I'm Amazed At How Effectively They Have Made This About "Freeing" Iraq!

[DistressedAmerican]

How are they getting away with this massive PR whitewash of a dismal failure of a disarmament program? I can not believe how little people are mentioning the reason we went to Iraq! When we have rolled into Iran or Syria and found nothing, will we let get away with it again?

Is it that the American people have selective amnesia or has the media and BushCo. brainwashed the nation?

What frightens me is that this new euphoria about the elections will make the country MORE COMPLACENT than ever.

My question to the administration remains the same was it was the day this shot was taken, Nov. 2 2004, a day which will live in infamy!

[cthrumatrix]

1. MSM is an enabler of this war ... propaganda has never been questioned

even after they find out that people have been paid..it's all about corporation greed and power and $$$$$$$$$$$$

[Skidmore]

2. They've run a classic shell game

like any street con. What did PT Barnum say bout suckers?

[FreedomAngel82]

29. I know it's so funny it's sad

That nobody seems to remember the WMD's except for non-Bush supporters. It's like "we're freeing the Iraqi's!" I was listening to Max Cleland on AAR earlier this morning and he was saying how since the Sunni's boycotted the election the majority of the people who voted were Shite's and Kurds and they're kissing cousin's to Iran, so if BushCo attack Iran it'll be an even bloodier civil war. :\

[pnutchuck]

3. Not only does the MSlutM enable this war, but the military

infrastructure is so tight, many of the grieving families don't care why we went there in the first place.

see here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3038611

I have family that are career military they and their children call themselves "RW Chistian conservatives" As long as people are willing to go, Bush will find some place to send them.

[DistressedAmerican]

5. You're right!. Yeah I've been seeing a lot of stories about

how happy the families are the Iraqis are voting because it proves their loved ove "did not die in vain". I still say it was in vain until they come up with some freaking WMD!

[FreedomAngel82]

30. One night last week

Malloy took a freeper and he was going on about how Bush promised elections and they had them and Malloy kept asking him why he wasn't in Iraq and his only reason was "I'm not a solider." :eyes:

[tom_paine]

4. The have long ago perfected the "highways and byways"

of the Bushevik Propaganda Infrastructure I like to call Goebbels v2.0.

There is literally no lie that cannot be laundered into conventional wisdom nor any truth, no matter how crystal clear and factually demonstrable, that cannot be opfuscated.

Think of the Phony Saddam Statue Toppling, made to appear similar to the Berlin Wall being pulled down.

Later, it was revealed in the Press of the Free World that it was sham perpetrated by the Empire, that the area was sealed off an some of Chalabi's Boys were flown in to pretend to be exuberent random citizens.

Which in and of itself was the template used by the Brooks Brother Rioters who shut down the Miami Recount in 2000.

And if the facts trickle out in the Free World or even Imperial Amerika, it will NOT be aired by Corporate TV Pravda and thus no one will ever know about it.

And thus: success.

And now you have a taste of what the opposition to the Nazis or Soviets must have felt.

[DistressedAmerican]

6. You are right about history. It does suggest that there is no

end in sight to the massive spinfest!

Is that true about the toppling event? I had not heard that before. Sure seems plausible though. Got any links. I'm VERY intrigued.

[tom_paine]

8. Here's good links

http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/63998

http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/PostWar/Media.asp

I will continue looking for the BBC and other Free World publications that "outed" this later on and corroborated this speculation.

For now, all I will say is that I remember clearly when the Free World confirmed what we Trapped behind the televised Curtain of Imperial Amerika.

[DistressedAmerican]

10. Thanks for that link. VERY interesting

And it reminded me that the whole propoganda event took place on my birthday!

[Vinnie From Indy]

7. WMD's? Freedom? It Doesn't Matter. The money keeps pouring in!

It's about the Benjamin's. A long, drawn-out war in a land atop an ocean of oil is a sort of "value-added Vietnam redux". These guys, Cheney,Rumsfeld and folks at the Carlyle Group have learned from Vietnam. They were on the scene during Vietnam and they learned two important lessons. One, control the media. Tet, Walter Cronkite and the anti-war movement denied them many more years of profit. Two, they learned that invading a country merely to make a few billion on armaments was missing the big picture. Invade a country with an ocean of oil and you can make money stealing from American tax payers AND Iraqis at the SAME TIME!

[DistressedAmerican]

9. How can you be so cynical?

After all Halliburton just agreed to stop doing business with IRAN!?!?

Our of the sheer kindness of their hearts they are forgoing profits. I can only assume that they will make that and then some on the post invasion business!

FYI - A search of CNN.com does not reveal a single story on that recent halliburton move. VERY TELLING!

[FreedomAngel82]

31. Exactly

Go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch the movie "The Carlyle Group." It starts out in another language but it's 90% English.
It answers a lot of question's. At least for me anyways. They also have some good movies on other stuff too.

