Karl Rove: "I hate tonight"

[Jack_Dawson]

And you know that's what he's thinking. FUCK!!! My imbecile has to face either a decorated war veteran, a decorated war General, or a handsome, educated, articulate successful trial lawyer and senator.

:hi:

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1. Wow, you counting Dean out already?

And DK and AS too?

[Jack_Dawson]

2. DK and AS yes, HD no

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[NewHampster]

4. Rove is wild with delight tonight

Dean is his nightmare.

Give dubya anyone else to eat for lunch.

[Jack_Dawson]

5. Ummm...yeah

:freak:

[hlthe2b]

7. I think (regardless of nominee) the highly energized DEM electorate

is Rove's true biggest fear.

[RobertSeattle]

18. Yes - the huge increase in Caucus attendence is big deal

Dem's are engergized and I think most former Naderites will certainly vote Dem this time around.

[CivilRightsNow]

34. Naderites wont vote dem if it's Clark.

Guaranteed.

[Jack_Dawson]

35. How very Pro-Bush

[Turkw]

38. Then we may have them to thank for TWO Bush terms, instead of just

one miserable failure. I'm ABB all that way. I will vote for the Dem nominee BECAUSE that person is the ONLY way we will be spared four more years.

You want to send a message, fine, send a telegram. You want to save the country, ABB!

[RandomUser]

42. I voted Nader last time around

I'm not sure if you'd consider me a Naderite since I'm not a registered Green. I'm a registered Dem who voted Nader last time around. I'm voting Clark this time around.

[Justice]

37. IMO The Turnout Is the Big Story

and what Rove should be most worried about.

[RobertSeattle]

19. Yes - the huge increase in Caucus attendence is big deal

Dem's are engergized and I think most former Naderites will certainly vote Dem this time around.

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[laura888]

11. agreed! Dean could have torn up Bush!

Can Kerry do this? doubt it.

[mitchum]

29. We will see...ye of little faith

[laura888]

12. agreed! Dean could have torn up Bush!

Can Kerry do this? doubt it.

[Guaranteed]

30. The last thing Rove needs is real opposition.

Give him someone that voted for almost every bill that he or Cheney wrote, and he'll be happy. :)

[PVnRT]

40. That is just as idiotic

as the people who claim that Rove wants Dean to win the nomination :eyes:

[girl gone mad]

6. Well,

I don't buy into the idea that they wanted Dean, necessarily. BUt, even if that idea holds merit, I think they are more than a little bit arrogant to think he would be easy to beat.

That said, I do think they might be questioning the amount of energy they've devoted almost entirely to Dean.

[DaisyUCSB]

13. They'll never admit it, but I think it' s pretty obvious that's who they

want

There have just been too many prominent republicans who say it, for it to be some kind of reverse psychology. It's almost universal with republicans.

[knight_of_the_star]

8. Rove's worst nightmare

Will be on the day of the convention when his fears become reality.

[fishnfla]

9. Good post, but Rove's ahead of ya

frickin' SOTU tomorrow night. watch for lines to be drawn in the sand

[Jack_Dawson]

28. Forgive me I've had wine - SOTU?

[deminflorida]

10. Clearly...

The momentum has shifted to Kerry tonight as well as Edwards. But, that said...Clark is well dug in up there in N.H.

Let's wait on the polls, I believe Kerry will go ahead in N.H. but the national numbers are what I'm really interested in.

It's going to be tough for Dean from here on out, and as for Kerry... I don't think the Clintons are going to piss off the Kennedys with a Hillary endorsement up there.

That will come I believe sometime after N.H. and before South Carolina. But, it's just speculation on my part. Clark is raising money hand over foot nationally.

[_NorCal_D_]

14. You bet!

Rove's nightmare has come true! :bounce::bounce:

[mvd]

15. Well, with Edwards..

if the Bush campaign starts talking about him being a trial lawyer, all he has to say is this: would you rather vote for someone who truly believed in fighting for the little person, or would you rather support big oil people?

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[_NorCal_D_]

23. Nice

:thumbsup:

[kskiska]

16. There sure were long faces over at Faux News

I switched it on and thought someone had died. Brit Hume, William Kristol and Mort Kondracke spoke in mournful tones. Looks like they were blindsided.

