FOX is attacking Kennedy - saying he's encouraging terrorists!

[Tigress DEM]

Here is the text of his speech so people can make up their own mind.


http://kennedy.senate.gov/index_high.html


FOX also is attacking us DEMS because Ted stood up to the war and the rest aren't.

[NYCGirl]

1. DON'T WATCH FOX! NT

[Tigress DEM]

4. Have to keep track of the Enemy's tactics.

BTW - not watching. My husband had it on as background noise while doing the dishes.

Besides, then I know what letters to the editor I should write and what to put on protest signs. <g>

[Tigress DEM]

6. Froddo failed! Bush has the ring! n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Why don't the dems

just stay away from media and everything and let the republicans blow up everything in their own faces? Just work on what they can in D.C.?

[LostInAnomie]

2. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

They'll call them cowards if they don't follow Ted's lead. They'll call them traitors if they do.

Fuck Faux

[FreedomAngel82]

23. The pathetic thing is

when Kennedy said it they called him a traitor etc. and then either Bush or someone from his administration said the same thing and you don't hear that. *sigh* You just can't win!

[joefree1]

3. Bush is the biggest recruiter Terrorist

The world knows this. The borg-agains that watch Faux News don't.

MURDOCH THE DEFENDER OF REPRESSIVE REGIMES: The last governor of Hong Kong before it was handed back to China, Chris Patten, signed a contract to write his memoirs with Murdoch's publishing company, HarperCollins. But according to the Evening Standard, when "Murdoch heard that the book, East and West, would say unflattering things about the Chinese leadership, with whom he was doing satellite TV business, the contract was cancelled. It caused a furor in the press - except, of course, in the Murdoch papers, which barely mentioned the story." According to BusinessWeek, internal memos surfaced suggesting the canceling of the contract was motivated by "corporate worries about friction with China, where HarperCollins' boss, Rupert Murdoch, has many business interests."

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=122948

[Maestro]

7. Hell yeah!

Right on.

[FreedomAngel82]

24. I remember reading that

before 9/11 Al-Quaeda were around in 45 countries and now they're in 60.

[quiet.american]

5. I would have been shocked if they DIDN'T say that!

They're so utterly and wholly predictable.

[Tigress DEM]

12. But ignoring them isn't making them go away.

How much would it take to get our real news sites the attention they need to give people another option?

[Maestro]

8. They were saying the same about Clark

It's a coordinated attack on the part of rethugs to deflect attention that is the farce of elections in Iraq.

[Tigress DEM]

13. Did Clark support Ted or have his own justified rant?

[Sparkly]

19. No rant

Just not enough mindless cheering, and too much insistence on putting things in truthful perspective, to satisfy the media Ho's. I'm not sure about Fox, but I posted on Scarborough's treatment of this -- he included Kennedy in his accusations of "providing comfort to the terrorists," as well as Clark and Albright.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1545023

[Tigress DEM]

33. Thanks - If these elections were fair, we'd all be happy for Iraq...

Problem is the country running these elections is US and we can't even get our own president elected fairly.

[cclevel]

51. Really?

God bless the Iraqis! These people BRAVED the fact that they would possibly die from their action and yet voted their hearts. This is TRUE Democracy. Whether you like it or not. Whether it is a true form of Democracy or Theocracy, it is THEIR choice. God bless our troops for all their efforts and sacrifice, irregardless of party affilliation. The people of IRAQ have spoken, now it is time for ALL OF US to respect their voice no matter what our party affiliation is.

[Tigress DEM]

73. Well, you must have been there and know more than I do.

From what I read, the 4 most populous sections were not having any voting because it was too volatile. There was a rush to get this vote out without securing those areas which represented a healthy share of their population.

Let's say California, Ohio, Florida and Nevada couldn't have been "secured" for our election, how would that have skewed things for our election?

I certainly would like to give the Iraqis back there country and I do applaud those who went out and voted in face of possible death.

