How would you respond to this post?

[xultar]

when thye DLCers say "stop fighting amongst ourselves"

do they really mean "stop fighting US"?

because I NEVER hear a DLC supporter talk about compromise on the part of the moderates.

Its all the left's fault if we dont tow the line, and ask "how high" when our corporate sponsors tell us to jumnp.

This leftist isnt jumping anymore.

You want unity DLC supporters?

then compromise YOUR stances!

[xultar]

1. Oh...and this one...also

do you want to require everyone to support the DLC?
Because, when calling for UNITY, and not offering to compromise yourself, it seems that is exactly what you are calling for.

[Last Lemming]

2. We would have the house, senate and presidency right now

with our current policies--or ones more liberal than, say, Finestein, with honest voting procedures. It all begins (and it will all end) there.

[xultar]

5. Thanks for the input. n/t

[KissMeKate]

7. honest voting- we can all agree on that. eom

[xultar]

11. Well where have you seen me say I support the DLC?

Why be so rude. Does Randi Rhodes support the DLC. She was lambasting democrats who attack each other on her show today. Perhaps you should spray some :hurts: on her site against her and call her a DLC corporate whore aploogist.

http://www.therandirhodeshow.com

[KissMeKate]

19. if you dont, I didnt mean you.

I sort of knee jerk assume people who dislike Dean do so because they think hes too liberal, too loudmouthed, too democrat.

BTW, I have no quarrel with Clark. I could see myself supporting him in 08, if he gets a meat and potatoes political experience under his belt. Hes a fine man.

I just dont want the DNC to put up a yes man just because hes "anyone but Dean". (Preemptive -Clarks not a yes man. I think Rosenberg might be, and roemer is.)

[xultar]

22. Nevermind let's let by gones be by gones I'm sick of fighting & arguing

I wanna be constructive.

[KissMeKate]

25. I dont know how to respond to this.

I think you have your back up, but Im not sure why.

Im not sure what I said to get you to this place. Let me read what we have said, and I will get back to you.

[xultar]

28. I'm done with fighting. n/t

[KissMeKate]

33. ok

lets belly up to the bar, then.

Im sorry I said or implied you dislike dean because he is loudmouthed, liberal, or democrat.

Im sorry I implied you support the DLC because you dislike Dean.

I am interested, why do you dislike Dean?

I mean, what are the "turn off" triggers?

Its not because you think hes is too far too the left, its not because he is a loudmouth, what is it?

Do you think he is false? A false prophet sort of guy? Do you think he gets too much support for a mediocre record or performance?

Do you dislike him because he criticised the other democrats during the primary?

Why do you dislike him?

[KissMeKate]

34. oops, responded to a retracted post.

my apology stands. so does my question, I am curious.

[xultar]

35. I like Dean's passion. Mostly because people accuse me of being too

Passionate. I like the fact that he speaks his mind regardless of what other people tell him.

I don't agree with some of Dean's stances...The confederate flag thing was one. But, if I supported Dean from the start it the CF issue wouldn't have been enough for me to pull my support from him on that issue alone.

I do agree with Dean that we need to study Medical pot before blanketly approving it. I agree with Dean on how we should open a channel of communication with the anti-choice moderates and right. Perhaps we can work together to make sure that abortions like Clintion said legal, safe and rare.

Dean isn't an Anti-War candidate Dean more specifically was against the Iraq war. I didn't agree with the Iraq war either. I do think like Dean however that we should have gone into Afghanistan and FINISHED the job and let it end there.

I agree that we should steer the party with issues and not rhetoric. I liked it when he said that we should concentrate on what affects real americans instead of the DLC and that the DLC has no real power.

I think Dean would make sure we show a united front to the right.

When Dean speaks to the media he will point out the hypocracy of the right. I also hope that Dean will HAND PICK our pundits so that they show a unified front to the American public. I think Dean would make sure that our pundits will say on message and beat the shit out of the regressive pundits everytime they try to blame stuff on Clinton.

I think Dean will be able to bring enthusiaim back to party and we won't appear to be lame and tired to the American public.

That's why I like Dean the man. He's a good guy. I don't think he is as Liberal as a lot of people think. But that's o.k. No one is perfect. There are some things that I don't agree with Clark on but I don't support him any less.

See, I like Dean. It's no surprise here. Nothing I haven't said before. If more people would read instead of scream they would see that we are all on the same page. Quite a few of you seem to think that if people don't support Dean for Chair that we are corporate whores. Can't people just not like the guy for DNC chair? Why go there and put words in their mouths and be rude.

When I ask for unity I'm not asking people to do anything other than to be civil to one another and to quit telling people to fuck off and being freeperish to one another.

It seems like we have to pass some sort of I LOVE DEAN test not to be accused of being a republican around here and that isn't fair. You shoud do a search and read of what people say to each other. You'd be AMAZED at how people behave.

[KissMeKate]

37. well reasoned,

fair enough.

[KissMeKate]

3. I would say, how can we moderates come closer to you leftists, for unity?

For unity's sake, of course.

