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blackangrydem Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:46 AM
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Irony: The Shrub's weak initial response will result in unprecedented
support from the US for the Tsunami disaster. After bristling in the face of UN criticism for being stingy, Bushco is now focused on doing just the opposite. Powell has taken this thing by the horns now, the $ floodgates are open (public and private), and the military is involved.

Prediction: Powell's tenure as SecState will be most remembered by his last act - this one. Also the administration is using it to position Jeb for 2008 as some sort of super-humanitarian.

Don't be surprised if one of these guys picks up a Nobel Peace Prize before this is over.

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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:48 AM
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1. If we keep score

we get to deduct the number of Americans and Iraqis they killed from the number of Asians they saved.

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:59 AM
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3. Let's go back a ways.....
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html
A Pattern of Brutality
While a horrific example of a Vietnam war crime, the My Lai massacre was not unique. It fit a long pattern of indiscriminate violence against civilians that had marred U.S. participation in the Vietnam War from its earliest days when Americans acted primarily as advisers.

In 1963, Capt. Colin Powell was one of those advisers, serving a first tour with a South Vietnamese army unit. Powell's detachment sought to discourage support for the Viet Cong by torching villages throughout the A Shau Valley. While other U.S. advisers protested this countrywide strategy as brutal and counter-productive, Powell defended the "drain-the-sea" approach then -- and continued that defense in his 1995 memoirs, My American Journey. (See The Consortium, July 8)

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles/Wokusch_PowellDoctrine.htm
Regardless, the attack on Iraq had already begun and television viewers worldwide were absorbing endless footage of laser-guided bombs, pinpoint missiles and other" precision warfare" that miraculously seemed to destroy machinery without harming civilians. Back home, flag-waving hysteria followed Operation Desert Storm to its climax, and returning conquerors, including then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell, were feted as national heroes.

Minor glitch. A few months later it was revealed that actually 100,000 to 200,000 Iraqis, many of them unarmed civilians, had died during the six-week attack, including tens of thousands mowed down in aerial assaults as they were trying to flee along what became nicknamed "The Highway of Death."

Equating civilians and combatants is integral to "The Powell Doctrine" which recommends using overwhelming force on the enemy, regardless of civilian casualties. In his autobiography, Colin Powell discusses the Vietnam War and explains the benefits of destroying the food and homes of villagers who might sympathize with the Viet Cong: "We burned the thatched huts, starting the blaze with Ronson and Zippo lighters ... Why were we torching houses and destroying crops? Ho Chi Minh had said people were like the sea in which his guerillas swam. We tried to solve the problem by making the whole sea uninhabitable. In the hard logic of war, what difference does it make if you shot your enemy or starved him to death?"
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:06 AM
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5. Quote from Powell's book.....
>>In the hard logic of war, what difference does it make if you shot your enemy or starved him to death?"<<

In the hard logic of claiming that you are "right and just" you need to be able to separate your "enemy" from innocent civilians. If you can't do that then you are no better than your "enemy". You have become the enemy so to speak.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 07:53 AM
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2. I'd be surprised because none of them are responsible for promoting
peace. They are responsible however for atrocities and the wholesale wasting of taxpayers' money.

http://www.whoseflorida.com/10_reasons_not_to_vote_for_jeb_b.htm
When developer Hiram Martinez Jr. requested $18-million in federal loan insurance for an apartment development in 1985, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development questioned its land value and delayed the request. Rather than allow HUD to do its job, Bush wrote a letter to the U.S. agency's undersecretary on Martinez's behalf. The loan was approved, the land values were inflated and Martinez got six years in prison on fraud charges. Bush has amnesia about the letter. Later he made a call to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to help another associate looking to get out of following some pesky federal rules.

Bush denies that he received special treatment in both of those incidents, but any citizen who's dealt with either agency knows that's not true. It's pretty damn special to have a top manager take your call, instead of getting a clerk who transfers your call or tells you to fill out forms.

It's his denial that makes Bush an ineffective governor. It's not possible to see why minorities would need affirmative action when you refuse to see that alumni and legacy admissions are a form of affirmative action too. It's easy to focus on punishment rather than rehabilitation when you've never had to be accountable for your own questionable dealings. Recognizing every citizen's right to vote is harder when you really believe that the only rights that count are yours.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:00 AM
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4. Nobel prize for stealing?
Sorry I am a cynic. I am sure the "aid" that the US is sending is going to end up in contractors pockets, not given to those who need it.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:20 AM
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6. They had to sober W up and poll on what to say
and it is all working out just fine-Brother Jeb gets there at the same time as the money, a perfect money laundering situation.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:34 AM
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7. Japan is donating more than the US. They are donating $500 million.
The US is donating $350 million. Maybe someone from Japan is owed that reward more than the warlovers here.
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blackangrydem Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:41 AM
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8. Does that include private donations? Regardless, that is incredible.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 08:42 AM
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9. No. That doesn't include private donations from Japan or the U.S. (nt)
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 08:43 AM by w4rma
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UncleVinny Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-02-05 02:21 PM
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11. IQ Test: Tsunami vs. Iraq
Edited on Sun Jan-02-05 02:21 PM by UncleVinny
Tsunami Aid vs. Iraq War

IQ Quiz

All nations combined have pledged $500 million dollars (one half $billion) in aid to tsunami-ravaged countries in the world. This will save hundreds of thousand of lives and help rebuild their economies, while generating much needed good will between countries.
The US has already spent 40 times that amount ($220 BILLION) on Iraq.

Question 1. Which was the smarter thing to do? The action that has the best “return on investment?”
a) $220 BILLION for war in Iraq
b) $350 Million for tsunami relief aid <-- CLUE: This one!

Question 2. Which is a better use of National Guard troops?
a) Saving lives in Asia <-- CLUE: This one!
b) Killing people in Iraq

Question 3. Which is the best use for US military hardware? Transport ships, aircraft carriers, helicopters, construction equipment?
a) Destroying houses in Falluja
b) Clearing up damage in Indonesia <-- CLUE: This one!

Get a clue!
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