I simply don't think this election was run any more fairly than ours was and the people being put in power aren't really reflective of Iraq's choice if a huge segment of their population was kept out of the vote.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Support the troops eh?

Until they're against you and then they're traitors. Just like they did with Clark and Kerry. They really piss me off.

[Sparkly]

28. Exactly.

Clark, Kerry, Cleland, even McCain, and also Gore as I'm sure you recall -- they griped that he was "only" a journalist in Vietnam and pretended he had "bodyguards" (as if anybody was safe in Vietnam, and as if a bodyguard could have saved anybody from what was going on there!). Gore, too, was there even though he didn't have to go (in fact Nixon wished he hadn't gone because of his father's outspokenness against the war).

[Tigress DEM]

34. People who serve this country get served Shit afterward...

My dad was a disabled vet and we were more financially strapped than a lot of the Blacks and Hispanics I knew in my nice little ghetto in El Monte, CA. I guess I should say "barrio"

He took bullets up the spine hanging from a parachute and survived. His reward was 80-20 Champ VA for his family and 100% coverage for himself with VA docs who repeatedly mis-diagnosed his colon cancer as hemorrhoids.

[cclevel]

53. Guess What!

I love your dad! He is the truest form of heros our country could ever have. I have the fondest respect for your father and the deepest love for his affection and service to our country. I served 20 years and my ONLY sacrifice was my time. Your father gave more, and for that I salute him. He is what heros are about. You ask alot from our so called leaders who are SUPPOSE to represent us. Yet they exempt THEMSELVES of all the barriers in place and provide themselves ample benefits. But it is THESE representatives who fail to realize who it is called to sacrifice their very lives. It is THESE REPRESENTATIVES who failed to recognize the REAL men and women who give the ultimate sacrifice. Tell your father he has an admirer. My love to you and your family.

[Tigress DEM]

74. Thanks.

My dad passed on, partially due to VA negligence, but his spirit lives on and I appreciate what you said.

[Tigress DEM]

9. More...

site may be overloaded, took me 2 times to get the submit to go thru.

My letter to Ted: kennedy.senate.gov/contact.html

Senator Kennedy,

I've probably already thanked you for standing up to the Gonzales appointment and maybe for your wonderful speech as well. Reading it made me proud to be an American and a Democrat again.

I hear them attacking you for standing up to the insanity of this war and I just want to say that having actually read your ful speech, I know they are quoting out of context and without their brains being engaged.

I pray that God will protect you in your time in front of the fan. These mud slingers are not patriots, but you are and time will reveal the truth.

Sincerely,

Mamie

[madrchsod]

10. fox? who gives a shit what they broadcast

they have no listeners or watchers for there on air orgazisms of all things bush. they are only relevent because we make them so...

[Tigress DEM]

16. People who believe Democracy means standing up for the truth.

I don't want to make them relevant. I want to make them stop. I guess it's time for grass roots movement here in MN to protest FOX and their crap.

The media should not be allowed to get away with this over and over again.

[Davis_X_Machina]

11. For people who like that sort of thing...

...this is the sort of thing they'd like.

I don't think Fox is changing any minds at this point.

The country's split 50-50, and has been for six or seven years.

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Newschannel!

[Tigress DEM]

15. Hardly 50-50 if you believe those who report Vote Fraud

That chimp is not my elected president, Kerry is.

Even if you only counted Ohio and gave Kerry a slim lead due to voter suppression and malfunctioning machines, GW did not win the election fair and square.

If you read more, then it becomes clear that this election is an extension of the fraudulent practices in 2000 and there is not a true 50-50 split. Even the appearence of a 50-50 spilt is simply a repub myth that we are buying hook line and sinker when we mouth it.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. No wonder Jimmy Carter has nothing to do with our elections

Because everybody goes against his code of conduct.

