-17-05 02:26 PM by Old and In the Way
I am deeply shocked and saddened that the Party of Moral Values <pending trademark of the RNC> would be using a gay prostitute of a bogus news outfit to pimp the Party line.

I'm sure Jerry Falwall, Pat Robertson, and that Dobson fellow must feel their Christian sensibilities violated and are supremely outraged that this administration has a gay prostitute being personally debriefed by Karl Rove and Scotty McCallum (or is he the one doing the debriefing?). Can someone link me to their comments that condemn this administration for corrupting our children?

Ken Mehlman must also be disgusted that the carefully crafted Republican massage(sp) of virtue is being sullied in such a fashion.

Where is Bill Schneider on this? I mean, all those people who voted for this administration because of 'values'....which values were these people voting for? Better recheck those exit polls, Bill.

Where is Bill Bennett on this? Certainly he must be quite concerned about this issue....or is he stll working his way through that barrel of quarters at the Horseshoe slots in Los Vegas?

How about Hastert, Frist, and DeLay? I have to believe that this warrants at least as many investigations and an article of impeachment as we had when Whitewater and consensual sex were the primary issues during Clinton's term. I mean, there could be real national security issues involved in this scandal.

Honestly, the Republicans wouldn't add the sin of hypocrisy on top of the moral crimes that are occurring in this administration, would they?



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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:15 PM
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21. Yes, the silence on the right wing is very odd, isn't it?
And Fox News doesn't even seem to have heard about this Gannon fellow. Weird, huh??

P.S. The right-wing "morals" crowd must be having a cow -- I would pay anything for the tapes of the phone conversations between Karl Rove and Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberston and the other holier-than-thou's when the story first broke.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:54 PM
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37. Where is all the fucking outrage now?
It was a national crisis to the republican when Bill and Monica were having private adult consensual hetero sex. Now, the corporate media are silent when a gay male prostitute tax cheat is given a cushy partisan job as a reward for **something** by **someone powerful**.

Where is the $66 million multi-year taxpayer-funded witch-hunt Clinton was subjected to now? Where is Ken Starr? Where is the outrage of the christian pharisees? Where is the corporate media? What hypocrites.
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Bluesage Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:25 AM
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40. Outrage
Until we can uncover that semen stained flight suit or little Scotty's semen stained microphone there will be no outrage and no real coverage by the MSM. Don't you know that the public was just so worn out over all that coverage of the Clinton Witch Hunt that the MSM has just decided that it is best for their viewers not to hear all that sex and lying stuff now?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 12:39 PM
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41. Yes....at least until we elect a new Democratic President......
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 12:46 PM by Old and In the Way
then the corporate media can restart their investigative function.

Welcome aboard bluesage...!
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 04:10 PM
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43. Well did you see Buchanan on Tweedy's show
trying to excuse the whole thing? Tweedy said it was indefensible and Buchanan looked sheepish.
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:35 PM
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18. Done! Kick. n/t
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:39 PM
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19. Rich's article is date 2/20 so I guess it'll be in this Sunday's paper.
nice WIDE circulation!
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 02:53 PM
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20. "The only road back to reality may be to fight fake with fake."
Left on!
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:21 PM
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22. .
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:37 PM
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23. YESTERDAY
After reading all of your articles as well as articles on other Democratic sites I just couldn't take it anymore so I copied one of the articles and emailed it to the Today Show and asked them why we haven't heard more about this story on NBC as well as other news organizations. I was really surprised to hear the Gannon story on the Today Show this morning. They could have done a better job but at least it was a start.

I also saw a story where Aaron Brown thought that fake journalists "was no big deal". I emailed him and told him that I strongly disagreed with his comment. I told him this administration -the "Terra" administration - who based their entire re-election campaign on the bravado claim that they could keep the country safer than Democrats - the same administration that touts "homeland security" - had allowed a fake reporter to have access to the President. This phony was on many occasions just feet away from the President. I asked Aaron to explain to me how he could not find this troubling considering the extreme lengths the Republican Party went to during the election to claim that they could keep America safer than Kerry. How could someone using a phony name gain access to the President while this same man was denied access to Congressional conferences because he lacked credentials. I further asked Mr. Brown why he didn't find it troubling that seasoned reporters like Helen Thomas and others were denied access to these same White House press conferences or had their questions ignored or dismissed while Mr. Gannon's questions always seemed to make it front and center. I asked Mr. Brown, as a journalist, to explain and justify why he did not think this was important.

I also indicated in both of my emails to the Today Show and Aaron Brown that had this been Clinton the media would have clung to this story like bees to honey and it would have taken center stage surpassing, I am sure, even the Michael Jackson circus. As of the writing of this I have, of course, had no reply to either email. It did feel good, however, to vent my frustrations at both entities.

