Is this anti-deanunderground?

[poskonig]

I turned on CNN and I see Dean smiling and having fun. Meanwhile I see posts here about how rabid and "maniacal" Dean looks. I've also seen several insulting polls about who Dean supporter's second choice is going to be.

Can't we show some respect! Please? Pretty-Please, with a cherry on top??

:pals:

[Clark Can WIN]

1. Sorry it's just that we've been picking buckshot out of our backsides

you know.

[poskonig]

3. Gephardt ran an aggressive campaign.

I don't see Democrats demonizing him. What gives?

[Clark4Prez]

7. That's 'cause Gep wasn't going to win

And Dean has a good shot at it, this is far from over. But Dean will be a factor and a target, that's the ugly reality of politics.

Cheers to the Dean folks, keep fighting! :toast:

[Clark4Prez]

9. Dupe

[funky_bug]

29. There's been bad blood all around for months

All we've heard is, "Dean is the front runner and Clark is a poser." The buckshot goes both ways... thank God our candidate isn't as thin-skinned as some of his supporters (present company often included).

[edzontar]

58. Just wait--Kerry is coming for you now...

Can't wait to see the Clark collapse in NH.

[Guaranteed]

68. Deanies have been NICE up till now.

NOW folks are going to be picking buckshot out of their colons.

[Clark Can WIN]

80. Is that a proctologist joke?

:hi:

[ulysses]

2. evidently.

Congrats to Kerry, btw.

[kcr]

6. I am this close

to deciding for Dean, based soley on the way his supporters have been treated here. If people with that kind of passion and the new votes they represent aren't welcome, then whats the point?

[ulysses]

15. but he's insane, Kevin! Everyone is saying it!

:eyes:

:hi:

How are things? I waved when we drove through Memphis last month, but we couldn't stop...

[kcr]

47. I thought I felt a breeze

:)

Drop me an email.

[KaraokeKarlton]

36. You would be welcome supporting the only one with the money to

actually counter the ads Bush will be running against him. But hey, it seems like the all important ability to raise money is to be shunned now. Those of us Dean supporters getting raked over the coals on this site daily are the source of that money, and I highly doubt we'll be opening our wallets to those who feel compelled to get in as many digs and insults as they can. I know I won't. Dean, I will donate to, but no one else.

[cthrumatrix]

4. no this is the "anybody but dean" site tonight....you would think they

would be pleased with kerry and edwards...

[Don Claybrook]

5. Thank you

As a Dean supporter, I'm starting to feel like I looked up from my keyboard and found that all the other Dean supporters had gone away. In their place, there are lots of rabid Dean-hating people. I don't get it. I'm not naive enough to think supporters of other candidates are going to switch to Dean, but I am surprised at the level of vitriol, especially from one particular camp.

Congratulations to you on the Kerry win tonight. I think he's a fine candidate.

[edzontar]

8. Short answer: Yes, and has been for weeks or months

Ever since the hostile take over by a group of viciously anti-Dean supporters of another candidate.

Most of Dean's supporters who used to post have gone to other forums.

Given what I have seen tonight, I shall soon join them.

What a vomitous place this has become.

I am happy for your candidate, Sen. Kerry, however.

A real Democrat, and a tough campaigner.

Good work by Edwards too.


Congrats to all.

[Walt Starr]

24. And it's driven a lot of us who rallied to ABB

to say screw ABB, I'm NBD.

[edzontar]

28. Let's say it up front--it is self-identified CLARK supporters

Above all, who are posting this drivel.

[markus]

51. Clark is outside the pale

I am going to write my state party leadership tonight and let them know that, based on my interaction with the Clark campaign (which they are supporting to the last aparatchik) the I will be out:

1) to put another candidate on teh ballot in North Dakota.

2) to kick their sorry asses out of the Kennedy Center in Bismark.

My vote is transferable. But I've said I've vote the CPUSA before I'd vote for Lieberman. Add Clark to that list.

His supporters are delusional. They will take a man who was out fund raising for Bush* et al a short while ago and decide his is the best ABB candidate.

If the Clark campaign continues in this vein through N.H., then ABB is dead.