[Tigress DEM]

32. Standing aside isn't always enough though. Wish he's speak up.

[Pam-Moby]

14. The Fox mindset is

You just have to be a braindead thinking person and follow the herd behind our Commander in Thief and never oppose his sick minded twisted thought pattern about how we achieve security in our country. I truly believe that they think that they can create this false sense of security by just taking out everyone they feel is against our way of life. Thank God we have some representatives and citizens who think for themselves and realize B*sh is on a dangerous road that the rest of us want to get off from!!

[FreedomAngel82]

29. Has anybody ever seen the movie

"hijacking catastrophe"? It's on informationclearinghouse.info and talks about how they use fear to get people on their side and how they label anybody against them (remember "you're with us or against us"?) they label a traitor and/or anti-American. I used to post on this debate board and whenever I posted anything "negative" or "against" what was going on now days I got called "anti-American" from this really far right-winger on the board. It really pissed me off. x(

[Tigress DEM]

37. Isn't a right winger on this board a freeper?

Do they belong or are they blogging for the enemy and thus subject to sumary expulsion?

[Pam-Moby]

71. No I have not seen the movie yet. I look for it. thanks n/t

[ClassWarrior]

17. So they're attacking Ted for encouraging terrorists...

...and the rest for NOT encouraging terrorists??

Faux logic.

NGU.

[marcologico]

18. Sometimes Fox gets things right in their own primitive language.

Edit: Teddy's definitely running this play alone, at least so far. Thank God for the suicidal Kennedys.

2nd edit: My point is that Kennedy is saying what nobody else has the courage to say, loudly, clearly and repeatedly.

[LibertyorDeath]

21. Faux doesn't get Shit right ever!!

& don't forget it!

They are Scum complete and utter Scum Un- American Fascist Fucks!!

[marcologico]

27. They got right that Teddy is flying solo and taking flak bigtime. n/t

[spanone]

20. fukfox

[moggie12]

30. i wish Kennedy hadn't made the speech

All he did was throw red-meat to the Fox guys and the RW. I thought his speech was naive: He should never have uttered the phrase "bring shame and stain on American's good name". Doesn't he realize how his words can be used to marginalize and diminish the Democrats' position on the war? Kerry and Levin did a good job on TV today "putting it" to Bush and pointing out all Bush's mistakes. We're in a PR war with Bush and the RW and poor Kennedy is not helping our cause. Harkening back to Vietnam does nothing to change Americans' minds about Iraq and is counterproductive, in my opinion.

[marcologico]

31. Look somebody has to say it. You think he hasn't heard the patriotism shit

before? The point is, it's on the record, and now more timid folk can start piping up in their wee timid voices.

[moggie12]

46. I disagree -- I think it makes it HARDER for the timid

I have been criticized more than once for sounding pragmatic, but I honestly think Kennedy makes it harder for Dems to speak up. Like it or not, Kennedy is a lightning rod for knee-jerk anti-Dem sentiment. Just saying Kennedy, "says this or that" makes large numbers of people automatically dismiss that point of view. The RW gets a head start on marginalizing and dismissing the Democrats when they can lump all Dems in with Kennedy. Plus, as I mentioned in my post, Kennedy doesn't help things when he uses the word "shame" -- why can't he focus instead on a positive argument? -- that the Democrats and most Americans believe that international cooperation is essential to the success of our foreign policy. Using the word shame is an invitation for RW demogogues to pounce -- we're in a PR war with them as it is, one that we've be losing -- Kennedy just makes it easier for them to do their disgusting, manipulative garbage.

[KnowerOfLogic]

58. Correct. You'll hear more people saying the same thing in the

near future; but of course no one will apologize to Ted.

[Tigress DEM]

36. Naive? The truth is the truth .....

...and America's name is shamed because of Bush sending us into a sensless war.

Whose side are you on anyway?

I get so sick of people attacking Kerry because he didn't fight dirty enough.

Did you ever read what Kerry said about Vietnam that got him into all the hot water? If you substitute Iraq and Iraquis, you have the text of multiple postings here on DU.

Idiots who focus on the minutia of politicking and don't see the whole picture of learning from our mistakes are the real ones who keep the DEMS from moving forward.