Thank you all for not letting this story die. It is because of talented individuals such as yourselves that we may soon see the end of this corrupt and evil administration.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:46 PM
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25. Good for you to take the time to-e-mail!
If all of us fuming at what's going on in this country took the time to e-mail these media jerks, it might do some good. Even if it's just a line or two, hundreds of e-mails have an impact. It may help the decent reporters & producers: They can tell the higher-ups, "We have to cover this story -- people are asking about it."

There's a rule in marketing/media: For every one person who takes the time to write something, there's another 100 people who feel the same way. If enough people make a ruckus, they'll respond.

(Of course, this doesn't apply to FoxNews)
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:13 PM
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31. Thank you. You did good work. Who knows... maybe your..
email provoked Couric and Today to do a spot. :thumbsup:

A lot of us have grown very weary doing combat with the mainstream media for what seems like forever now.

Finally they are taking notice of the blogosphere. Maybe they will stop ignoring us. Unfortunately, I think they will probably run a propaganda campaign about us all being wackos. Afterall, we're they're competition now. :D

Welcome to DU!!!!! :hi:
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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:41 PM
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24. yes, it is time to blow this open.
if u think u blasted the media on the recount, double your efforts.

du powers activate

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 03:47 PM
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26. My children were outraged - refused to eat their oatmeal!
hey, Mr Bennett - I got your outrage right here!
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 05:30 PM
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27. DU MSNBC POLL ON GANNON
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 07:00 PM
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28. It's like DU did that poll
90% want to know more about Jeff Gannon, 73% want to know more about Dean, 27% about the bomb-making teacher, 23% about Terry Sciavo, and only 4% care about "Reality TV".

Good grief, if people are finally tired of watching Reality TV and start paying attention to politics, they may notice that Bush is making a mess of the country!

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 07:12 PM
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30. I learned at a young age: Politics IS the best 'Reality TV'
Any decent debate on the floor of Congress beats the living sh!t out of yet another horrible episode of "Wife Swap" any day.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 08:46 PM
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34. MyDD counts 7 known paid "journalists".
In case your counting?!

from MyDD:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/2/17/141958/567

He named six right, but there was a seventh fake reporter, Mike Morris, who was uncovered in early January but has become somewhat forgotten.

from:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54651-2005Jan6.html

Shortly before last year's Super Bowl, local news stations across the country aired a story by Mike Morris describing plans for a new White House ad campaign on the dangers of drug abuse.

What viewers did not know was that Morris is not a journalist and his "report" was produced by the government, actions that constituted illegal "covert propaganda," according to an investigation by the Government Accountability Office.

In the second ruling of its kind, the investigative arm of Congress this week scolded the Bush administration for distributing phony prepackaged news reports that include a "suggested live intro" for anchors to read, interviews with Washington officials and a closing that mimics a typical broadcast news sign off.

Although television stations knew the materials were produced by the Office of National Drug Control Policy, there was nothing in the two-minute, prepackaged reports that would indicate to viewers that they came from the government or that Morris, a former journalist, was working under contract for the government.


Rich is right about something else, however. Even with the total number of paid shills at seven and rising rapidly, this is but a small part of the Bush administrations propaganda effort..

I don't mean to keep correcting Rich, especially since his article is so good, but he forget to mention how the Social Security administration is being forced to promote its own destruction. Considering all of this, I remain convinced that we have still only sen the tip of the iceberg.

~snip~
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 09:18 PM
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35. You're a better reporter than the reporters
How about e-mailing that to Frank Rich ( the-arts@nytimes.com ), with a copy to the news department ( nytnews@nytimes.com )?

Things happen so fast nobody can keep up -- I bet they forgot about your #7.

It's the pattern of this that's so important.....it's driving me nuts that they "can't see the forest, but for the trees".
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:06 PM
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38. Credit belongs to Chris Bowers at MyDD.com
Seven and Counting
by Chris Bowers

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/2/17/141958/567
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SpaceBuddy008 Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 10:18 PM
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36. BohemianGrove, male envy of birth/womb, Abomb='little boy'
Is this significant ? underlying primal archetypes?

She collected some extremely interesting facts confirming the perinatal dimension in nuclear warfare. In her own terminology, these facts confirm the importance of the motif of "male birth" and "male creation" as important psychological forces underlying the psychology of nuclear warfare.
*****

Even more explicit was the coded message used by Japanese ambassador, Kurusu, when he phoned Tokyo to signal that negotiations had broken down with Roosevelt and that it was all right to go ahead with the bombing of Pearl Harbor. He announced that the "birth of a child was imminent" and asked how things were in Japan: "Does it seem as if the child might be born?" The reply was, "Yes, the birth of the child seems imminent." Interestingly, the American intelligence listening in recognized the meaning of the war-as-birth code.

