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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:38 AM
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US Will Be Isolated If It Acts Militarily Against Iran
From Arab News (Saudi Arabia)

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=58584&d=6&m=2&y=2005

US Will Be Isolated If It Acts Militarily Against Iran
James C. Moore, The Independent

LONDON, 6 February 2005 —
President Bush’s rhetorical flourishes against tyranny, both in his State of the Union speech and his inaugural address, have left Britain, the rest of the EU and much of America wondering if Iran will be the next target of US military might. The consternation is great, and not without cause. Under the Bush administration, a pathology has emerged for asserting foreign policy, and each step foreshadows the next: The president expounds vague principles to stir American hearts and, subsequently, lower administration officials mumble the frightening details. That’s the way the US ended up occupying Iraq, and it is how any move will be made against Iran.

President Bush’s thinking on Iran is readily discernible. A few hours before Bush’s inauguration, Vice President Dick Cheney said on a radio talk show that “Iran is at the top of the list” of trouble spots because of “a fairly robust nuclear program”. A similar public pronouncement about Iraq by Cheney proved to be unfounded, but had, nonetheless, the political effect of generating public support for invasion. The day after his State of the Union speech, President Bush repeated his conviction that Iran was “the world’s primary state sponsor of terrorism”. The White House ought to have diminished credibility on such allegations after Iraq, but the American public continues, disturbingly, to listen and trust.

Is the information about Iran any better than it was about Iraq? There is no incontrovertible evidence — for public consumption — that Iran has nuclear capabilities. There are reports, however, and they come from eerily similar sources to those that led the US into Iraq. The National Council of Resistance of Iran, a group of exiles who want to overthrow the ruling clerics, said in Paris last week that Iran had conducted experiments with a nuclear weapon triggering mechanism. The Iraqi National Congress, CIA-funded Iraqi exiles who wanted the US to depose Saddam Hussein, used the same tactic when articulating Saddam’s alleged nuclear indiscretions.

The safest assumption is that Bush believes Iran is acquiring nuclear capability. No one need be an expert at diplomacy to reach an unsettling conclusion on how Bush intends to deal with Iran. At the end of a lengthy interview with the conservative Washington Times, President Bush asked the assembled reporters if they had read Nathan Sharansky’s book The Case for Democracy. A former Soviet refusenik and an Israeli Cabinet member, the right-wing Sharansky has been criticized for promoting the destruction of non-democratic regimes and avoiding appeasement.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:56 AM
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1. Will they overplay their hand?
The lines are drawn. We have no compeling reason to invade yet another country. Multi-lateral alliances are being formed;a majority of Americans and the world are clearly against any further wars of 'democracy'.

I sense this group is too far committed to stop...perhaps this must come to a head, once and for all.
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progressiveright Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 01:58 AM
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2. unless
Iran acts first, with indesputable evidence to the case in matter.

Which is not likely to happen. I seriously doubt we will be starting a war with Iran.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:52 AM
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7. Saw this provocative scenario posted elsewhere on DU
Edited on Sun Feb-06-05 03:55 AM by lebkuchen
about how the US will create another Pearl Harbor by provoking Iran to attack the US first. Condi is already provoking Iran with her insistance that attacking Iran is "not on US agenda at this point in time," (leaving the door wide open to attack in the near future).

The piece below hypothesizes that Israel will provoke Iran further (as Israel had already done to Syria in 2003), by attacking them first, w/Iran retaliating against the US, hitting bases in Iraq and US ships in the Gulf. Those attacks would push the US public into agreeing to the need for a draft and all out war with Iran/the Middle East.

The first half of this piece is about Pearl Harbor. The second half ties in Pearl Harbor with a present-day deja-vu. (Whoever posted it first on DU, thanks.)


http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1349.htm
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:14 AM
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3. I think they want desperately to go to war with Iran...
but just haven't found the means or public excuse to yet.

If we actually do pull troops out of Iraq, or close down the bases in Germany, we're going in. They'll find some bullshit excuses, just like they did with Iraq.

They'll try, at least, but I think they'll find far more resistance this time. Congress won't be fooled twice, and even the Republicans won't want this. They're already looking at a big loss in this Social Security nonsense on top of the mess in Iraq.

Watch the buzz around the Hill. They'll pass it by Republican leaders first to see if they can find a way to get a war resolution through.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:38 AM
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4. Tom DeLay's persuasiveness (scumbaggery?) will win over
any protesting congressional Repuke. And no need to worry about the american public falling into lockstep. Rush, Sean, Savage, Scarborough, and O'Leilly will see to that.
"I-ran" - here we come!
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 02:53 AM
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5. As much as I detest Republicans, do they not ALSO deserve to hear this?
What the hell do we do with the American media which is dragging us down all kinds of roads we don't need to go on?

How can we expect people to support or not support a war if they are not FULLY informed of the ramifications?

Personally, I no longer watch any commercial tv, just Free Speech TV, Link TV and some HBO. But what of the sheeple? How can we hope to ever inform them of the dangers? It's like our hands are tied and we will watch them support our OWN DEMISE!
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:34 AM
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9. Free Speech TV??
First I've heard about it. Tell me more. Maybe I can start a campaign to get my cable company to carry it.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 03:42 AM
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6. Israel will do the deed. The US will then play "mediator".
Betcha $5.00


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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-06-05 11:31 AM
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8. That why Condi
will slip a quiet word to Sharon. Poof! The problem disappears. Israel can take the heat because, well, how much worse can their PR become? Bush retains "plausible deniability". Besides, what can the French and Germans do? Nothing! And if they could, I have yet to see any evidence they have the nuts to do it. Talk is cheap, and that's all they have to offer. There might be some economic repercussions, but maybe not. Screwing with international trade is a two-edged sword that can cut the wielder as readily as the opponent.
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