Vietnam is relevant and a lot of people care about what happened there, that is why the whole "support the troops" movement has been alive and well in spite of all that is going on.

Vietnam was one of the biggest mistakes this nation made and if we don't have the courage to learn from it when we are making another just like it then America is the land of the stupid, not the home of the free.

*** Those who don't know history are bound to repeat its mistakes ***

[marcologico]

38. Tigress if there's any misunderstanding, let me clarify: I LOVE WHAT TEDDY

IS SAYING, EVERY FUCKING WORD ON EVERY SUBJECT!

p.s. I added a couple edits to that last post to clear it up.

[Tigress DEM]

40. I replied to the post above #30, sorry for the confusion....

Thanks for the support though. I got the gist of your post the first time.

[Taragui Junkie]

79. Right on, Teddy!

I almost wish he had been the Mass. senator running for President in this last election. He's not afraid to speak the truth.

[marcologico]

83. welcome Taragui Junkie

p.s. he would have gotten my vote!

:toast:

[moggie12]

43. Hey, maybe I do have a low IQ, but I'm not an idiot

(Attempt at levity since I hate getting into fights with people who I probably agree with on 80% of issues)

Yes, I approach things from a pragmatic (often cynical) perspective. This is a partial list of what I want:

1) I want the non-nutty people who voted for Bush to WAKE Up and see what's really going on.
2) I want the country to realize that Bush lied and manipulated public opinion to recklessly lead us to invade Iraq
3) I want people to realize just how insane Bush's Inaug speech was

I honestly think that Kennedy -- by talking about VietNam, advocating an immediate partial pull-out, and using the word "shame" -- worked against these goals. It makes it that much easier for the RW to dismiss the Dems attacks on Bush.

Also, I have never in any of my DU post bashed Kerry for not "fighting dirty enough". On several occasions, I've said that I wished he'd been more articulate and had struck back hard at the garbage the Bushies were flinging at him. I thought he did a pretty good job today on MTP in doing that -- in fact, I defended him against those who were criticizing him (as in that stupid, mean-spirited "chickensh**" post -- I hate that kind of stuff).

[Tigress DEM]

47. Thanks, there wasn't enough in your 1st post for me to know...

The thing is:

Kennedy IS proposing a pull out plan. It may need adjustment, but if we want to get at the non-nutty repubs, we can ask, "What you think we should stay forever?"

Putting a puppet government in place and staying there as an occupying force is not true Democracy and no matter how the RW twists it around I'm still glad that Kennedy calls it as he sees it.

You sound like you might not have been around for Vietnam, but I'm telling you those who had loved ones die in that quagmire see the truth of the comparisons.

Kennedy knows what he is doing - an more importantly he is brave enough to open his mouth and let the chips fall.

[moggie12]

54. Thanks for your "Thanks"

I see what you're saying. Oddly enough, I'm not arguing on the merits of Kennedy's specific plan -- being my annoying pragmatic self, I'm focusing on the impact of his words and still honestly think he did more harm than good in speaking his mind.

I'm 45 so don't have as good a perspective on VietNam as those older(or, needless to say, those who lost loved ones) but I think VietNam is still a divisive issue in this country. In my opinion, some of the anti-military, anti-soldier rhetoric back then went too far, giving the anti-war movement a "bad name". This is tragic to me since, of course, the anti-war side was right -- the war was indeed wrong. That's why I think Kennedy making VietNam comparisons is unfortunate -- I think it turns off many people who would otherwise listen more open-mindedly to those who argue against the Iraq invasion.

I admire him for, like you say, "opening his mouth and letting the chips fall". I just don't think it help our cause.

[Tigress DEM]

41. moogie12 - you're alright. edited!

Hey if Barbara Boxer has the biggest brass balls in the Senate, then DU people m/f have them or don't too.

( I accused moogie12 of losing his/her balls - comment withdrawn upon reading a later post )

[moggie12]

60. hey Tigress, thanks for clearing my name!

