Clinton looks extremely bad!

[Jackson4Gore]

Wow, he just gets looking worse and worse. I hope nothing is really wrong with him. It now has been 6 months since his surgery and he just plain looks horrible. I heard a rumor that he is really depressed and lathargic. What is your opinion?

[mopinko]

i agree

thought he looked downright anorexic at the superbowl.

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[whistle]

8. It's a good thing you recognize that it is only a rumor.....

...which rhymes with humor!

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[trumad]

17. I didn't know Tommy Lee was posting here???

[LisaM]

2. He looked okay at the Super Bowl

A little thinner, but in good spirits, and he was watching and enjoying the game.

[FreedomAngel82]

56. I think he looked fine last night

On the McAullife thing. He seemed to be enjoying himself and being with his friends. Always good. I wonder if Hillary and Teresa were there. Too bad Gore and Mrs. Gore weren't there. I did notice he had this scratch on his face. Aw. He had a great speech! And we aren't dead. :bounce:

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[Jackson4Gore]

7. Huh?

[Vickers]

28. I thought the picture of *you* and Gore was *Clinton* and Gore

As I said, sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Jackson4Gore]

31. Oh, then in that case, thanks for the insult.

[Vickers]

33. I apologized twice.

:shrug:

[LittleClarkie]

42. Would have been better to think once

That was really out of line.

[Vickers]

44. *sniff*

These tears are real.

:eyes:

[wheresthemind]

49. I thought the picture was supposed to be Gore and Clinton too...

Not an insult to you at all... I just thought if Clinton's appearance had changed that much from his heart surgery then something must be really bad!

Besides, to be mistaken for Bill Clinton is not exactly an insult.

[Sparkle]

15. LOL !

That's cold. But Clinton looks a little pale and thin but that's expected. And if he's depressed, he can call me anytime!

[Skip Intro]

4. He looks ok to me

[AngryAmish]

5. This is pure speculation

A significant % of all people put on a heart/lung machine get small strokes. Is it possible that his heart trouble and surgery might have taken that much out of him?

Again, this is pure speculation and this is not my field. If I am wrong I would love to be corrected on this.

[dflprincess]

18. When my friend had surgery

(hysterectomy, not as serious as heart surgery) her doctor told her it can take up to a year to completely recover. So, it's not too surprising the Clinton looks tired.

My mom has commented on how he looks, she thinks he's lost too much weight.

[AngryAmish]

20. We expect too much of leaders sometimes

I don't know what kind of surgery he had, but if it was truly open-heart surgery, it would crack his chest open and make eating very hard for a long time. Maybe they have him on a restricted/healthy diet and he does not get to eat good stuff. I think we can agree the man certainly enjoyed good food in his time.

[Gloria]

41. After my back surgery I wasn't right for months and months...

The anaesthesia alone.....

[FreedomAngel82]

57. I had heart surgery as a baby

And it took me at least a year to get better according to my parents. I'd give Clinton some time. :)

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Take it from me, pretty fresh out of the I.C.U. I've lost more weight than

I should have, am pale as a ghost and weak as of yet. These things take time. He'll be okay.

[GetTheRightVote]

6. I hope he is alright, perhaps we should call Hillary & let her know we

hope Bill is doing OK what do you all think about it ??

:kick:

[Ironpost]

9. Surely he's not being poisoned.

[Erika]

10. He looks tired

but gave a dynamic speech. He was our last "real" president.

[AngryAmish]

13. Last elected President

maybe ever

[LittleClarkie]

11. I can't see, but I heard the lighting was bad

Could it be that?

[LizW]

53. I thought so

It was grayish blue tinted and shining down from above, enhancing every wrinkle. Take it from me, when those of us over a certain age lose weight, we wrinkle a little. And those pouches under the eyes are hereditary. I have them, just like my mom and grandfather before me did.

I think maybe we're used to actors and newscasters who have "work done" as they age. BC is aging naturally, and has lost weight. Yes, he has a few more pronounced wrinkles, but I don't think it is a sign of illness.

[LittleClarkie]

55. Sounds almost like they were under florescent lighting

that would suck the life outta anyone.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. There was a lot of

blue lighting. It's reairing at 1:30am eastern.

[globalvillage]

14. He lost a lot of weight

And that really brings out the wrinkles. You have to consider, though, that the lighting and camera work is C-Span. It's easy to look like crap in bad light. The entire crowd is blue, and the speakers are all a little grey.

[Just Me]

16. EWWW!!!! Let's be manipulatively reactive rather than focused proactive.

n/t

[Avalux]

19. What's up with this post?

Where did you hear this "rumor" that he's depressed and lethargic? I saw him during the Superbowl and he seemed just fine. Thin but fine.

[Jackson4Gore]

23. What do you mean what is up with this post?

It is what it is. I am asking if anyone knows anything about his health other than what I do. I heard the rumor on television.

[MADem]

29. Two separate issues here

He was on the SOUTH BEACH diet before he had his heart attack. That was actually good, because he lost a lot of the bloat. After a certain age, you have to choose between your face and your ass. He chose his ass, so he has to deal with the face wrinkles, which make him look older.

Second issue: depression is a VERY, VERY, VERY (did I say VERY) common occurence post-heart surgery. It just is. I'm sure he is staying on top of it--it's not like he doesn't have access to health care.

Having your chest cracked open and having some bozo strip veins out of your body and do a patch job on your heart is not a walk in the park. He has earned the right to slow down a little, and look a bit peaked too, for that matter.

