Judy Woodruff and Chuck Todd doing their best to screw Howard Dean!

[Debi]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/01/ip.01.html

WOODRUFF: Chuck, there was all this talk that those in the party were worried Howard Dean is too liberal, he's going to send the wrong signal, it's going to be hard for the party to raise money. There was going to be a Stop Dean candidate or an anti-Dean. Why hasn't one emerged strong enough to do any damage?

TODD: The problem is it's the people that were supposedly looking for the Stop Dean candidates, the Clintons, the Congressional Democratic leadership of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, they didn't get together and talk to each other and get behind one candidate.

So that was one problem is that you had different people thinking that there was a Stop Dean movement. The other thing was misreading the state chairs a little bit. That maybe -- that there was this idea that there was going to be a majority out there that were against Dean. And the fact is the anti-Dean movement is not a movement at all, but more of an idea that didn't have the resonance inside the states that I think the smart people here in Washington thought.

WOODRUFF: Very quickly, Chuck, how much upset is there going to be in the Democratic party if Howard Dean is elected chair?

TODD: I think there's going to be less than we're all predicting. I think there's going to be some searching. The media is going to try to find some breaks. Dean has been very careful to keep a low profile at these forums. He's been the guy who's been sort of holding himself back, sort of making fun of the caricature that is Howard Dean. What will be an interesting test for the party is what happens when the RNC, which had a whole bunch of opposition research on Howard Dean, when they thought he was going to be President Bush's opponent, decides to start dripping that out right after Dean's elected and just see if they can make Dean completely untenable in Alabama, in Georgia, where he can't even go and raise money. How the party holds itself together, going through what could be a tough two- month stretch, will be interesting.

[bush_is_wacko]

1. Bring it on bushCo....Your true cowardice is becoming clearer and clearer

by the day. Your thugs aren't doing a very good job of defending you either. their non answers and denials are quite telling. Alberto Gonzales didn't have anything to do with the memo he was asked to speak about and help enact. He doesn't remember what happened. He can't discuss it. Why? Perhaps because he knows just how bad it looks for you. No president in history has EVER so misused his executive privilege!

[cthrumatrix]

21. invite Dean on the show and go "face to face"....cowards

[hollowdweller]

38. Dean as chair and Clinton as UN Sec'y General GOP's nightmare

Can you imagine? The right wing is always dissing the UN and really the UN has never had a very good spokesman. Clinton is the perfect foil to the anti UN people and Dean is the perfect foil to the GOP!

[bush_is_wacko]

39. Dean and bush together might be fun...

No prearranged questions just duke it out. Dean could easily manage him!

[fob]

2. WTF is Chuck Todd? This guy who was a guest speaker at the Soap and

Detergent Association's Fall 2003 Meeting?

http://www.cleaning101.com/meetings/Fall.html

EDIT: Dr. Dean, first thing you need to do is get a group of Democrats that can think and speak on these fucking shows. Where do they come up with these clowns?

[Edgewater_Joe]

3. Here's The Proof Todd's A Dolt

"What will be an interesting test for the party is what happens when the RNC, which had a whole bunch of opposition research on Howard Dean, when they thought he was going to be President Bush's opponent, decides to start dripping that out right after Dean's elected and just see if they can make Dean completely untenable in Alabama, in Georgia, where he can't even go and raise money."

Um, dumbass, do you even KNOW how Dean "raises money" in places like AL, GA, and throughout the country? There's this device in homes called a "computer," and sometimes you can set up your computer to talk to other computers ...

Talk about someone totally, TOTALLY out of the loop!

[Clark2008]

5. I have a question

And I don't want to get flamed, but it is a serious question.

How much money HAS Dean raised from the South?
I ask because he didn't do well in the early Southern/mid-Western primaries with voters, who give the money, and I just wanted to know how much he gets from down this way.

Anyone have any links or info?

[Edgewater_Joe]

6. He's Done Better Than Raise Money

DFA - the organization Dean created after his campaign - helped get local officials ELECTED (I believe there's a judge in AL and some state reps in GA, but if you look their site up they'll have the stats), which is one of the main reasons why I support him. THAT is what the Dems need to do, and Dean's been doing it.

[ultraist]

47. DFA endorsed & contributed campaign money to several Southern candidates

DFA endorsed and contributed to candidates in Southern states such as :GA, NC, Al, & AK.

Here are a few Southern candidates DFA contributed to and won:

Julia Boseman State Senate NC 51% Yes
Anita Kelly Circuit Judge AL 51% Yes
Alisha Thomas Morgan GA Assembly GA 66% Yes
Justice Gail Tusan Superior Court Justice GA -- Yes
http://democracyforamerica.com/dd_returns.php

[ultraist]

45. Edwards came in second in La, Tn, Ga, Va, he won SC & NC

Edwards also came in second in nearly every state including Iowa.