I don't mind anybody saying i don't have "balls" since, in truth, I don't (I'm of the female persuasion)

I am currently on the warpath however, balls or not, determined to smack-down that big turd Joe Scarborough. He had the gall to besmirch the reputations of Ted Kennedy, Madeline Albright and Wesley Clark all in one fell swoop today. Please join my e-mail campaign if you can spare the time....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1548102

[saltpoint]

35. Oh my here they go again. What would these fascist turds do --

-- without Ted Kennedy as their beezlebub?

What a pathetic excuse for reporting.

And the nutless GOP stalwarts like Hagel and Lugar -- why don't ehy publicly condemn this kind of "reporting" as the cheap-shot propaganda that it is?

Where are their balls?

[Tigress DEM]

39. Why don't we write to them and ask...

Where there balls are?

For that matter, all Republicans should be put on notice that their party's unethical behavior has finally pissed the country off and will not be tolerated.

Well, I know what I'll be doing this week.

[saltpoint]

42. Have to agree, Tigress Dem. When i write to the White House --

-- to protest various issues, I also copy my two Senators, so that at the ver least, their staffs know what people might be thinking.

I'm in a letter campaign now to help raise the swell of objection to Alberto Gonzales.

He scares the bejesus out of me.

[Tigress DEM]

44. Yeah, I think I need to make up some group sends>

The Judicial 8 - I still have to look up each of them, all 8 DEMS in the Judicial Committee voted against Gonzales. I've sent to Liebermen, Bidden and Kennedy and someone else. But I want to get them all.

I sent to Kennedy on the Gonzales issue prior to the Judiciary committee vote - the day before in fact - and asked him why only Senator Boxer had any "cajhonnes" to stand up for us against the liars and such...

I focus mostly on the people who are out there struggling FOR any Democratic cause, like Kerry. I wrote him today also.

You know if we can get Bush/Chenny et al out through impeachment, the DEMS should have a unified front of putting our actual ELECTED President in the White House. We should DEMAND that all our votes be counted, put Ken Blackwell on trial for obstruction of justice and failure to see to it that Ohio held a fair election.

I think we stil need to work on uniting as DEMS first and when 2008 gets closer decide if we want someone new or not.

[saltpoint]

45. Yep. Although the party is more united now than just --

-- about any time since I've been alive. John Kennedy barely squeaked by against Nixon. And John Kerry/John Edwards barely won against Dubya.

(I recognize our ticket as the legitimate winners in 04... !)

Anyway, I'm willing to keep at it. Now, more than ever, in fact. I'm focused on Gonzales, win or lose, but at the very least, I think he's been taken out of future consideration for a Supreme Court appointment.

[Tigress DEM]

49. If this is "united" lol, but yeah, you're correct about that....

My thought is:

How much election fraud has been going on all this time that we just didn't know about before the internet?

Iraq is one in a long string and I never really thought we as the US really went out and took Democratic leaders out and backed the rebel regimes. I am naive, yes.

So, now that I'm questioning that, I'm questioning other things.

repubs have been in charge since the beginning. the whole representative government deal is based on rich people know better.

I want my vote to count and I want a Democratic president and I want the US to be respected in the world for our committment to freedom - real freedom not fake and bake that they smear on to look good.

[saltpoint]

56. I am remembering the Jimmy Carter primary victory campaign --

-- compared to this last one of the Democratic field.

Morris Udall ran a terrific campaign on a limited amount of cash and ALMOST beat Carter in Wisconsin.

Had Udall won there, it would very possibly have given him the momentum to be our nominee.

I'm not slamming Carter, but Carter's general clueless Cabinet and his sense that he didn't need to build the party, coupled with Bush Sr.'s allegedly traitorous coup in Iran to bring down the Democratic administration, put Reagan in the White House and after that, it's been exactly the way you say it is.

