85 to 13 Rice gets in.

[Botany]

Well at least we have gone from one (Boxer) to 13. But all dems who did not oppose her should be canned. No more spineless DINOs. The fight is growing. Big ups
to my Tin Foil Hat Patriots of the D.U..


:toast:

[DaveinMD]

1. people are DINOs

becaus they voted the wrong way on a cabinet appointment. This is all too much.

[lancdem]

2. The ones who voted yes aren't spineless

Were all the Repukes who voed for Clinton's Cabinet appointments spineless? I think the real battle will be over Gonzales, as it was with Ashcroft.

[TeacherCreature]

3. They are WORSe than spineless.

They are co-conspirators in the war.

IMHO.

[lancdem]

6. Voting no wouldn't have stopped Rice from being confirmed

I think she's a horrible choice, but Dems don't control the Senate.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. That's true but if they had a moral compass they would have voted No.

That is the bottom line. They know what the administration did, and yet by voting yes, it is saying that treasonous behavior is fine with them, and business as usual... Now I know what Dems are worth their weight in gold, and which ones are flotsam.

[AntiCoup2K4]

15. No, but 46 votes against the horrid beast would have been a strong message

And if the few Republicans with consciences joined in, it actually might have been possible. Though obviously John McCain no longer fits that category.

[TeacherCreature]

26. So? What about the others who voted no?

Should they have all voted yes because she was going to get it?

Whate ever happened to acountability--to conscience--to representative government?

Just to name a few principles that Hillary et al all sold-out today,

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. Bull! They are either spineless or in collusion! They just voted

to confirm a pre-meditated murderer!

[lancdem]

8. Fine

If you want to get upset, be my guest. Condi's just a puppet anyway.

[Canuckistanian]

18. Support the puppet and you support the puppet-master

There's no two ways about it. Conservatives are going to say, "But look how many Democrats voted for Condi! They must believe in the war!"

[Botany]

5. Apple and Oranges

Clinton's Cabinet appointments did not have the history of Rice.

[lancdem]

7. But the RW hated Clinton the way we hate Bush

[Skwmom]

17. So your logic is that people hate Bush so they don't want Rice confirmed?

[tubbacheez]

9. Relax, this is politics. The important thing is to build momentum.

We can't be shouting "you're either 100% with us or 100% against us" every time a vote comes up.

For the short term, (and I mean *short*, as in less than a year), a little good-cop/bad-cop can gain us some key ground, like passing the recent bills introduced by Democrats.




The important thing is to gather and build momentum.

Keep publically praising Boxer and those who join her. Keep sending them letters and sending money (if you can) to their PACs.

Keep pressure on the media. Politicians live or die on TV.




Soon, the rest of the Dems will see the writing on the wall.

Maybe some Repubs will too.

[Botany]

12. tubbacheez you might just be a cheese whiz

:toast:

[tubbacheez]

21. thank you, botany! cheers! n/t

[underpants]

14. It IS safe to stand to the junta

You are right about building momentum. This is the second part of the long process.

[tubbacheez]

22. yep, we'll win. the only question is...

... whether our win will be long-lasting or short-lived.

And that depends on how we conduct ourselves as we're winning.

[anarchy1999]

10. Make the calls. NOW!

Call your senators and let them know how you feel. Deliver your passion back to them and tell them they will be held accountable one day.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. was it a recorded vote? the ones who voted yes just pounded more nails in

the Democratic Party coffin!....should have gone to new orleans for the funeral

[Roland99]

16. Was it 85-13 or 83-13?

Did Bunning vote one of the last two AYEs?

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. 85-13

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usrice0127,0,6697599.story?coll=ny-leadnationalnews-headlines

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. Is there a list up yet of who voted for and against Kindasleazy yet?

For those of us who can't do C-Span in the daylight?

[shadowknows69]

23. it's progress people it really is n/t

[nickinSTL]

24. 85-13

Rice was confirmed with the greatest number of no votes in the history of Secretary of State confirmations.

Runner up was Kissinger with 7 no votes.

The no votes were:

Akaka - HI
Bayh - IN
Boxer - CA
Byrd - WV
Dayton - MN
Durbin - IL
Harkin - IA
Jeffords - VT
Kennedy - MA
Kerry - MA
Lautenberg - NJ
Levin - MI
Reed - RI

[shadowknows69]

25. If I were Condi

I'd be happy that I beat Kissinger for unpopularity...no small feat indeed.

[xxqqqzme]

27. very impressive 'NO' list

surprized @ Bayh. He must B thinkin' about '08.

[DemReadingDU]

28. Sen. Dayton is from Minn, not OH

It's confusing, there is a city Dayton in Ohio.

[nickinSTL]

30. right. Sorry, I'll fix that if I still can

I knew that...just put the wrong state on. :dunce:

[anarchy1999]

32. Damn, just plain damn. Where were our "servants" of the "people"?

Where were our elected officials, sworn in to uphold "The Constitution", at lunch, or in a hurry to go to lunch. Either way, out to lunch.

Democracy, my ass.

[nickinSTL]

33. put it in perspective

This is the most negative vote on a nomination to Secretary of State in HISTORY.

The closest to Rice's 13 no votes was Kissinger, who had 7.

Seen in that light, this is a strong condemnation of Rice's record and policies.

Of course, I wish it had been larger, but historically speaking, this is huge.

[anarchy1999]

34. Apologetic and not acceptable. So the did better that ever before.

I call BS!

It wasn't enough. Lying is lying, obfuscation the same, refusing to answer questions, same.

Barbara Boxer got it right on why she was voting no. Too bad only 13 stood up.

There is no perspective here but that we the "people" were sold out by our very own politicians. Remind me again about why Clinton went up for impeachment? Lying about a sexual indescretion, how many died for it?

[Guaranteed]

29. I'm actually very impressed with that number- 13.

For the appointtee for secretary of state, you won't get any complaints out of me with 13 no votes.

[cali]

31. I disagree

Let's take a look at my two Senators shall we? Senator Leahy is far more liberal than Senator Jeffords. In fact, he's rated as one of the three most liberal Senators. He's been standing up for liberal principles in the Senate for 30 years. Should I decide he's worthless and spineless because of this vote? Yes, I'm disappointed, but as ranking member on the Judiciary Committee, he just led a unanimous vote against Gonzales. In 2000 he wrote that he believed the AG position was the most critical cabinet appointment because it directly effects the civil rights of Americans. I do think Gonzales is more dangerous than Condi. I just wrote him asking him to filibuster. I didn't take him to task for voting aye this morning because I trust him to do the right thing 95% of the time. That's good enough for me.