My letter to Scab - bourough

[cidliz2004]

After the rotten way he talked to Wes Clark last night, I couldn't rest until I sent him the following e-mail:


Joe,


You were rude to Wes Clark last night. First of all there were two representing one side and Wes Clark representing the other.
If anybody was “fillablustering” last night it was YOU! Wes Clark was a GUEST on your show and you interrupted him and DID NOT give him equal time.

I realize that you are at a lower intellect level than the General, but you still could have “grinned and bared it” – so they say.

YES, YES, YES there WILL be elections in IRAQ as there were ELECTIONS in the U.S., the question is: Which election is going to end up being more corrupted????? It is a toss up to me.

I voted, like so many in THIS country, our vote didn’t count. It would take somebody that is braindead not to realize that the U.S. past election was just another example of how absolutely useless election could be in a Democratic Nation.

How many votes in Iraq will be REAL VOTES? How are we to be assured that the votes are COUNTED CORRECTLY? How do we and the rest of the world know that this Iraqi Election is actually happening as it will be reported? Are you a fool or do you just assume that most of the world are fools?

Wes Clark is more of a hero and a man with integrity than you could ever hope to be. You have a wise cracking smile (something like GWB) and a loud voice that rudely talks over your guests (like Hannity). I have little respect for you and last night you just reinforced WHY I have so little respect for you.

[Untouchedalarm]

1. Well said

[David Zephyr]

2. Is there a transcript?

I'd like to read it.

[cidliz2004]

3. Here is a video clip

Here is a video clip


http://www.u-wes-a.com/vidclips/MSNBC_012405.WMV

[David Zephyr]

5. Thanks.

:)

[BootinUp]

4. Apparently MSNBC is behind on transcripts

There is a video available. I'll send you a link.

[BootinUp]

6. Way to let him have it cidliz!

I still need to pen my letter to him.

[Clark2008]

7. On behalf of Clarkies everywhere...

Thank you.

I'll be sending my note along shortly. I've been brewing over this all day.

[David Zephyr]

8. I just watched the video clip provided by cidliz2004. Clark did just fine.

I think that Clark looked classy and the TV "host" looked like a jackass.

[EVDebs]

9. Everyone knows that in the Republican's "Bizarre Parallel Universe"

we are stuck in Iraq for between five and twenty years !

Read Bob Herbert's column to that effect : "The Republicans' bizarre parallel universe "

http://www.iht.com/articles/537205.html

Here we find Sen John McCain saying that we're in for between 'ten to twenty years'; however, in Gen Tommy Frank's book he tells us that we are there for only five more years.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3540414.stm

Delusions aside, the neocons have gotten us into one fine mess. Joe Scarborough knows better but the reason they get away with this is because the YELL LOUDER AND INTERRUPT AND ARE RUDE AND BLAME 'LIBERALS', WHO ARE SOMEHOW STILL IN POWER, FOR ALL MISTAKES, EVEN THEIR OWN !!!!!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. That wasn't a good e-mail.

Here's how I would have done it.........

Dear Joe,

What happened to the dead girl in your office?

Love and Kisses, The FBI.

[cidliz2004]

11. Ha Ha Ha

I don't know much about what happened with that so I just stuck to what really pissed me off last night.

I would just love to get face to face with some of these assholes though, that would be HEAVEN TO ME

[cidliz2004]

12. Would it be in bad taste

to tell them that I hope the sins of them visit thier children?

Or to tell him that I hope his kids go to Iraq?

[TankLV]

40. Would it be in bad taste to ask him why he's not executed or in prison for

life like other murders for killing his intern IN HIS OFFICE?

Inquiring minds want to know how come, as a murderer, he gets a TV show, when other murderers do not?

[me b zola]

13. I really liked your letter

I keep imagining that Florida & Ohio's voting machines are in transit to Baghdad right now. But that is a silly thought. If they got blown up they wouldn't have them here for '06.

[Clark2008]