What Southern primaries were held before Dean dropped out?

I really don't think the fact that Dean didn't do well in the Southern primaries is relevant to how well he will do as Chair. As Chair, he will to implement strategies to 'work it' in the South. Running for office is far different than running the party.

[janx]

7. HA! And look at this:

And the fact is the anti-Dean movement is not a movement at all, but more of an idea that didn't have the resonance inside the states that I think the smart people here in Washington thought.

The "smart" people in Washington? If they'd been smart, maybe they would have traveled west of the Ohio River to see what reality was like!

Because out here...PEOPLE LOVE HOWARD DEAN! :loveya: :toast:

LOL

[Cha]

18. I caught, too!

"where he can't even go and raise money."

Watch him!..mr. fucking chuck todd!

[ultraist]

46. Exactly!

It's not just Dean's personality that will be used to raise money anyway. Dean will be smart about it and have people that appeal to Southerners be the face of the fundraiser or the keynote speaker. He knows what he is doing with fundraising and he knows how important it is to work the South.

It will be interesting to see who Dean liasons with in the South. I think Dean has already helped Mary Landrieu, the LA Senator, with her last campaign, that she won.

[Tom Rinaldo]

4. Whatever the RNC "Had" on Dean won't matter now

Most Americans don't care who the Party Chair of any Party is. They usually can't name a single one of them which is a reflection of how important the issue is to most Americans. Sure they have heard of Dean, and I think that would be a good thing no matter how the RNC tries to spin him. But Dean isn't running for President, the reasons that could possibly have made some hesitate about electing Dean Commander in Chief are out the window.

The Republicans always make a Democrat their bogeyman of the month. If it isn't Dean it would be Kennedy, or Pelosi, or Clinton. I think it is a non issue what the Republicans have or don't have on Dean.

[janx]

10. Most Americans are going to care soon if Dean is elected.

Especially the Republicans! B-)

Just watch and wait, Tom...

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. I didn't mean it quite the way it sounded, lol

By that point, Republican will have real reasons to attack Dean and Democrats will see what he can do for us. I meant that the type of "ammunition" that Republicans stockpiled against all of our potential Presidential candidates is pretty much useless against someone who will be heading an openly partisan organization rather than seeking to become President. What can they do, call Dean liberal, hateful, hypocritical? They always pick a few Democratic targets to make those charges against to rally their own base anyway, if not Dean, someone else would do just as fine for their purposes. I'm not worried about the RNC going after Dean, but they have reasons to worry about the opposite.

[janx]

28. You're right of course; it won't work. They tried to find

anything they could during the primaries, and they made things up when they didn't find anything.

But should he win the chair, he will be their chief target until a presidential nominee emerges in 2008.

To ramble a bit...

Look at it this way: One of the reasons some Dems don't want Dean to win this contest is because he is a strong figure that might transform the office of DNC chair, that he is too outspoken and would be too strong a figure and might overshadow the presidential nominee. (As to the last, he won't, but some people are assuming this.) YET--it is this position of strength, one that in fact belongs to rank-and-file Americans, that will eventually be the wingnuts' undoing. They are organized, but the bottom-up philosophy that Dean wants to encourage just doesn't exist in the right wing. If we combine great organization with this bottom-up strategy (something that some Dems have been afraid or unwilling to do), we could create a real renaissance in American politics.

The DNCers in the states aren't afraid to do this. They've been yearning for something like this for years. That's one major reason they overwhelmingly support Dean.

I'm so glad that Dean decided to do this. Whatever the outcome, it will have been worth the risk. But I hope the Dean momentum continues, because we all stand to gain if he wins. :hi:

[BlueInRed]

8. Yeah, I got the impression the goal was to divide Dems

And it would be typical R strategy, divide and conquer.

[bluedog]

9. I'm Puzzled

as to why the GOP party and the news media are so worried about what we do in our party.

one would think that the GOP would have enough to worry about in keeping their God bush in control and keeping their own party members in line......

message to GOP and media whores:
like clean your own dirty houses first .....yours is in dire need of disinfecting.......after all the lies this administration has told and the media falling in line.......you are trying to distract and distort the truth

[Debi]

11. They're afraid because with Dean at the helm

Our ship will sail straight and strong! No more mamby-pamby we can be just like the Republicans crap! We'll stand as Democrats :kick: and be proud of it!

[janx]

12. C'mon...really?

If Dean is elected chair, there could well be a rebirth of the Dem party in the form of a populist movement that would scare the wits out of the wingnuts!

And the news media? Remember what Dean said about them?!

[Cha]

22. Good Advice, Bluedog!

:toast:

[gratuitous]

13. Oh boy

Is there anyone here who thinks the party should tie itself up in knots to please Judy Woodruff? This is one of the last people the Democrats should be worried about what she thinks.