I'm shaken by facts but I'm also motivated by them, and I know a lot of Democrats who are not going to be dispirited by the Nov. 2 outcome (as opposed to the actual results!)

I'm in the fight for the long haul and I'm fightin' mad, too.

Good wishes, Tigress Dem. May our paths cross one of these days in a group of Democrats ready to kick GOP butt.

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[Contrary1]

52. No big surprise...

I have been accused of the same thing. Anybody who isn't with Bush (the US) is against him (the US)...remember? Saves time, doesn't require the Sheeple to exercise any independent thought, and makes it even easier for them to swallow the next shovelful of BS the Dim Son feeds them.

It's hard work.

[Arkana]

55. And this is new...how?

FOX hates anything that has the Democrat label on it. They're lying, spinning, GOP whores. Attacking Ted Kennedy for taking a principled stand is is standard procedure for them.

[KnowerOfLogic]

57. I wanted to slap the sh*t out of Brit Hume. Juan Williams and

Moira Liasson don't even come close to being able/willing to answer those bastards. *None* of the so-called liberals or moderates on the MSM news stand up to the repukes as well as anbody from here on DU would.

[rodeodance]

59. and add Hannity just now--showing a clip of Ted when he said to get

troops out---that our troops being there are part of the problem-and then slamed the heck out of him.

[Disturbed]

61. Deomocrats should be weasles.

That is the best way for them to represent the millions that oppose the Bush Fascist Junta.

[Jackie97]

62. I already read what Kennedy said that offeneded others...

and the charges are ridiculous. He didn't say he approved of certain actions. He was saying they were reality. Don't talk about reality. People will think you actually are for what's going on in it.

[LiberalFighter]

63. Isn't FOX encouraging terrorists????....

when they announce that there are Americans encouraging terrorists?

[Sleepless In NY]

64. "Bring it on"....... isn't encouraging terrorists?

Please give me a break. A big thank you to Senator Ted Kennedy for speaking up, for his service to this country , & for the sacrifice both his brothers made for us. Something you can never say about Sean "insanity" hannity. I still can't get over the fact Al Franken had the courage to go to Iraq to entertain and support the troops, while "patriots" like chickenhawk hannity, junkie rush, pervert oreilly, and man coulter won't.

[LiberalFighter]

67. Just like when dipshit told his poppy let's go mano to mano

or whatever that expression is.

[Hailtothechimp]

65. Fox News is as Fox News does. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

66. Brilliant!!

Picture this:
"Far-left liberal" Senator Kennedy makes the statement that we should just get out of Iraq. The other Dem senators disagree, stating that we need to stabilize Iraq first. Republican senators are positioned to fall in line with the Bush agenda.

Bushco is tempted to cut and run--or to secretly ask the Iraqis to ask them to leave, as John Kerry has suggested to Tim Russert on air today (no accident). If they do, they are doing what the liberal Senator Kennedy wants them to do--can't have that--it makes them look like weenies!

Meanwhile the rest of the Dem senators look sensible by comparison with Kennedy. People listen to them. Some repub senators defect and go along with their more sensible take, rather than the cut-and-run idea.

See? It's all a chess game, folks. :)

[txaslftist]

68. Well, what did you expect?

Conservative History:
In the beginning were the people. They hunted and gathered. A progressive/liberal sat one day thinking, and said, "We can have food here if we plant it." The conservative said, "Gaah" -being conservative, he had not yet accepted this newfangled thing called speech- by which he meant, we can go on hunting and gathering, farming is silly.
The rest of the people accepted farming, and the people prospered.

Shuddering in the cold, a progressive/liberal said, "You know, if we rub sticks together we can have a warm fire." The conservative replied, "AAiigh!" By which he meant fire is hot and could burn us. Nevertheless the progressive mastered fire and the people prospered.

Tilling his field by hand one day, a progressive/liberal said, "Maybe I can catch a zebra and make him pull this plow." The conservative said "We don't need no stinking zebra here. I am strong. I pull plow." (bowing to the inevitable, he had learned to speak, if crudely.)
The rest of the people accepted domestication, and the people prospered.