Particularly chilling was the use of perinatal language in connection with the explosion of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima. The airplane was given the name of the pilot’s mother, Enola Gay. The atomic bomb itself carried a painted nickname, Little Boy, and the agreed-upon message sent to Washington as a signal of successful detonation was, "The baby was born." It would not be too far-fetched to see the image of newborn also behind the nickname of the Nagasaki bomb, Fat Man.

Since the time of our correspondence, Lloyd deMause has collected many additional historical examples and refined his thesis that the memory of the birth trauma plays an important role as a source of motivation for violent social activity (see, e.g., deMause, 1982, 1996).

The issues related to nuclear warfare are of such relevance that I would like to elaborate on them using the material from a fascinating paper by Carol Cohn (1987) titled "Sex and Death in the Rational World of the Defense Intellectuals." The defense intellectuals are civilians who move in and out of government, working sometimes as administrative officials or consultants, sometimes at universities and think tanks. They create the theory that informs and legitimates US nuclear strategic practice—how to manage the arms race, how to deter the use of nuclear weapons, how to fight a nuclear war if the deterrence fails, and how to explain why it is not safe to live without nuclear weapons.

Carol Cohn attended a two-week seminar summer workshop on nuclear weapons, nuclear strategic doctrine, and arms control. She was so fascinated by what had transpired there that she spent the following year immersed in the almost entirely male world (except secretaries) of defense intellectuals. She collected some extremely interesting facts confirming the perinatal dimension in nuclear warfare. In her own terminology, these facts confirm the importance of the motif of "male birth" and "male creation" as important psychological forces underlying the psychology of nuclear warfare. She uses the following historical examples to illustrate her point of view:

In 1942 Ernest Lawrence sent a telegram to a Chicago group of physicists developing the nuclear bomb: "Congratulations to the new parents. Can hardly wait to see the new arrival." At Los Alamos, the atom bomb was referred to as "Oppenheimer’s baby." Richard Feynman wrote in his article, "Los Alamos from Below," that when he was temporarily on leave after his wife’s death he received a telegram that read, "The baby is expected on such and such a day."

At Lawrence Livermore Laboratories, the hydrogen bomb was referred to as "Teller’s baby," although those who wanted to disparage Edward Teller’s contribution claimed he was not the bomb’s father, but its mother. They claimed that Stanislav Ulam was the real father, who had all the important ideas and conceived it; Teller only "carried it" after that. Terms related to motherhood were also used to the provision of "nurturance"—the maintenance of the missiles.

General Grove sent a triumphant coded cable to Secretary of War Henry Stimson at the Potsdam conference reporting the success of the first atomic test: "Doctor has just returned most enthusiastic and confident that the little boy is as husky as his big brother. The light in his eyes discernible from here to Highhold and I could have heard his screams from here to my farm." Stimson, in turn, informed Churchill by writing him a note that read, "Baby satisfactorily born."

William L. Laurence witnessed the test of the first atomic bomb and wrote: "The big boom came about a hundred seconds after the great flash—the first cry of a newborn world." Edward Teller’s exultant telegram to Los Alamos, announcing the successful test of the hydrogen bomb "Mike" at Eniwetok Atoll in the Marshall Islands read, "It’s a boy." The male scientists gave birth to a progeny with the ultimate power of domination over female Nature.

The Enola Gay, Little Boy, and "The baby was born" symbolism of the Hiroshima bomb, and the Fat Man symbolism of the Nagasaki bomb were mentioned already.

Carol Cohn also mentions in her paper an abundance of overtly sexual symbolism in the language of defense intellectuals. The nature of this material, linking sex to aggression, domination, and scatology shows a deep similarity to the imagery occurring in the context of birth experiences (BPM III). Examples: American dependence on nuclear weapons was explained as irresistible, because "you get more bang for the buck." A professor’s explanation of why the MX missiles should be placed in the silos of the newest Minuteman missiles instead of replacing the older, less accurate ones was, "You are not going to take the nicest missile you have and put it into a crummy hole." At one point, there was a serious concern that "we have to harden our missiles," because "the Russians are a little harder than we are." One military adviser to the National Security Council referred to "releasing seventy to eighty percent of our megatonnage in one orgasmic whump."

Lectures were filled with terms like "vertical erector launchers," "thrust-to-weight ratios," "soft lay-downs," "deep penetration," and the comparative advantages of "protracted" versus "spasm attacks." Another example is the popular and widespread custom of "patting the missiles," an expression of phallic supremacy but also homoerotic tendencies. It clearly is quite appropriate for feminist critics of nuclear policies to refer to "missile envy" and "phallic worship."