[Hoppin_Mad]

70. You have my support - But I'd vote Joe BEFORE Clark ! -nt-

[Wapsie B]

10. It sure seems like it.

Why do so many choose to bash other candidates? It serves no other purpose than to make Rove's job so much easier.

[youngred]

11. ask the dean supporters for some respect

A lot of the anger towards Dean is built up anger from the way his supporters have treated this race the last few months. fair or unfair that's what's happening

Anti-Deanunderground, hardly.

[poskonig]

16. Most of Dean's DU supporters aren't even here.

A few hundred left and went to deanunderground, thanks to the silliness I see here.

Anyway, why rub the loss in? This is very inappropriate.

[youngred]

39. I'm not rubbing it in

you are saying EVERYONE HATES DEAN, I'm trying to say that there is a lot of anger here for the way that SOME Dean supporters have acted around here.

Though I am not sad that Dean did as poorly as he did I wont jump on the attack and hate him for some of what his followers have done.

[ulysses]

42. well hell

I was invited to deanunderground, and managed to forget it over the holidays. Need to head over there.

[ulysses]

18. ah, the karmic payback for what a lot of us never did.

C'mon, Zack.

[youngred]

35. some, not all

There are many Dean supporters whom i love and have refrained from the horrible neg attacks. But I sit here as a Kucinich supporter and the ONLY two camps who I have seen attack relelntlessly are the Clark and Dean camps.

sorry my friend but some give a bad name to the many.

[ulysses]

61. I have a DK supporter in mind

who, if I wanted, I could allow to poison my perception of Dennis and the whole shebang. I made the decision a long time ago to *not* allow that to happen.

[youngred]

71. agreed, supporters shouldn't reflect on a candidate

and I don't like all the Kucinich supporters. However, the actions of the some Dean and Clark supporters have poisioned the views of many against them, and the reaction tonight is indicative of that fair or un.

My many pro-Dean friends (you included) allow me not to do that, but for all those months of Dean is the front-runner, Dean will win, and some (more than one) saying they were taking names of anti-dean posters for a reckoning after the nomination. That kind of thing leads to a backlash sometimes

[LuminousX]

59. Ahh yes. ...

See, if you push someone last week, they have an open ended ticket to do countless harms upon you for the rest of your life.

[youngred]

74. hardly

but don't expect that pushing someone repeatedly means that they won't laugh when you trip

[xultar]

12. Compares to DUers criticizing how Clark Prayed. No one called for

for respect then. So why now?

Being critical of how someone prays is as low as I've seen it.

[chocolateeater]

48. So everybody gets tarred with the same brush

for the actions of a few? If General Clark wants to pray with his arms raised that should be between him and God, and noone should say a word about it. I also think kicking someone when they are down is wrong.

[lurk_no_more]

13. OK!

Hey, dean beat Gebhardt didn't he? Think how dick must feel about now, last place?


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[not systems]

14. More or less correct.

I'm sticking with Dean.

Maybe he will get a second wind next week.

DU has become less and less Dean friendly over the last year.

[IndianaGreen]

17. Some bastards won't give up!

They will be the same ones that in the Fall will be whining about the base sitting at home in disgust and not supporting their pro-IWR candidates.

[cthrumatrix]

22. I wonder where these new posters come from...very quickly jumping on

Dean....reugs in drag is my bet...anything to disrupt support...but it's not going to work...

[edzontar]

32. Yes they are, or worse....

And the threads are STAYING open--WHY?

[depakid]

37. Yep- the same set that toed the DLC line in 2002

one can only hope that they'll learn that they can't beat Bush by acquiescence or by tearing down people's enthusiasm- makes me wonder sometimes how many of them really want to beat Bush and the republicans at all.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

19. Respect would be good.

I'm a Kerry supporter but haven't done any of this Dean bashing stuff that's been going down.

[jonnyblitz]

20. just look at the seething venom on this thread

wow.

[mmonk]

21. Nothing negative from me tonight

Folks, this is just the beginning of this process. No one should overblow its meaning or tear down another candidate.