[ClassWarrior]

11. Good. Iraq is free. Now let's GET OUT!!

NGU.

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[JoshK]

16. BWAHahaha! Gee, what an intelligent opinion!

You sure are a sophisticated consumer of propaganda, aren't you?

Thanks for the laugh.

[Vinnie From Indy]

17. LOL! Typical Right Wing Argument Here!

Broad, vague and unsupported!

[DistressedAmerican]

18. I do not know what has changed?

Different names on the puppet counsel?

Was it worth 200 billion, over 1,400 US dead, and over 100,000 dead Iraqis? And that is just SO FAR.

I can not agree that this was the way to go about things. We are way too soon after the election to start assuming that "were turning the corner", to quote the monkey.

The large turnout reflected little more than the percentage of Iraqis that are Shiite and Kurd. Nothing has changed from the Sunni perspective. They will keep fighting. We will keep killing and dying ourselves.

What do you think has changed in the situation over there that so radically changed your mind? Maybe I'm missing something.

In my opinion, a three way partition of the country is the best way to end the violence. The only issue I see is the locations of the oil fields which are restricted to the north and south. Maybe some cooperative deal to split oil profits between the three groups? That would stop one minority group from being dominated by the majority groups and an oil deal would give them a reason to work together. What do you folks think 'bout that?

[FrenchieCat]

22. You flatter yourself in utilizing words such as-- "You think"...

I for one am not amazed on how the corporate media works hand in hand with the Corporate Robber Barons and their government puppets to sell bullshit as fact to the American People! You being convinced after reading the papers and some columnists is "par for the course".

Those papers that you are reading report and then decide for you ....what it is that you should "think" and "conclude". We have had so much of the blatant display of media manipulation of the masses during the run-up to the Iraq War, the Democratic Presidential Primaries and the general election until those who didn't pick up on it can only be called truly "uninformed and suckered". The media distorts, promotes, rumor mongers, practices reporting of personal destruction and agrandizes those ideals and individuals that they choose to. They are very adept at this game of political manipulation of its viewers, readers and the general voting public.

The media reports on itself as though it is a viable undisputed source. The go round will start by a blurp published in the New York Post, followed by a piece in the Wall Street Journal. Fox News (or some other electronic media presstitute)will pick up the story and attribute it to one of those two papers, if not both.....have a journalist on to discuss the smear, inuendo, gossip or whatever they are pushing at the time. From there, the "product story line" will be reported about in Newsweek or Time magazine and find it's way over to MSnbc or CNN, and from there find it's way to the New York Time and/or WAPO. Shortly thereafer, the topic will find itself being reported about on the Network News. Once a complete run of those named above has occurred, it becomes solidified as a fact.....and there is not stopping it from there. the final "coup the gras" is when the story reaches AP for dessimination--at that point, denial of the story (even if false) would be like stopping the Tsunami with an umbrella.

For absolute effect, chosen polster will herald a poll that agrees with the concensus that was media manipulated....for good measure.

As a sucker is born everyday....Bushco, it's party operatives and presstitute minions have the power to shape whatever "conventional Wisdom" they wish......and they know it.

[shrike]

23. Like you ever thought Bush was wrong in the first place

Mr. One Post.

[WMliberal]

26. An unjust means corrupts a just ends.

Do you prefer sausage or pepperoni?
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[w4rma]

32. Do you get paid for parroting this stuff? (nt)

[bunkerbuster1]

35. I've seen the light!

Why, it's coming straight from Chimpy's bunghole.

yeppers, I'm so glad that we're on the hook for at least $300 billion to produce a weekend's worth of warm/fuzzy video, conveniently in time for Dear Leader's STFU... er, SOTU address.

That works out to just one grand of new debt per American. What value!

[Roland99]

13. The sheep are lapping it up...just look here:

http://www.gopusa.com/activist/pollvault/2005/0131_iraq.shtml

[DistressedAmerican]

15. JESUS! I guess I'll have to assume that is NOT a scientific poll!

Total sheep!

[WMliberal]

36. haha. 47% still think he had WMD's

:crazy:

[Roland99]

44. Remember that PIPA study? Looks like we found the source of the idiots!!

[WMliberal]

45. actually, I think the PIPA study found less. These people are just so dumb

that they skew the rest of the population.

