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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:22 AM
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Novak "outs" congressman matsui as a "source"
Jon Stewart really nails it every time when he calls Novak a douchebag. So yesterday on the capitol gang Novak comes out and says Matsui was a "source" that was pretty reliable--and that made ole douchebag's job easier.

and obviously Matsui isn't here to defend himself (being dead and all) so who's to say he wasn't a "source"?

it was Novaks last jab at a dead man.

he is such a slime--
when is he just going to blow away?

when i heard novak broke his hip a few months ago i wondered why it couldn't have been his mouth instead.

and when is his sorry ass going to see the light of a jail cell for outing valerie?
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:36 AM
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1. did Matsui give up Valerie Plame?
or would Novak just like us think that?
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:01 AM
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2. I strongly doubt Matsui would have been in a position to know. n/t
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KerryDownUnder Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:44 AM
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24. If I remember correctly...
Novak claimed it was a Bush administration official that compromised Plame's cover.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:09 AM
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3. There may well be no lower life form in Washington than Novak
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:05 AM
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56. No, there are others
but Novak continually strives for it.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:22 AM
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4. the more tilted towards some angle that Novak has to sit on that CNN chair
because of his fall in South Florida last fall during the CHARADES of a DEBATE at the University of Miami AND the older that he gets... the meaner that he gets. SMEARING THE NAME OF A DEAD MAN IS NOT ONLY SHAMEFUL IT IS IMMORAL... and he, Mr. gasback of righteous morality ought to be told by the courts...now you've said it, now PROVE IT!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:29 AM
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5. Sorry, don't buy it
Matsui seemed like sn honorable man. People of honor do not consort with douchebags.
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priapis Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:09 AM
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6. I'll never forget when his dentures popped out on Capital Gang
it was the funniest thing. the camera cut away real quick and mark shields had this great shit-eating grin on his face.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:10 AM
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12. lol.......one day on Crossfire his eyebrow came unglued.
rotten old bastid!
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:12 PM
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26. Is this man real?
Because it seems like, from what you both have described, that his parts are falling off!

ROFLMAO!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 05:26 PM
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34. OMG! ROFLMBO!!! n/t
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:20 PM
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39. Yes, he almost lost his whole human disguise!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:25 PM
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41. Hmmm, strip off the trappings, and what do you get?
Yul Brynner in "Westworld," perhaps?
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:02 PM
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37. Holy mackerel! ROLFMAO! There have got to be clips of that!
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 07:03 PM by aeolian
And the eyebrow thing, too.


What are the odds that anyone's got a link?


EDITED to take "shit" out of the subject line and put it over here ---> shit.
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:26 PM
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42. too bad he didn't choke on his dentures! How come the bad & evil
are always healthy?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:10 AM
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7. To be fair: Novak broke his hip trying to get his head out of his a$$.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:26 PM
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44. Naaaaaaaaaaaaassty...
Thanks! :evilgrin:
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:12 AM
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8. Novak is a pile of crap
He didn't even actually say it, but implied it so he can wriggle out of it if he has to. And thanks, but no thanks, for making me read all Novak's disgusting comments on Capitol Gang. :)

But here it is.

from the transcript:

<snip>

NOVAK: You should never speak ill of the dead but I have to tell you, I'm going to tell you a secret...

SHIELDS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE.)

NOVAK: I'm going to tell you a secret. Bob Matsui was a big source of mine, a secret source of mine and the Bob Matsui I talked to was not the Bob Matsui on CAPITAL GANG. He told me a lot. He was always accurate. He never exaggerated. He told me some things he probably shouldn't but guys like Bob Matsui, rest in peace Bob because you made my life easier and better.

<snip>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/08/cg.01.html
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:42 AM
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9. I'm waiting for the person who comes along....................
to makes Novak's life a little shorter. THAT person would be a true American hero.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:13 PM
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32. "Rest in Peace...you made my life easier"
What a self-centered, pompous prick. Not a word about his incredible life and years of devoted public service, just a self-serving jab about how he (allegedly) served Lord Novukula.

Someimes I wish Al Gonzalez gets confirmed as AG and his first order of business is putting the screws to this Sabbath gasbag.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:50 AM
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10. Novak is rotting from the inside out
I just know his breath smells like death.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 08:55 AM
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11. Stewart is right.....
...Novak is despictable and ethically challenged, CNN should fire his sorry butt. Why would Matsui tell him the time of day, much less give up a confidence? :::shaking head:::
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:06 AM
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16. Matsui can't defend himself so he's fair game for Nonuts to
co-opt the man's good name for himself. I would bet a box of day old donuts that Matsui never said a word to that a$$hole. He is completely shameless.