[no name no slogan]

30. I hear you there...I'm to amazed to be negative

Once again, Iowa confounds the nation with its choices. I mean, who would have predicted a 2nd place finish from Edwards a two months ago? Or a Kerry victory? Or Geph finishing fourth?

What a great time to be a political junkie, but what a BETTER time to be a DEMOCRAT! After tonight, I feel a hell of a lot better supporting ANY of these folks come November.

Congrats to Kerry, Edwards, Dean, Gephardt and Kucinich. Onward!

[Renew Deal]

23. I heard Dean on the radio rattling off states.

He sounded like he was frothing at the mouth while his head was exploding. It sounded really really bad.

[not systems]

33. Was his head spinning and projectile vomiting pea green soup also?

Because from you post I might guess so.

[Renew Deal]

41. He was yelling so loud, his voice cracked.

It was a really bad visual.

[mike1963]

44. Well, if you'd seen him live on TV you might wonder...and I've been a big

supporter of Dr. Dean for months. He scared the shit outta me.
What can I say?

[edzontar]

49. Not!

nt

[markus]

52. Yeah, did you see him bite the head off that chicken? Or was it a bat?

eom

[clarknyc]

45. Wrong.

I saw it on CNN. It was a pep rally to keep his supporters spirits up. Nothing more. The nasty spin here tonight is disgusting.

[KaraokeKarlton]

25. No doubt...

All this crap I'm reading on here is leading me to the conclusion that NBD is the only route for me.

[Individualist]

67. Me too

Prior to tonight, I'd have voted for whichever candidate gets the nomination, but after reading those disgusting attacks concerning Dean's speech tonight, it's NBD for me.

[Zinnola]

76. I agree

My vote for Dean is not transferable. If the DEM party wants to put up Kerry or Clark. I say Bush will trounce them in 2004.

[mzmolly]

26. Yes, it would appear to be at the moment. I can't imagine doing these

things to another Dem. I would NEVER act the way I've seen people here behave tonight. Makes ya wonder.

[xultar]

38. So, I guess you missed the sick thread with Dean supporters

making fun of how Clark prayed @ a black church in SC on Sunday?

That was sick. Insulting how Blacks demonstrate their faith and the fact that Clark chose to participate.

I would not want to see anyone treat any HUMAN with that behavior. I didn't see any Dean supporters condem that post.

[edzontar]

46. I never saw that. Sounds bad. But what about tonight?

nt

[chocolateeater]

64. I DID!

Please do not blame every Dean Supporter For the actions of a few.

[mzmolly]

73. When Clark loses New Hampshire, and he will... I promise not to be a

disgusting asshole.

As for the threads regarding this that and the other thing (on various issues) their in a different category. My comment was about kicking someone when they are down. I would NEVER take part in something like that. NEVER...

[incapsulated]

27. Oh, please

Remember when Dean supporters outnumbered everyone else on DU 5 to 1? Where they all respectful to others, in general? Remember how attacking Kerry became full contact sport? Remember the lovely threads made by some of them before the "new rules"?

There are no innocents here.

And he did look manic. If Dean is going to have a big rally on the night of his loss, are we supposed to ignore it?

[goobergunch]

31. Yes (n/t)

[DrBB]

34. Okay, so I've posted all kinds of pro-Dean messages

...and he would be my second choice, and I totally agree that Dean bashing is an inappropriate response to Kerry's win.

But geez, the whining I see seems kind of weird to me. I've seen ANY number of rabid, vicious anti-Clark posts by Dean supporters (and others) ever since Clark entered the race. And for that matter, rabid Kerry-haters haven't been in short supply either.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see you guys as being especially put-upon. The Dean crowd is as guilty as any of this crap.

[xultar]

40. I've posted 2 positve Dean posts myself tonight, maybe 3...

I've seen other clark supporters post positive posts as well.

[edzontar]

43. Have you seen the attacks tonight?

Theya re the worst in DU history..

And mostly the work of self-identified Clark supporters.

there is no way this stuff can be defended.

[incapsulated]

50. Have you seen...

The threads claiming that the only reason Dean lost was because of a conspiracy? Very popular. Very disrespectful to supporters of other candidates.

