I've already seen a couple of disheartened Dean supporters...

[wyldwolf]

... discussing going third party now or not voting at all.

Knew it.

BUSH in '04! Whoo hoo!

[Jack_Dawson]

1. We knew it

All the polls beared it out. "If I can't win I'm taking my toys and going home"

Bush loves it.

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. So?

I've seen clark supporters here say the same, and he's not even running in Iowa. What is your point?

[wyldwolf]

6. I'll show you mine if you show me yours...

...but I won't hold my breath waiting.

[Cuban_Liberal]

8. I don't play 'gotcha'.

But thanks for asking. :)

[wyldwolf]

11. Thought so

[Cuban_Liberal]

13. Thought so WHAT?

:eyes:

[wyldwolf]

18. You can't prove your assertion

[Cuban_Liberal]

24. I didn't bookmark the threads.

I don't come here planning on playing 'gotcha!', like some do. I can, however, link you to the Clark blog where the 'freeping' of DU polls is encouraged, Would you like to see that link, perhaps? :)

[wyldwolf]

28. thought so

[Cuban_Liberal]

30. This is childish.

There are no debating points being awarded for this sort of inanity.:eyes:

[Democrats unite]

31. There is one link

And someone else had to get it for you!.

[Cuban_Liberal]

34. So?

I have it now. What is your point?

[wyldwolf]

36. And the DU polls have WHAT to do with the Iowa caucus?

:)

[Democrats unite]

40. CVheck out my predicion thread...

It might shed some light on this discussion.

[Cuban_Liberal]

41. Just about as much as the inflammatory drivel in the initial thread

That's what. :)

[wyldwolf]

47. avoiding the issue again.

[Cuban_Liberal]

53. No, addressing it bluntly.

The initial post is nothing but a deliberate taunt to Dean supporters, a rubbing of salt in the wound, and an open invitation to a flame war. Were it within MY power, I would have locked the damn thing. Frankly, it reminds me of the same behavior 3rd-grade schoolyard bullies engage in.

[Democrats unite]

59. ROFLOL!

eom

[Cuban_Liberal]

60. ROFLOL back at ya, buckaroo.

:eyes:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. We've had polls on DU - every single Clark person said they were ABB

It was the Dean people who had the highest ratio of saying they'd bolt out of all of them...

[Hoppin_Mad]

56. BS ! 30+ Clark supporters said they would vote bush* before Dean !

In a poll I posted.

[jmaier]

66. Hoppin

There is NO WAY to establish those as Clark supporters. Not a single Clark supporter posted an actual response indicating that they would vote for Bush over Dean. Nor have any made those comments on any thread that I have seen.

All of the not ABB folks that I've seen post come from Dean supporters and to some extent the far left progressives here.

[wyldwolf]

68. link?

[_NorCal_D_]

70. Show me a link.

[_NorCal_D_]

67. Do you have an example?

I do not know a single Clark supporter who is NBC.

[Khephra]

3. If you're wanting polite losers

Howabout you play the role of non-asshole winners?

[Walt Starr]

21. Thanks, keph, this is precisely why I am now firmly NBD

I'll write in Dean if I have to in November.

[kcr]

4. Consideirng the way they have been treated

do you blame them? I cannot even begin to count the number of posts moking thier organization and passion and plans. I wasn't a dean person befor etonight, but considering the shitty way the idea of a non-DLC, non-corporate passionate campaign has been dumped on here, then I might just not vote either.

[Cuban_Liberal]

12. Dean supporters have been treated ABOMINABLY here.

I won't name names, but I'll say that there are certain psters here who absolutely DELIGHT in posting nasty stuff about Dr. Dean.

*cough, cough, cough*

[oxymoron]

25. I won't name names either but...

it's more than a little disingenuous to imply that there wasn't vitriol coming from the Dean camp. I am an undecided and I have been appalled at the smear tactics coming from a number of camps.

[Cuban_Liberal]

48. I agree.

But if it's going to be an 'eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth', how soon before the whole board is blind and toothless? :shrug:

[Democrats unite]

43. And without naming names certain posters here...

have taken delight in posting flase or misinformation about Clark!


*cough, cough, cough*

[Cuban_Liberal]

44. It wouldn't be me.

Absolutely every thing i've posted is true.:)

[Democrats unite]

61. see post #59

eom

[Cuban_Liberal]

63. No, I can't be bothered any more.

eom

[Eurobabe]

50. that's payback

for the shitty way the dean supporters treated us over at another site. they were cocky and arrogant. kerry and edwards people were civil. congrat to them.

[gardenista]

5. Links? nt

.

[wyldwolf]

14. thread tonight

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=139860&mesg_id=139860

[gardenista]

62. Um, I think I saw *one* person who typifies your claim?

This is as bad as the WSJ pulling one inflammatory DU post out of thousands and using it to paint all DUers. This tactic destroys your credibility.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. can you blame them?

the pile-on of dean was unprecedented. - with so-called democrats running bush-style ads about september 11that did everything short of call him pro-terrorist

[hellhathnofury]

9. et tu Kerredwardt?

[aquart]

10. Then Dean better put them straight.

First: It ain't over. There are 49 other states.

Second: NOBODY throws away a vote this year.

Third: We're out to BEAT BUSH.

All the rest is commentary. The programs, the plans, there isn't a dime for them anyway. We are being poisoned by fascism and there is no America if we do not DEFEAT BUSH.

Now slap 'em upside the head and tell 'em to get to NH.