Did anybody catch the jab Nonuts made to Jimmy Carter? Carter's name wasn't mentioned, but he had to get in a vile remark about one our our nation's elder statesmen for no reason other than just to be hateful. Oh, lordy, I wish Nonuts would break another hip, a jaw and his neck - anything to get his particular brand of political whoring off the air. Do you notice he never contributes any type of political insight, he just makes an outlandish personal attacks about the Democrats or someone personally and then smirks. He adds nothing to any discussion. Here's his remark from Capital Gang on Jan. 8th.:

NOVAK: And I thought -- I thought it was fine that he -- he made a great commitment. The United States, predictably, will give more than any other country by a huge margin. I think it was smart to get President Clinton and the senior President Bush out there and not get nasty little President Carter out there. So I thought it was...

Facts never seem to bother Nonuts - Shields did managed to get in that Australia was giving a lot more aid to the Tsunami disaster than the US and Shields,Carlson and Hunt mildly took him to task about the crack about Carter. Just seeing Nonuts on TV makes me feel dirty. He is the epitome of what the Republican Party has become.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 12:00 PM
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60. was Paul Wellstone the source of the nastly little President Carter info?
Novak is the real face of compassionate capital consumption?

The Buy More HUMMERS now, Party
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:55 AM
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13. I've seen some low things in my day. This almost takes the cake..
Novak has no shame at all. :puke:
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:57 AM
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14. He is a lying piece of you know what, s**t.......
No Democrat with his weight in gold would speak of such things to this man, besides we all know it goes right up the chain to * and his posse ....... never let them push it off on a scrape goat as always.

:mad:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:08 AM
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57. If Novak is a Democrat
He's a Zell Miller kind of Democrat.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:00 AM
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15. I recommend that we torture his ass for the info.
I've got some jumper cables we could use. Novak is not covered by the outdated Geneva Conventions!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:28 PM
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45. But it might make him stronger, see post #42.
He's a POS, but I believe he's a ROBOTIC pos.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:15 AM
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17. Transcript (Link in Post #8) Omitted Worse Quote of NOVAKULA's
Somewhere, before this quote, ---------"NOVAK: You should never speak ill of the dead but I have to tell you, I'm going to tell you a secret... ...."---------

he said, (after the other panelists had praised MATSUI, (paraphrasing here) "Well, all of those flowery things don't describe the MATSUI that *I* knew..."

Then he went on with what the transcript says.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:37 AM
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18. POS
:grr:

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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:05 AM
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22. Where Do I Send Hate Mail To CNN
Goddamn, I was to blast 'em - good!
Fuckers
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:30 PM
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46. Barf. They don't come any lower.
May he rot--anywhere that's convenient.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:39 AM
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19. I saw it on CNN and almost puked, he is the biggest turd I've ever...
seen. He needs to drop his soap again, so he can smack himself in the head.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:41 AM
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20. It's a wonder that he didn't try to name Shirley Chisholm. This is
beyond reprehensible.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 10:53 AM
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21. There are sources and there are sources
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 10:54 AM by quaoar
Sources talk to reporters for a myriad of reasons.

1. Some talk so they can be seen as a player.
2. Some talk to undermine rivals or policies they hate.
3. Some talk to immunize themselves because reporters rarely burn their sources.
4. Some talk to protect themselves from those who fall under No. 2.
5. Some talk -- even to reporters they find too partisan for the other side -- because they hate seeing BS in the paper and they want to make sure the truth is at least told, even if it isn't fully listened to.

If Matsui was indeed a source of Novak's -- and he may very well have been -- I suspect he was No. 5.

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 11:38 AM
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23. CNN fires Tucker Carlson & keeps Novak and AEI Neocon Bill Schnieder
At least we won't be seeing Novak on CNN Capitol Gang since they axed that show.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:08 PM
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25. They axed Crossfire, did they ax Capital Gang, too? n/t
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:19 PM
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29. Capitol Gang is history--I don't know when the last show is
I like watching Mark Shields. I guess I will have to get my fix of Mark on Jim Lehrer/PBS Newshour once a week on Fridays.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:32 PM
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49. please say you're kidding! you are kidding, right?
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 07:32 PM by radio4progressives
You like Mark Shields?

you're not getting enough of the real deal.

when you do, you'll start to see what a stammering mealy mouth Shields is, and I'm not referring to speach impediments.