Don't forget the Kerry won because of Skull and Bones thread, we will see many more of the same trash in the future, and it won't be from Clark supporters, either.

[edzontar]

55. Those are stupid--but pale in significance

Compared to the Dean attacks tonight, and for many months.

[incapsulated]

63. It would take..

a very selective memory and a very oversensitive nature to think that is true.

I've had my candidate called a war criminal, a Republican, a Rove plant and a part of a PNAC plot. Daily.

[edzontar]

66. Not by me.

Although I must say i don't support him at all now--after being rather favorable--thanks to the invasion.

[incapsulated]

72. I didn't say you did

I said your view of how Dean is treated on this forum is myopic. He isn't alone, and his camp is in no position to claim that they have been singled out. I remember when they ruled this forum and you could barely make a frowny face in Dean's direction without being ganged up on. If a bit of flames on a internet board after a loss is that upsetting, then don't come to DU during the primaries, because it's pretty clear that there is a lot of hostility from all sides on this site. Nobody is going to get off without some bruising. I won't whine about it if Clark gets clobbered in NH. If I find it too provoking, I'll just log off.

[DrBB]

I'd gladly join you in responding

...if you'd care to point out some. I've been trying to do that wherever I see it. I've weighed in on a couple of threads that seemed to be going over the line, but it was nothing worse than I've seen aimed at other candidates over the last few weeks, and I've seen plenty of it from self-identified Dean supporters.

My view is that Dean supporters are bound to be feeling pretty raw at the moment, though, which may heighten the sensitivity. If so, all the more reason to disavow this crap--there are few things more dishonorable than gloating over someone else's distress. It's ungenerous, ugly, and what's worse, stupid. The race is far from over, and we all may be working our asses off for Dean come November.

[Guaranteed]

69. You're totally right.

I've been lacing into Kerry and Edwards hard. I think it's the right thing to do at this point.

[RetroLounge]

53. Well, they've done it now, so screw them

Screw Clark and his supporters.

ABC all the way.

I doubt he would even get my vote now.

You guys are pathetic.

[edzontar]

56. I am with you---Join the Stop Clark Movement!!!

nt

[Cuban_Liberal]

54. No, it's just some sophomoric fools gloating and rubbing salt in the wound

They are the same idiots that do it normally, so don't sweat the small stuff. Dr. Dean has run an amazing campaign, and it is FAR from being over. He was, is and will continue to be a formidable opponent!

Good luck to you and yours, and on to NH and on to the White House in November!

:hi:

[Clark4Prez]

57. I have tried to defend Dean on many different posts

Most of them never got a response. Oh well, so much for being civil.

[edzontar]

62. Whatever--your colleagues are doing your candidate serious harm tonight.

nt

[Clark4Prez]

77. Candidates should stand or fall on their own merits

Call me silly, but isn't that what it's really all about?

[clarknyc]

65. Civility is good.

Thanks for your defense of Dean.

[Clark4Prez]

78. You're welcome

I don't like unfair attacks, I signed on Dean's website about the attack ads that came from the unknown group that seemed to be tied to Gephardt.

[mitchum]

60. No, Iowa is

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

75. Yep.

One point for mitchum.

[imax2268]

79. From the Blog...

about Dean...
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I was just remembering a piece of history that may resonate for some of you. In December of 1777, Washington's troops at Valley Forge were hungry, cold, ragged, and cramped. "An army of skeletons appeared before our eyes naked, starved, sick and discouraged," wrote New York's Gouverneur Morris of the Continental Congress. The Marquis de Lafayette wrote: "The unfortunate soldiers were in want of everything; they had neither coats nor hats, nor shirts, nor shoes. Their feet and their legs froze until they were black, and it was often necessary to amputate them."
Six months later they were a disciplined, self-confident, and dignified legion.
Let's all remember that Revolutions don't happen easily or overnight. And none of us is naked, frozen or starving. We march on, we march on, and we don't stop until we win.

Posted by Liz in Philly at January 19, 2004 10:21
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Let's go DEAN...!!!