Because the conservative was primarily driven by a desire to smash things and screw things, the rest of the people were commonly bothered by the conservative screwing his sisters, his mother, his brothers and anyone else he could find. Anyone who did not share his grossly inflated sexual appetites he classified as a girliman. The progressive/liberals therefore had to invent laws, as the only way to keep the conservative from screwing his and their sisters/children/mothers*/newly domesticated animals was to tell him it was 'against the law'.

The conservative was rather a selfish brute, and would not simply accept 'the law', of course, unless it was backed by some power greater than himself. The conservatives were too dumb to come in out of the rain, and were frequently struck by lightning. Accordingly, the liberal/progressives seized upon this happy fact to invent 'religion'. A Great Power drove the lightning (they posited) and if the conservative did not obey the laws of this Great Power, he would be struck by lightning. The happy by-product of this marriage of religion and law was the development of 'civilization'.

On economics:
The modern conservative actually believes that because his boss says he is a conservative and because he himself is a conservative, they are somehow on the same plane. The boss uses this simple misconception by the idiot conservative to cheat him quite convincingly of his fair share of the wages, to deny him decent health care and to prevent him from ever rising from his subservient position. All the while the boss -who is actually a monarchist- decries the development of such 'liberal' notions as a union, a regular work week or a minimum wage, enticing the conservative to view these things with equal suspicion.

On war:
The conservative, perhaps as a genetic result of being often stricken by lightning, views anything that sounds like thunder with awe. Thus the sound of jackboots thumping in cadence, artillery or bombs dropping, the rhythmic rattling of machine guns and martial music all equally stir his heart with a fervor that cannot be denied. In actual combat he generally sits in a foxhole and watches the onslaught with a combination of dread and superstition, all the while praying to the "maker of lightning" to spare him so that he can rend, destroy and (with any luck at all) screw his enemies or their spouses and children.

On morality:
The conservative does not, himself, possess moral limitations. He does, however, recognize that opportunities to steal, rape, pillage, plunder, kill and destroy things are limited. Therefore he is always willing to impose his morality on others, so that the limited resources will generally fall his way, hopefully during a 'war'. War is that state where a group of conservatives gather a bunch of the people and have them kill a bunch of other people. It is also a great opportunity for a conservative to have his way with the world.

*(if it seems I am calling conservative mother-f**kers, I would never deliberately use that kind of language...but facts are facts).

[EVDebs]

69. Army PsyOps and CIA's Operation Mockingbird, during wartime

would want to neutralize any form of internal dissent. Just look at what the military did to MLK. And I don't need to tell you about Operation Mockingbird, do I ?

[Name removed]

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[Bridget Burke]

72. Where? When?

Link?

[Democrat Dragon]

75. Isn't Fucked News RUN by terroists?

[L.A.dweller]

76. Well, after all Ted is the one who wanted this war in Iraq

NOT bushy boy.

FOX is trying to silence all dissent by claiming that it is wrong to question the President during war time. Fuck that, this is a "war" created by choice not neccessity. Bush lied about to the American people and they need to know that.

[Tigress DEM]

78. I think you're being sarcastic about Ted, right?

Fox and the others are just doing all they can to promote the Bush propoganda.

Other more recent threads not only question or misquote what people actually said - MSNBC in general.

They are digging back into what Kerry DIDN'T say, although he actually did. Chris Matthews Post.

Bizzare.

[d_b]

77. Wow man...

..that's wild.

[CandyCrim21]

80. Big Surprise!

Did you guys know that liberals hate America? Also, we protect terrorists and we don't realize that Iraq really is jealous of our freedom and its our mission to spread freedom to the darkest corners of the world. Its definately our calling!:puke:

[BikeWriter]

81. **** Fox!

[CWebster]

82. That is a good endorsement of Kennedy

What do you expect?

[Stockholm]

84. www.foxblocker.com n/t