[Walt Starr]

32. As I see it, there's but one way to defeat Bush

If the Democratic PArty chooses not to go down that road, I'll take the direction I know is right.

I refuse to vote for those who have piled on Dean.

[Foswia]

51. So Dean can be the next Nader (nt)

[goobergunch]

15. I will not be supporting Clark even if the only remaining candidate is

Lieberman.

I'll only support Clark if he's the nominee, and I'm not even sure that I'm going to be able to do that.

[edzontar]

71. I'm with you--Join the Stop Clark Movement.

Vote Kerry

Vote Edwards

Vote Dean

Vote Anyone but Clark.

[ShaneGR]

16. Then it's Howard Dean's job to put them straight.

Unless vanity is more important than beating Bush.

[Rowdyboy]

17. I really like you, wyldwolf

and Wes is my man, but this serves no positive purpose.

Sincerely, your Aunt Maud...

[stopbush]

20. Maybe among first-timers, but those of us committed to ousting

bush don't think that way at all.

I've supported Dean for his stand against the war, and whatever happens going forward, Dean put both the anti-war and lousy economy planks in the Dem platform for this year. If the nominee isn't Dean, I will support them, but I would hope that they would take the ball that Dean handed them and continue to run with it.

Biggest point - this is not a long primary season, but there are many contests still to come. Some want to declare the ballgame over, but we've only seen one batter so far...and he hit a double.

Patience friends, patience.

[Walt Starr]

26. I've been voting since I was eighteen

more than two decades. I';ve never seen a nastier primary in my life.

I refuse to support anybody who pulled the crap of the other campaigns.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

45. I'm sure the election will hinge on your vote (or lack of)

The other candidates are simply distraught. Apoplectic.

[Foswia]

64. Praytell, what "crap" did Edwards pull?

Praytell, what "crap" did Edwards pull?

[Endangered Specie]

22. Not me

Id vote for lieberman before * or 3rd party.

[Zero Division]

23. This is not necessary

Dean may not be one of my favorite candidate, but it sounds like you are implying an unfair generalization about his supporters.

[ulysses]

27. don't cream your pants yet, hotshot.

Tonight's a disappointment, but there's a lot of race to be run.

[wyldwolf]

35. Not that I would, but it is merely an observation

I made no judgement on how well Dean will do in the other primaries, just that a few of his supporters have declared their intentions to take their ball and go home because of the Iowa caucus.

[Walt Starr]

55. I've been NBD for a damn long time, if you didn't notice

even had it in my sig for a loooog time. Now it's back and it ain't going away.

[poskonig]

29. Start treating Dean supporters with respect.

This has become anti-Deanunderground, and it has to stop. People act as if Dean supporters don't belong in the party.

[wyldwolf]

33. Now that is funny!

[Endangered Specie]

37. But is it true?

Now that Kerry is considered front runner... will we see a barrage of anti-Kerry stuff?? I wouldnt be suprised

[wyldwolf]

58. no, it isn't

There have been just as many - if not more - vitriolic rhetoric on Wesley Clark.

But Clark supporters don't complain about how "unfair" it is and how everyone is picking on them.

[Cuban_Liberal]

39. I've noticed the same thing.

Disgusting.

[KittyWampus]

38. Wyldwolf, Please Can We Check Our Attitudes.

please

[John_H]

42. I suggest reading every post in this thread

the asking yourself, could Howard Dean's "grassroots organization" ever defeat George Bush?

[lurk_no_more]

46. IMO It doesn't surprise me

they are the ones that probably never voted Dem before so it's understandable that they would want their first time Dem vote to be for their choice.

Those that are willing to vote ABB, simply want bush out more.

What happens if bush isn't defeated happens to us all and I will sleep better knowing I at least attempted to prevent that from happening.


And then there were none!
” JAFO”

[DancingBear]

49. Stop it - now.

There has been enough vitriol on this board between the Dean/Clark camps to last a lifetime - from BOTH sides.

The idea of this campaign is to pick a nominee and then STAND BEHIND HIM. Is that so tough to understand?

Playing gotcha is easy - acting with respect takes something special. For those of us on all sides who respect the democratic process may I suggest we do so?

There is nothing wrong in continuing the discussions re: electability, perception, and the like, nor is there anything wrong with an ocassional knee to the groin when no one's looking. All's fair in politics, save two things:

1) Gloating is a fools way of saying "look at me", and anyone dumb enough to think one state equals fifty states needs to retake Politics 101

2) Anyone who refuses to pull the (D) lever because their candidate didn't win the primary may as well ask George for a job in the Bush II administration. Damned if you wouldn't have earned it.

[frank frankly]

57. you said it, dancing bear

I supported Dean with $$$, but never ever never ever have I been anything except ABB.

99% of Dean's supporters will fight for any Dem candidate. bank on it.

as I am sure all the other camps here would.

[David Zephyr]

52. Wyldwolf, You Are Bigger Than This.

I know you. This is beneath you.

Dean's supporters (I am one) will hardly be tossing the election to George Bush.

Peace.

[...Alltogethernow]

54. It's Dean or Green for me

n/t

[jpgray]

65. No salt in wounds, please. People are emotional, don't stir 'em up. (nt)

[edzontar]

69. Kerry's win is bad news for Clark supporters....

I hope.

By the way, no thanks for this mean-spirited, miserable thread.

[Moderator]

72. Locking.

Unnecessarily inflammatory.

DU Moderator