14. Here's mine - finally got a little quiet time to write it.

Joe,
What exactly in your history gives you the right to put words in the mouth of General Wesley Clark? What country has any of your strategies freed in the past 10 years?
What exactly in your repertoire as a former congressman from Florida and a talking head is the basis for your allegations that the news media isn't reporting the so-called, "good news" in Iraq?
I think the good General agreed with you on the sole point of accuracy - a democratic election in an occupied country is an historic step - but your Republican bias and overblown blustering overlooked the more correct point Clark was attempting to make. That is, that the election does not democracy make. Just like a fantastic turnout at a wedding doesn't make the marriage, an 80 percent turnout does not mean that a duly-elected and legitimate government will be established in that war-torn country.
For example, the chances are very high that the country will become a totalitarian, fundamentalist religious regime controlled by the mullahs of Iran, rather than any sort of free democracy. The chances are also very high that the country will experience fraud and that the disenfranchised will take up their arms to create one of the bloodiest civil wars on record.
The Bush Administration has laid out no plans for an exit strategy for our troops because they probably don't plan to leave for quite a long time. The Democrats with foreign policy experience, like Clark, know that, the military men and women building the more than 20 bases in Iraq know that, the Iraqi people know that. Even the leaders of the Republican Party know that, but their talking shills don't seem to want to acknowledge this fact. We will not be leaving any time soon, so why create and exit strategy?
It is an and will be an historic day, but I fear it will be more historic for its level of discourse, killings and street-fighting than for what turns out to be the next puppet regime - controlled either by the United States or by Iran - comes into power.
Certainly, if you had listened to Clark, you would have known that his position was not one of filibuster, but of the knowledge that comes from having run an operation that freed a people. Certainly, you can agree that you don't attack someone personally, as you did with Clark when you accused him of said filibuster and don't expect a man of honor and worth to stand up for himself and his opinion, an opinion backed with more knowledge about this type of operation than any of the notes the White House feeds you and your fellow talking heads.

[cidliz2004]

23. That is, that the election does not democracy make. Just like a fantastic

turnout at a wedding doesn't make the marriage,

Excellent analogy! I hope that you don't mind if I use it myself!

[Clark2008]

31. Go right ahead. I thought it made a great point.

You can spend zillions on the ceremony, but without the fundamentals, it doesn't mean it will last.

[ebayfool]

42. That's impressive - you write like I wish I could talk! n/t

[FrenchieCat]

15. Here's mine...

Dear Joe,
I was very interested in what General Clark and Mr. Hitchens had to say about the importance or lackthereof of the upcoming Iraqi elections. To be sure, I understood your point (that you made over and over again), that after all of the bloodshed and hundreds of billions of dollars spent, most Americans should be glad that election day in Iraq has finally arrived. But that being said, I also understand that these elections are but the very first step toward the Democracy that most Americans hope will grab root in Iraq. I believe that this was one of the General's point, and a sound one at that. To date, no one has voted in Iraq, so why are you exhibiting such overwhelming premature happiness? I found this forced exuberance annoying and a bit over the top. Remember that as long as our soldiers are still dying day after day in Iraq, being happy about anything going on in Iraq is a bitter pill to swallow for most.

Also note that I would have enjoyed your interview with General Clark and Christopher Hitchens much better if you would have allowed each one to finish his answers fully. Allowing a little give and take from one directly to the other wouldn't have hurt either. It's one thing to want to control an interview, but quite another to ruin the interview yourself by patronizing your guest into silence. You need to learn to relax and allow your guests to inform your viewers. And show a little bit more respect....it can only make you look the better for it.

Joe, please know that I tune in your show to hear the thoughts of your guests, and frankly, not really so much to hear what you think. Please understand that based on your limited knowledge about most things, what you think doesn't really interest me all that much.

I will thank you for having General Clark on. He appears to understand that until we have an end strategy, all is not well in Iraq.

Respectfully,

XXXXXX XXXXX

[BootinUp]

17. Frenchie sneaks up and then goes for the jugular.

Love that 2nd to the last paragraph. :)

[FrenchieCat]

18. Thanks Jim4Wes....

Because you said that, I reread the 2nd to the last paragraph and found a terrible typo....

And I was just about to press the button to send this to Joe....

Thanks for making me re-read that!

[ebayfool]

43. Another great one! Gawd, DUers are good - esp LOVED this part ...

Joe, please know that I tune in your show to hear the thoughts of your guests, and frankly, not really so much to hear what you think. Please understand that based on your limited knowledge about most things, what you think doesn't really interest me all that much.

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Judging from the size of that man's ego, that is sure to have him frothing at the mouth!

[slor]

16. Well Done Cidliz2004 !

Oh and BTW, any relation to Sen. Boxer?

[cidliz2004]

19. I wish

[rodeodance]

20. good job

[FrenchieCat]

21. I worked with one of her nieces in Santa Cruz....

her last name is Boxer...and she's a very proud lesbian....who very much liked General Clark, just like her auntie (who was at a Clark fundraiser during the primaries in Piedmont, California).

[FrenchieCat]

22. Thank you for writing....

I think Joe got literally "Clarked" today and yesterday. Even Donna Brazile who often speaks of being "Clarked"...and Ed Schultz, who mentioned having been "Clarked" very recently.... would both feel some sympathy for poor ol' "dead Intern" Joe.

[cidliz2004]

24. Anything for the General

Your letter was great!

Do you think that Joe might read one of our letters on the air?