This guy is co-chairing the US tsunami fund raising effort, and he is leading the UN effort as well. I think he is doing better than more than 90 percent of heart bypass patients.

He needs to conserve his strength for greater things ahead. I'm hoping he'll follow Kofi Annan at the UN, myself...

[Avalux]

30. Well, let's start with the title

you could have asked about Clinton in a less sensationalistic way. Just curious, but where did you hear this on TV? I'm not trying to give you a hard time but it might have been helpful to phrase your question a little differently. :hi:

[Jackson4Gore]

35. Yes you are trying to make it something

You know what I meant by my title. Any good democrat wouldn't be sensationalistic about his condition. Frankly, I am insulted when people here try to start stuff like this when they know good and well what someone means.

[Just Me]

36. What is your objective? Would you tell?

There are SO MANY EGREGIOUS ASSAULTS BEING IMPOSED UPON OUR PEOPLE.

Yet, you post a "Clinton" thingy.

I won't question you as a person.

I will question your post which distracts from the NEEDLESS SUFFERING BEING IMPOSED UPON OUR PEOPLE!!!

I SINCERELY CARE ABOUT ALL MY PEOPLE. I OBJECT TO ALL DISTRACTIONS WHICH FAIL TO SERVE MY PEOPLE,...ALL THOSE PEOPLE WITH WHOM I AM A MEMBER!!!!

Whatever part of THAT you don't get PROVES you are for something other than our people,...the American people!!!

[hang a left]

60. He appeared taunt and pasty to me. His hair looked dryed out.

He was not his happy go lucky self, and he did appear lethargic and feeble when he walked. And I truly got the impression that he is not well

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[Jackson4Gore]

25. What is your problem?

[LittleClarkie]

22. Hopefully the Rascal King is doing alright

Bless him. We have to remember he is starting to get up there. Not really a supporter, but damn that boyish smile! He's our uberpolitician.

[sellitman]

24. Maybe he is "Deep Throat"?

Oh no.....that was Monica.....sorry.

:crazy:

[Placebo]

26. It's just bad lighting!

If you thought Clinton looked bad, I hope you saw Kerry when he was speaking. All I have to say is...oy.

[gulfcoastliberal]

27. My mom has mentioned this, and I agree -

Those heart/lung machines are very hard on the body and he did have his sternum cracked open then went and campaigned for Kerry like 8 weeks later.

He looks significantly older and more frail since the operation. There'sno doubt about it when you compare him to the pre-surgery Clinton.

[smurfygirl]

32. I think he looks great

considering the surgery he had. It's normal for him to look thinner. Most bypass recipients lose 20-50 pounds in the first six months after their surgery. I'm sure he is a bit tired, painkillers do that.
Quit knocking the man. You try having surgery like that and then looking like a runway model. GHEESH

[finecraft]

34. My guess...He's been hanging around Bush 41 too much

and the BFEE is sucking the life right out of him.

[dweller]

39. bong!! we have a winner!

damn, my bell needs tuning..
:smoke:


dp

[LittleClarkie]

47. I hope he hasn't let Junior give him a kiss

We've seen what THOSE do.

[lonestarnot]

48. Well that would make my dogs puke! Think Bubba gona be fine!

Love that Bubba!

[politicasista]

37. Where was Gore?

I thought he would have been there too. Did Clinton distance himself from him or what?

[Jackson4Gore]

38. I don't guess he was invited.

You know the DNC hasn't been on good terms with Gore now for a while since he started speaking his mind.

[98geoduck]

40. Gore must be part of the "liberals"

that just "think" the party has moved too far to the right.

[journalist3072]

43. He does look bad....

That surgery has aged him tremendously. At Christmas time, I talked to someone who used to work for him in the WH, who went to his library dedication, and that person told me he wasn't doing well at all.

[LittleClarkie]

46. Aw shit. Complications?

Or just a slow recovery?

[journalist3072]

51. I didn't ask for that person to elaborate.

I just figured slow recovery.

[Us vs Them]

50. Recently I've seen a pained expression on his face...

I know times are tough, but sometimes it looks like his best friend just died.

[LittleClarkie]

52. I think we've all had that expression on our faces the last few months

I have.

[BlueInRed]

59. I wonder if it has anything to do with not being able to campaign

for Kerry until the bitter end.

In addition to all the physical reasons for depression, he might be thinking if this hadn't happened, he could have campaigned, could have made a difference.

Certainly thinking of another 4 years of * is depressing me.

[KoKo]

54. I'm worried about him, too. In Davos

he gave a great talk to an audience, but he has a "tremor" in one of his fingers...made me think of Parkinson's disease for some reason.

It could be he's having an "after effect" of the surgery...and given that he's supposed to be "high wired" maybe he just is having a hard time dealing with that operation. He had many bypasses "Quadruple, I think" and Bypass Patients are warned that "depression" post surgery is one complication. Also sometimes the anesthesia and "heart/lung" machines cause after effects for months.

The tremor in his forefinger worried me though, and he kept scratching his head, like he was trying to push something out of the way, seemed odd body language for him. But, his talk was great although he also seemed a little grim.

I had a good friend who went through a quintuple bypass and I read all the cautionary literature about it that's why I posted. But, Clinton does seem a little off compared to my friend's progress. I don't know. I missed the C-Span thing tonight...just going on Davos over a week ago..where I saw him on C-Span. Could be his jubilant personality took a dive from the surgery and it's going to take him awhile...or there's a complication that developed.