[maxr4clark]

24. I saw that too

Way to go, Kerry and Edwards! I can't believe how much joy I'm taking in how completely you've surprised the news pundits, especially the Republican ones. I think Kerry will do well in New Hampshire, as well; I'm very curious about how Edwards will do there, and I wasn't thinking about that at all before.

My two cents is, I'm looking forward to having fewer candidates to compare. The candidates will get to give their views in paragraphs, rather than sentences. I think my candidate will shine in that kind of forum, but honestly I want us to pick the best candidate to go up against Bush. If that ends up being Kerry or Edwards, I'm fine with that.

But platitudes aside, Wes will win. The most telling stat was that 75% of those polled were against the War, but that the anti-war vote did not all go to Howard Dean. I think that's because the American people realize that winning the peace after the war is part of winning the war, and only General Clark has real-world experience doing that.

[Jack_Dawson]

31. LOL!!!! I love it

[maxanne]

17. sure he is

It always cracks me up that folks who have NEVER believed a single thing Rove says roll over and do doggy tricks because Rove claims to want Dean as a candidate. Why start believing him now?

Don't forget - the decorated war hero got fired from his job, but the imbecile got Saddam.

[neverforget]

26. No, the US military got Saddam, not that imbecile Bush.

Clark got fired from his job but got the Medal of Freedom from Clinton, an Honorable Discharge and lots of praise from Shelton and Cohen. yeah, he got fired. The only thing that changed is that Shelton is supporting another horse in this race. That's called politics. If you wish to believe the Republican talking points, that's your perogative.

[Jack_Dawson]

32. Amen

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

20. I bet KR is shaking in his boots right now.

We have a very strong pack at this point.

[Meshuga]

22. I'm not counting Dean out...

But now he has to win NH or his campaign is in trouble.

Go Kerry! :party: :party: :party: :party: :party:

[EllieDem]

25. Trust me, Rove & the WH are salivating

over a Clark or Dean nominee. They are worried sick right now.

[scheming daemons]

27. Strong group

The four "leaders"... those with a chance of winning the nomination... all have their strong points.

Personally, I think Edwards would have the best chance against chimp-boy... the gender-gap alone will be +40% for Edwards versus Bush.

I think, of the group, Kerry is the weakest against Bush.

But all four ... Clark, Dean, Kerry, Edwards ... would have my vote against shrub.

Thank goodness Gephardt is gone... what a dry, boring, old-school, horrible candidate he is/was. Be nice if he gave his union-rich endorsement to Edwards.

And please... someone just give Lieberman his RNC membership card and be done with it.


Dean

[MoonRiver]

33. Rove, aka Humptey Dumptey?

:D

[stickdog]

36. That must be why he had the Club for Growth and all his RW

mouthpieces "help" Dean with their incessant attacks.

It was because he REALLY wanted to run against Dean.

Right?

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. This is actually good for Bush

The longer it takes for us to choose a nominee, the better for him. If you think that things have gotten ugly with Democrats attacking each other, you haven't seen anything yet.

[mac56]

41. I disagree that this is good for Bush.

It's good for us to take the time we need to get the best candidate. The crucible of the long process - that which does not kill us makes us stronger - and all that.

This is nothing compared to past primary seasons! Getting it out of our systems now will make us more ready for *'s attacks.

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. What doens't kill you doesn't always make you you stronger

Ask anyone who has had a heart attack. Will a nominee who has been relenlessly attacked by both Democrats and Republicans be able to beat Bush?

[mac56]

44. I see your point.

Can't argue about the heart attack. No doubt that a nominee who's been relentlessly attacked by both Dems and Repubs may be weakened. Or he may use the attacks to anticipate arguments, formulate responses, and field some counterattacks of his own. It's not a given that he'd be worn down beyond repair.

One could argue that a Dem nominee who's had nothing but powder-puff attacks and confrontations would be eaten alive by the Rove machine!

[Freddie Stubbs]

45. There is probably a happy medium

But a fight that lasts until the convention is not what we need. Things could be a lot nastier.