[Debi]

14. SHE THINKS?

:shrug:

[gratuitous]

16. I suppose . . .

If you categorized an amoeba-like stimulus-response reaction as "thinking," then I think what Judy does might qualify. Otherwise, you're probably right. :hi:

[Cha]

24. Not really...she wrings her hands

about Dems and lies her ass off for repukes.

[Melynn]

17. Can anyone tell me

Why establishment Democrats are so afraid of Dean. Dean seems pretty moderate to me, not the bomb throwing radical that Democrat insiders think that he is. I don't get it. :shrug:

[Debi]

20. They fear losing their jobs in D.C.

As comfy consultants, pollsters, fundraisers, etc.

He's grown the movement from the ground up. We won't need Establishment Democrats in charge w/Dean around.

You, me, our neighbors...we'll all have a say in the Democratic Party.

What a change that will be!

[Melynn]

23. We have a winner!!!!!

I think you're right. It's the only explanation that I heard that makes sense so I'm going with it.

I've been for Dean right from the start and I think that he will make a great chairman. :toast:

[Cha]

27. And, remember what Dean and

Kerry said about breaking up the media conglomerates..they are veritably shaking in their high priced boots. :scared:

I hope that's change I smell a coming.

[Melynn]

30. The Internet , the new media and the blogs

is in the process of breaking up the media conglomerates. By posting on this website we are breaking up the old media conglomerates. The Justice Department and legislation make break up the old media but it is already in the process of dying.

[Cha]

32. I saw a 'toon before the election

on DU that had "dinosaurs" with the word "media" on them and a meteorite coming to Earth with the word "internet" on it!

I was hoping!

[Cha]

26. I got this from Janx..last night on a thread..

[janx]

29. And I, in turn, got it from "somewhere else"...

It sums things up pretty well--but less now than during the primaries. I think that some people have finally figured out that it's not about Dean; it's about us. That's what the guy has been saying all along.

[Cha]

31. Yeah, more in the primaries but

still it was in the Boston Globe on Jan. 24,2005..

I think many Dems who don't like rockin' the boat fear Dean and the People!

[janx]

34. As my mother once said (to my complete surprise):

TOUGHSKI SHITSKI! ;-)

[Obviousman]

19. ???!!! If anything, Dean brings fundraising to a new level

He can raise money in any damned state of the union! I can't stand Judy Woodruff. These people dont know anything! Did they do ANY research at all?!!

[Dr Fate]

25. Who cares what a 70 year old in clown make-up & a mini-skirt thinks?

n/t

[Jacobin]

33. Republicans don't like Howard

And, btw, he's not very liberal, if you look at his policy positions.

Guess we need to start listening to Judy WoofWoof on who to pick for Dem chair

[janx]

35. They don't like Howard because he represents some of

the real American values the Republicans abandoned when they went so far to the right.

[TheWebHead]

36. It's about time there was some thoughtful examination of Dean as chair

I've been amazed at the lack of media focus on Dean's shortcomings as party chair, especially in wake of his recent "I hate the Republicans" and "the evil Republican machine" remarks, which only reinforce his out of control, loose cannon reputation. He is a nightmare choice as party chair and will only damage our cause in '06... I can only hope in the next few days the intensity to bring him down will go into overdrive and allow Rosenberg or if necessary Fowler to edge him out.

[w4rma]

37. Are you NicolasJ's other DU account? (nt)

[TheWebHead]

41. of course not

though I'm fully aware ABD is a pretty lonely position @ DU. What you want in a national party figure when in the minority party is not someone who already having a reputation as a "lefty hothead" to out of the gate uses terminology like "hate" or "evil" when referring to the opposing party. I remember on November 3rd the soul searching here that recognized we can't just throw away 200+ electoral votes and be forced to run the table with left-leaning states. Somehow that idea has vanished in the past few months here.

[rniel]

44. He's not running for president

Doesn't have to please these asshole swing voters.

[Zensea]

40. If the media hasn't been paying attention to it, it's because they know

that it's harder to brainwash the 444 voting who are paying attention whether the media does or not, than it is to brainwash the masses who are just somwhat paying attention and can be swayed very easily by soundbites, lies and misrepresentations.

[Avalux]

42. Who cares what Pinchface Judy says

bring it on MSM!

[rniel]

43. Howard Dean

Is NOT the most liberal guy out there by a longshot. They just say that because he was against the war.

I don't want to listen to any more crap about him. He's my fucking hero. And to all other democratic leaders I want to say to them: lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

[Bluebear]

48. "There was all this talk"....WHO Judy? WHO said that?

"Some people say" you never reveal who these people are, Judy, can you tell us, "very quickly"?