[Contrary1]

37. LoL...60% of the available choices are "Yes".

[JoshK]

It's absolutely a type of "Brainwashing" --

We're exposed to intense propaganda 24/7/365, and NONE of it is permitted to express any view that's unflattering to the financial powers controlling the nation. It's actually more hideous than the vision of 1984 because it's more subtle and refined. The US version presents the whitewash as though it comes from a "free" media. At least in the Orwell novel, the Party didn't pretend there was anything "free" about the state propaganda.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

14. It's a byproduct, and a welcome one

Everyone accepts this as a "well while we're their let's do something good" situation. It doesn't matter how we got here now as what we're going to do about it now takes precedence.
Nobody questions the intrinsic good of replacing Saddam 'the ruthless dictator' with a democracy (or something resembling it).
I certainly agree that we need to clean up the mess we made as much as possible.
It sucks for us but that is where we are at now.

[DistressedAmerican]

20. Who is this Everyone that agrees?

How can you ever say it doesn't matter HOW we got there. As long as there was a better way and we did not take it, it matters. As long as they keep "staying the course" it matters.

My question to you is "what we're going to do about it now"? Do you see some bright new future following the election?

[hector459]

19. No, now it's about freeing the world!

A true megalomaniac.

[Norquist Nemesis]

21. 51% either don't want to admit or just can't believe

that they have been snookered by their own government. It's just the way it is, unfortunately. Sort of like someone telling you your Dad, whom you love and trust, is a murderer. You're not going to believe it unless you personally witness something that shakes your belief that he is a good, kind, loving, decent guy.

Of course if all of your life your Dad's been verbally abusing you, beating you, pulling the rug out from under you or some other such behaviors, then you're more inclined to grab onto the thought that he's a murderer and start looking to verify it so he goes away. If your family and friends that you look to for support are huge defenders of your Dad (as the media and influential government institutions are for Bush), you'll have the murderer thought in the back of your mind but won't actively seek confirmation.

At least that's the way I justify this madness.

[FreedomAngel82]

33. Totally right on the ball

It will take something shock and awe to bring people against BushCo. As long as they have control over the media nobody will believe it unless they open their eyes and mind.

[OneTwentyoNine]

24. Yeah,if this keeps up men and women can stand in the same line to vote!

There were a couple more pics in our paper yesterday of only men in line to vote. With a wide angle lens I guess they could have shown the women on the other side of the street.

[DistressedAmerican]

28. Saw those myself

but, I have to admit the irony didn't occur to me 'til you pointed it out!

[opihimoimoi]

25. The Ends does NOT JUSTIFY the MEANS>>>> This so called elections

are a step in the right direction for the Iraqi People...but it is a smoke screen for the Bushco hidden agenda.

Who is next? Kim? The Saudis? Bush failsd at home because he can't think of shit so he ventures into other peoples back yards...and creates a garden there... what about OUR GARDEN?

We have feelings too.

[WMliberal]

38. Kim is dead. His son "Lil' Kim" is in charge/our crosshairs

:P

[WMliberal]

27. well, it was brought to you by the same crew that did the

Orwellian Osama to Hussein switch. This time, instead of switching who Americans are chanting against during their "three minutes of hate," they switched why we're hating.

[CWebster]

34. Especially since it was Sistani who insisted on

"one man. one vote" while Bush objected to the idea of democracy.
But like most things, yesterday's news hasn't got anything to do with today's spin.

[Al-CIAda]

39. I'm Amazed At How Effectively They Have Made This About "Freeing" Iraq!"

Well, yes, the enabling corporate press- but also our spinless Dem 'leaders' who allow it to happen and join in on the chorus.

[DistressedAmerican]

40. Absolutely

They can and will be held to account for their part. As much as I'd like to blame exclusively Repugs for this disaster the Dems certainly have enabled the BushCo. oil addiction.

I am committed to working against ANY dem that works WITH THE ENEMY! They can run (for office) but they cannot hide (their voting records). That goes for Rice and Gonzalez too!

[Sparkle]

41. We can thank the media for letting this administration get away with that.

[El Fuego]

42. They need to be freed from the invading force

Oh wait -- that's US, isn't it???? Isn't Iraq only being "freed" now from US occupation?

I must say the spin on this has me absolutely nauseous. Brainwashing is exactly what it is. We went from Iraq as an clear and imminent threat, to the search for WMDs, to this rah-rah election farce.

And the ultimate irony is this: invading a country allegedly to free the people from repression--isn't that a F*CKING LIBERAL CAUSE? They're co-opting a "liberal agenda" to further their own agenda?

If Bill Clinton ever wanted to spend billions in U.S. dollars and send soldiers to die to "free" a nation from tyranny, the right wing would be screaming at the bleeding heart liberal.

Hey W!! What about the lack of democracy in non-oil producing countries? Answer that!

[Mr. Grieves]

43. I don't get it either

Freedom in Iraq is subject to being blown-up, losing power, not having enough oil, and not having good sewage systems thanks to America. Bush can shove his nonexistent domino theory up his ass if he thinks these elections will, in the long run, materialze. He needs to stop worrying about imposing ideals and look at the basis of America itself.