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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:40 AM
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53. that tells me nothing...eom
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Guns Aximbo Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:14 PM
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27. liver lips will never go to jail
he's a fascist and the fascist are running things.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 12:15 PM
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28. You're reading too much into this statement...
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 12:17 PM by tx_dem41
People can be "sources" for honorable reasons, such as defending your own policy or leaking information about the other side's policy.

And, if you read all of Novakula's columns, he actually does zing the Administration at a more frequent rate than you would imagine.

On edit: After reading the transcript, it makes my defense of the statement a little shakier, but I'll stick to it. I have no idea why he prefaced it with "speaking ill of the dead". That's very Novakulaish, I guess.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 01:06 PM
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30. My answer from CNN regarding Novak.
Thank you for the e-mail.

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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 03:58 PM
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31. I just fired off an E-mail to CNN too
I submitted it under "Report Errors seen on CNN" "Type of error: (Wrong information, editorial slant, information left out, etc.)"

Gave them an earful about Nofacts editorial slant and how it affects their creditability.

I saw the show yesterday was stunned by Nofacts comments.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. I've been sending to the wrong email. Next time I will
submit under "Report Error." They'll probably look at that first. Thanks.
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ribrepin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 06:54 PM
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35. Yeah, Novak being on CNN is an error
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:01 PM
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36. I think you owe all douchebags an apology.
They serve a more useful purpose than does Novak.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:31 PM
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48. Even shit serves a purpose, but Nofacts? Anyone, anyone? nt
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:14 PM
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38. Novak just let us in on how DC operates
Novak has/had quite a few Democrat sources. You could tell by watching Crossfire years ago that the same people appeared over and over. I dont have a clue what Matsui said in private, but I do know that he was friendly to Novak on camera (and appeared often). Thats the way Matsui was to everybody. He always disagreed without being disagreeable.

It annoys me when younger people reveal that they fall for all the manufactured tension on foodfight TV. So many of these buggers in DC are pals, including Novak and Al Hunt who pretends to argue with him. Crossfire is Novaks show and he showcases all of those who hang with him regularly.

As far as journalistic ethics, Novak falls inside the boundaries and even can reveal the substance of his conversations with Matsui. As far as the boundaries of being a human being . . .
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:23 PM
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40. Novak is a Democrat and has always had as many D sources as R.
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:26 PM
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43. He also carried a union card, but I dont think that he believed in either
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:30 PM
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47. I don't know if he ever changed his registration but Novak said
Edited on Sun Jan-09-05 07:31 PM by WI_DEM
in an interview with Playboy that he stopped supporting the national democrats after JFK becuz we turned too far to the left. He is a "Zell Miller Democrat."
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:48 AM
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54. He never changed it , just like Miller...
I remember him bragging on Capitol Gang that he had been a registered D all his life and still had more sources on our side of aisle than the other.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:33 PM
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50. I don't want him, and I don't believe it at all anyway.
Got a citation or link?
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:47 PM
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52. Its been common knowledge for ages
Novak was probably a committed Democrat back in the 40s/50s, but I dont think that he was ever a liberal that changed stripes. I think that he belongs to a union connected with his trade -- Screen Actors Guild or newspaper employee?? But the others on his shows kid him about it regularly as if it is true, so I have no reason to doubt it.
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 09:55 AM
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55. Capitol Gang...
You are not old enough to remember what the Democrats were like before McGovern won the nomination. We still have tons of people who are registered Democrats (and will never change because they were "born" Democrats) but have rarely voted for D on a national ticket since that election.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 04:31 PM
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62. I'm 45.
Check the avatar, and my Dem comes from my parents, who got it from their parents, who got it from theirs.

I've voted off the ticket, but NEVER R. Yes, I know many people of which you speak, but not me. I'm a yellow dog Dem and a LIBERAL, hell yes!

My ancestors would rise from the dead if I did that.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 07:38 PM
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51. Novak a Democrat? Huh? There you are, this is the Democratic Party
in the Media...

sheesh! No freaking wonder the party has turned into a worthless good ole boys' do nothing club.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 11:07 AM
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59. Find the facts before you post...
please.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 10:47 AM
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58. Absolute BS!
Novakula is a Repuke, and has stated such MANY TIMES!
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IStriker Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-10-05 03:22 PM
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61. That's why he laughs about voting in Democrat primaries...
because he's a Repuke. What have you been watching and reading? Better yet, what were you smoking while you watched it?
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