[FrenchieCat]

25. most likely not...as they are too long...

Unless he takes a piece out of one of them that doesn't make him look to much like the nincompoop that he surely is.

Remember, there's no business like the News Business.
Joe's a true Presstitute and proud of it...."bought" to you by General Electric (and I don't mean our General).

[cidliz2004]

26. Frenchie, I was kidding

Joe doesn't have the Kahunas (spelling) to put those on the air

[FrenchieCat]

27. Oh.....

Sometimes I can be kinda of slow!:crazy:

[Clark2008]

32. How come, if all these people are getting "Clarked,"...

...do they not realize how popular the man is and speak as such?

Honestly, it's like we're spitting into the wind out there. We write good and decent and provacative letters - intelligent and thoughful. And we write them in SPADES - tons and tons of them.

Yet, according to the media, Clark is a mere afterthought.

This is just ODD!

[cidliz2004]

34. I'm dense and ignorant

what exactly does "getting Clarked" mean?

[Clark2008]

36. Getting tons and tons of intelligent, snarky, well-thought-out and

respectfully agree to disagree e-mails, letters and phone calls from the Clark faithful.

Donna Brazille got Clarked HARD in the primaries after she dismissed him.

Oh, btw, where is she now? I see lots more of the General than I do her sorry, Karl Rove-loving ass.

[cidliz2004]

37. Thanks

Clark is/was the only Democratic Nominee that inspires me to do things that I had never done before. AND that is what Kerry was missing, he didn't INSPIRE people into that type of loyalty.

[FrenchieCat]

39. Because they are on auto-pilot....

from the Karl Rove primary memo. They don't know how to shut it off. Almost like a bad habit, at this point...really.

[Donna Zen]

28. The second segment of the show

with Rich Little was disgusting. We were parsing the damn thing when someone offered to put up the clip for those of us who didn't get to see it.

Bing! A message came up from Suzanne at Clark's office: "Please post the clip. We'd like to see it."

It is the smarm of these so-called interview shows that they wait until a "guest" is off the air to name call and make off-color jokes.

[FrenchieCat]

29. They smile in your face....

all the time they want to take your place...those backstabbers...backstabbers.

[Clark2008]

33. OK... what happened during the Rich Little segment?

I don't watch Squint - and, therefore, tuned out.

[propagandafreegal]

30. I sent him an email thanking him for having Janeane G. and Sam Seder on ro

I told him I would only watch when they were on.

[JoseRizal]

35. What annoys me the most about the whole interview with the General

was the ridiculous accusation of Joe made against Gen.Wesley Clark was that he the Gen. did not like or did not want to hear any good news coming out of Iraq. That statement was just flat out bs and Joe knows it, I for one wanted the Gen. to straight him up good with that csnidey comment.

Christopher Hitchens the fomer liberal,socialist Trotsky disciple is no a fav among the repubs as one of their advocates in the Iraq excuse. This is what most dissappointing with the man especially of him Hitchens, a liberal guy turned red, it just shows you what this party is up against. Anyways, Joe and the likes of him seemed to be more respective of Generals that are conservatives like him ie. if Gen.Schwarzkopf was there voicing the same opinion he would not have been that smarky and disrespectful of Gen.Wesley Clark. Coz I think Gen.Schwarzkopf would have just challenged him to a draw or a fight or perhaps would just say to JOe where were u in Vietnam u chicken***

Imagine the outcry if some liberal newsman would do the same thing to a Gen.Powell grilling about his WMD misrepresentation at the U.N. they would as usual come back and label us open minded people as libruls no good for the country and would label as the convenient word "UNPATRIOTIC HIPPY DEMOCRATS".

[FrenchieCat]

38. But it has nothing with General Clark...

It has something to do with the "Rove Memo" that they are still following. Wes Clark is a Democrat first, a General second...in their minds, therefore they aren't gonna give as easily the respect that he deserves. Bush bootlickers rarely give Republicans or Bush regime supporters hard questions or give them a hard time.

The problem that they have is that they end up looking mean spirited and antagonistic, and that only makes the General look that much better. Although I will say that in the past Joe, just like the Chris Matthews have been pretty respectful of the General. In fact, this is the first or second time only that I have seen the General sharing an interview with someone else. It's pretty rare.

I prefer that Wes responded the way that he did....firm and on message. I wouldn't want him to go "General" on them. That's what they want....and Wes is smart enough not to give it to them. We don't want too much footage of the General kicking some ass....as it might get misinterpreted......a nice videotape gift for the Republicans, who want to call Wes crazy anyway....since it's the only thing they can use.

[zann725]

41. Yowza! You kicked serious butt! This would 'wake up' even Scab-borough!

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