I stand by my post.

If there is division in the democratic party, its not only the left that does the dividing.

[xultar]

6. Thanks for the input n/t

[TwentyFive]

4. Depends on who they are fighting.

If the DLC wants to attack repubs, then I'd leave them alone. But, when they start attacking progressives....we are more than right to respond with vigor.

So, when they give this line, advise them to start attacking repubs....there are more of them than us.

[xultar]

I like that, I think we need to spend more time attacking the right rather

than each other. The DLC effectivly has no power. So why continue to give them your time? I don't get attacking one another over some racist sexist ass Republicans.

Thanks for the constructive input!

[nashville_brook]

14. the people who have power right now are Boxer, Conyers, et al

time for the DLC to get with the program

[TwentyFive]

17. DLC approach was tried - and FAILED. Time for new blood.

[xultar]

9. oops I liked it so much I clicked twice. sorry!

[sickem]

12. Left?

The very term "left" is a conservative invention designed to discredit anyone who dares to think outside the box. Anybody who thinks Democrats need to be more moderate (in other words more like Republicans) has simply sold out their ideals. They don't really stand for anything.

[htuttle]

16. Historically speaking, you're incorrect

The term 'left' comes from who was seated where in the French Parliament before the revolution. There was an aisle down the middle.

The nobles sat on the right side of the king, the capitalists on the left. This lead to the convention that the 'right wing' wanted to preserve the status quo, while the 'left wing' wanted to change it.

Just saying...

[PassingFair]

36. Does that make us...

gauche?

[htuttle]

8. Yes, the DLC's attitude toward the left reminds me of some other people

It reminds me of the way Republicans define 'bipartisanship', ie., "You capitulate, and we get our way."

[xultar]

10. Funny people who attack their own remind me of Republicans.

Thanks for the input.

[KittyWampus]

13. DLC, PNAC'ers Are Now Just Empty Buzzwords Used To Conjur Up

convenient boogiemen.

Frustrated Democrats and the GOP disruptors who imitate them use these terms to great effect.


There's this scary black and white, "with us or against us" mentality being displayed by some.

I'm personally ready to just put some people on ignore and stay out of these discussions all together.

[xultar]

20. Yeah and when you do that you'll be looking @ just about nothing here.

But I'm willing to try it.

[KittyWampus]

21. Xultar, It's Not That Many People. Most Of The DU'ers I Really Respect

"don't play that game".

[xultar]

26. I was beginning to regret my return to DU today...I'm gonna hit Ignore

on the splinterist types and see if that makes things better.

It is always tough to ignore your own people..but if they really aren't your own then it shouldn't matter.

That is what I have to concentrate on.

[bling bling]

15. Maybe we would unify better of the DLC disbanded.

It seems they, more than anything, are the reason a lot of people are feel alienated by the party. I would be willing to bet that DLC has been a factor in at least some people deciding to leave the democratic party and join the green party.

[xultar]

18. But shouldn't we follow Dean's advice..,

HE says the DLC has no power. Don't worry about them. They will fail all on their own.


But by attacking one another we aren't focusing on the issues which is causing us to lose focus.

Don'tcha think...

[KissMeKate]

23. yes, they will fail on their own. With a little help from the progressives

eom.

[xultar]

24. OMFG

[KissMeKate]

27. yeah in retrospect,

that didnt make sense, did it? lol

[bling bling]

31. Sure I think that is a good idea. But wasn't it that DLC guy that

publicly denounced Michael Moore and said something to the effect that he (MM) is hurting our party?

I thought that was a devisive thing to say and not helpful at all. And his comments were broadcast on a very powerful and HUGE medium that portrayed him as speaking for "us" as "our" spokesman.

Whether or not they have power doesn't concern me as much as whether they have enough power to get face time on the airwaves which gives them the ability to speak on our behalf.

[BootinUp]

29. I just realized what you are doing

Pretty funny actually. :hi:

[DancingBear]

30. Why call it fighting?

Up until this last "election" and the associated Democratic lack of response, I considered myself a moderate. I backed Clark over Dean in the primaries for the very reason that I thought he (Dean) would be unable to attract folks like myself to vote for him, in addition to the fact that I found Clark to be the better candidate.

Now, however, I see Democrats singing the praises of two of the most evil people to come down the pike, and I am reacting. I am NOT fighting, nor am I acting like "the left" (heaven forbid). What I am doing is holding my elected Representatives to a code of conduct that transcends the quid pro quo they are used to. I am asking them, quite simply, to stand up for what I and millions of other Democrats believe in.

When confronted with a liar, say so. When confronted with a thief, say so. When confronted with policies designed to aid the haves, respond with those that aid the have-nots. Protect the Constitution, protect the environment, protect a woman's right to choose. In short, do what we asked when we pulled the lever for you.

If this means I am fighting, I plead guilty.

Gladly.

[KissMeKate]

32. "say so"

I agree- absolutely- speak the truth, and dont be afraid of the "L" word, esp when referring to Rice!