Ok...please listen up!

[the_boxer_]

I don't have a candidate picked out yet. It's a toss between Edwards, Dean, and Clark.

I am peeved about one thing though. I'm sick of the media lambasting Dean about him getting excited and yelling. Yeah, sure it looked silly and I'm a little embarrassed but the media just can't seem to get over it! These so called experts are trying to write him off. IMUS is replaying the shit over and over. If we really wanted to address silly stuff that people do, why aren't they harping on Bush? They could do a spot on Bush everyday and have something stupid to show America.

I feel that the media is unfairly ganging up against Dean. Again, I haven't made my choice yet, but I don't want the media picking my candidate by unfairly showing a snippet of him getting a little crazy.

Anyone else sick of this?

End of rant.

[dennis4868]

1. I remember in 2000 when....

Bush saw a reporter in the crowd and called him an asshole....it got some coverage but not like what they are doing to Dean...I am not a big Dean fan but give the guy a break for crying out loud. All this is really silly....

[Lost4words]

3. A Major League Asshole is what chimp said! n/t

[Guaranteed]

6. Or how about starting that "crusade" after 9/11?

LOL oh boy that was BAD. VERY bad. It doesn't get much worse than that.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

2. who cares

the way I see it, the future will smile upon certain candidates. Dean will rest well knowing he wasn't the smiling politician while our soldiers and innocent civilians die. I think if the U.S. hadn't become so partisan, Dean or Clark would be the easy choice because it's plain for all to see that Chimpy fucked up bad. It's all a question of admitting how bad he fucked up and moving on. I have the distinct feeling the U.S. is too high on it's power-trip right now to come down and realize, and admit, the mistake it made.

WHo is the real angry candidate? I'd say its the candidate who ordered the iron fist of the U.S. military into a needless war.

[CWebster]

11. Absolutely

Something that never gets pointed out--what could be angrier than shock and awe or attacking a country whose threat was fabricated.

[Moderator]

4. Wrong forum.

Moving to GD2004

[Jerseycoa]

5. Sick of the media

Sick of the threads. We all need to get past this.

[maddezmom]

7. agree

The candidates unfortunately need to media to get their message out, it's best not to alienate or label all the press.

[funky_bug]

8. The following factors

might go a long way to explaining the Deanbytes.

1. SOTA - how much better to set up the President's speech, then by focusing on the most widely known (name recognition) opposing candidate, and trying to make him a joke, thus discrediting the Democratic party?

2. Because the media got their little asses kicked by Dean at the MLK rally the other day ("You guys need to get a life"), the media retaliated.

3. Because it became BIG news, everyone who is "in the loop" or wants to be, played that clip. If it's news worthy (deemed so by the major media players) everyone is going to jump on the bandwagon, lest they be left behind.

Na... it was no big deal, but then they made it a big deal.

[the_boxer_]

9. Absolutely...

whether you call it a gaff or not...it wasn't like he sent soldiers over to a sovereign nation to fight a needless war. During the war the sensationalist media acted like cheerleaders; nothing Bush did could go wrong.

Dean has a little "crazy" outburst and they swarm him. The hypocracy knows know bounds.

Do I want a guy who is crazy in the White House?

Or do I want a guy who had a momentary lapse of rah rah?

The choice should be clear!

[diamondsoul]

13. oooh, I like that!

Well put, Boxer.

Honestly, my only problem with it was that it shows remarkably poor judgement for a physician, but then again they say Doctors make the worst possible patients.- I say that in reference to the fact that his voice was already hoarse, so he should have known yelling the way he did wasn't wise. What the hell, live and learn, right? It's nothing, and I'll be more than happy to say so whenever I hear someone making a fuss about it.

[the_boxer_]

14. Thank you!

I wish the media would create this much fuss about Bush's illegal activities instead of some guy yelling foolishly! Where are our sense of priorities!

I was discussing this with my mother who is a big Dean supporter. She thinks that he sunk himself. I was begging the question of why should it matter that he had a momentary lapse of reason?

Jeez....anyone else thinks he can recover from this or is he doomed now?

Ahhhhh...the hypocracy!

[CWebster]

10. it is deliberate

They are out to crush him going into NH and they have to beat this continually after IA.

Will you succumb?

[the_boxer_]

16. No!

And it is not the media's job to crush any candidate. It is the media's job to report the issues! Not the manner in which they are done. I have to say that what he did was foolish. So what? Does he still advocate the issues that I care about? The answer is yes! The media is controlled by the Fascists. One of the first things to go in a demcracy is a free and unbiased media....down the slippery slope we go....

[question everything]

12. The nature of being a front runner

Is to get all the attention - negatiave and positive.
Remember the last Iowa debate, when they posed questions to each other, most of them addressed Dean.

And I am not going to list all the crap that the Clintons had to endure from day one.

Go back to good ol' Harry Truman: if you can't stand the heat... etc.

Last week Joe Klein in his Time http://www.time.com/time/election2004/columnist/klein/article/0,18471,574861,00.html column:

(snip)

On the one hand, Dean is doing many of the things I've always admired in politicians. He is bold; he projects confidence and strength—the latter a quality not often found in Democrats. He is willing, obviously, to tell audiences some unpleasant truths. He is also gloriously free of the rhetorical, demographic and intellectual shackles that come with political consultants, pollsters and the other skittish, spineless purveyors of the conventional wisdom. He not only speaks plain English, he speaks unafraid English. Consequently, he has reopened the Democratic Party—formerly a political nursing home—to idealistic young people. His position on the most important issue, the war in Iraq, still makes sense: there was no immediate threat and therefore no casus belli.

But there is a monumental "on the other hand" with Dean. There is a recklessness about the man, an adolescent screw-you defiance that runs much deeper than the steady stream of gaffes produced by his projectile candor.

(snip)

I'd like to see how he fares in a crisis. Clinton died half a dozen times in 1992 and always showed a winning resilience. In 2000 George W. Bush was clobbered in New Hampshire and showed a ruthlessness in demolishing John McCain in South Carolina that he later repeated in the Florida ballot dispute. Howard Dean has had a relatively easy ride so far. I want to see how he holds it together if he loses a crucial primary or two.

[redqueen]

15. YES! But, get used to it.

There is nothing so dangerous as a cornered animal. The GOP is starting to feel cornered.

They're doing it to Dean still, because he gave them an irresistable opening. But they'll do it to all of them, so just let it roll off your back.

Dean has a great message and he's not crashing the way the media is pretending. Just be patient and see what develops over the next month or so.

It's really no biggie. Try not to sweat it. :)

[HFishbine]

17. When is your primary?

Dean has the resources (money and organizations in all 50 states) to give himself time to recover from media-inflated missteps. This campaign is going well into March, if not beyond.