Full essay=
Planetary Survival and Consciousness Evolution:
Psychological Roots of Human Violence and Greed


Stanislav Grof, M.D.*



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PLUTOCRATS DID NOT GIVE THEIR MOMS THE RIGHT TO VOTE TILL 1920 !

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german quote: We Believe in God , like the Americans, but unlike the Americans do not trust him

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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-17-05 11:31 PM
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39. I am literally speechless at your amazing insight
Although I admit to having some difficulty interpreting the synergistic relationship between the Plutocrats not giving their Moms the right to vote until 1920, the utility of "vertical erector launchers", and the propaganda perpetrated by the Bush administration. I will think about this some more and get back to you in a little while.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 07:54 PM
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45. The hallmark of the bush administration has been his hatred of women
He signed the gag order as one of his first order of business after being sworn in.

There is such an obvious bush hatred and fear of women -- which is probably one of the reasons he has taken up with the Fundies -- because they share his contempt for women.

Then Karl Rove was supposedly beaten up by a <gasp> girl and that's why he is so mean today. He, like a serial killer, is trying to kill and re-kill the object of his hatred.

Women who can be man-like are welcomed into the bush administration. These women are used a window dressing to cover up the contempt that the bushies have for women.

This gang knows that the abortion issue is meaningless -- because women WILL get abortions -- this has been going on for thousands and thousands of years. But this issue is being used against the women's movement -- and remember Ass-crotch tried to shut down the women's movement because they dared to boycott Missouri.

bush has a wife -- because she is window dressing and thankfully she gave birth to twins (unfortunately they were female twins).

I remember when I took Abnormal Psy -- years ago. My professor was one of the founders of Sports Psychology. He explained that homosexuality was not abnormal but simply part of the complexity of human beings. However, it was a topic he was supposed to cover under the title of "Abnormal Psy" -- but he taught it as normal non-pathological behavior. He said that a large percentage of professional sports players were homosexual -- but that most of these men were married -- they had arrangements and understandings with their wives. Flashy -- trophy wives were needed as part of their image. Not all Pro-Sports players with trophy wives are gay -- but some are -- he told us. He also said that this sort of arrangement was found in politics -- anywhere a man needed to be married to present a "wholesome" front to the public.

Someone in the bushie gang is Gannon's sugar daddy. And what I got from the Gannon website was a hatred of women. I very much doubt that Gannon would be dressing up in women's dresses like J. Edgar Hoover did. My guess is that these men hate women -- because they exist because of women.



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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:03 AM
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47. Interesting thoughts
Thanks for the insight!

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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-05 10:13 AM
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48. In the same grain, a great posting here:
Mesg #353849 "Big Dog made them (BFEE'ers & Rethugs) feel so inadequate..."
Author PuppetPOTUS    
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=353833&mesg_id=353849&page=
Date Sun Feb-20-05 01:41 PM


I think Big Dog made them (BFEE'ers & Rethugs) feel so inadequate in that particular department, that that's one of the reasons they are blowing up the world now. I mean, they have to do something to equate themselves, and best that Clinton Alpha Male ideal -- so they choose 'shock & awe' and killing hundreds of thousands, instead of a blow job - where the only damage done was to a $50 dress from the Gap.
That's what happens when you have latent homophobes w/ deep dark secrets, insecurities and complexes about their own masculinity, get into positions of power....
They endanger the whole f*kn' WORLD.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-20-05 05:52 PM
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44. My letter to media today-
"Gannongate" -Fake journalist, paid propaganda, and the decay of the 4th estate. I am absolutely shocked that this scandal has gotten so little attention. "Gannon" is obviously at the least a plant to smear at the White House's will, and quite possibly much, much, more. Its the active subversion of the 4th estate. When an administration controls ALL branches of government, and then undermines, fabricates, and deceives the citizenry through paid propaganda and outright lies, well, when is the word tyranny appropriate? With a $50 two day course in propaganda as the extent of his 'journalism' training, a 'Washington Bureau Chief Correspondent" who has more training as a professional HOOKER than reporter has smeared, steered debate, and crafted the dialogue on apparent instruction by the White House!

The security and prostitution aspects of Mr."Gannon" are equally as troubling. For an administration that claims the things it professes, it is in direct contradiction to its actions.

Can you imagine if this treason were a Democratic White House? The press and republicans would burn them at the stake.

Its amazing...astonishing! I have lost all faith in any of the major news outlets to tell the truth about anything. I guess I will have to get my news about America from the foreign press!

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46. kick
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