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rockydem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:34 PM Original message |
Could Edwards have won? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. No. |
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PROGRESSIVE1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Clark/Dean 04'! |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I like the Clark part |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I like the Dean part :) |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I respect your opinion |
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PROGRESSIVE1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. Wes Clark alone would have put us over the top. A 4 Star General... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Here's the one negative about Clark I agree with |
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Kilkenny5 (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Maybe it's me but |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
117. I don't care who you support in '08. I don't even know who I'm supporting |
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ArkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
118. I would say Clark is more like the |
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arewenotdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
124. I like the Clark/Dean part |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:43 PM Original message |
the polls consistently showed that Kerry had his highest positive ratings |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's a normal bounce though. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. IIUC, this wasnt' the normal bounce in K v B #s. It was a bounce in how... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Fair enough. I can buy that. |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Historically, that isn't true |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. For a history lesson, consider '72. |
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pdxmike (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. veeps never bring |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. They cheated |
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clintonlover (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. I second that thought .... eom |
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CarbonDate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
89. glad to see the obligatory "we wuz robbed" thread hijack... n/t |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
130. By all mean let's not even consider it for a moment. No things are exactly |
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hopein08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think so |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nope, and even if they didn't cheat, the guy didn't win his own state |
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blueknight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. no, and i love john, |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. there's no way Gephart would have helped this ticket do better than it did |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I think Edwards had an impact in WI and OH. He did very well in those |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
105. I have nothing against Gephardt |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. how many days/weeks/months did Kerry have Edwards campaigning |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
32. I agree on both accounts, but to your first point...It is KERRY's fault |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. it's possible but here's another point of view |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. North Carolina is a state with a huge amount of questionable election |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Not that much....when your own home town news paper names you Senator Gone |
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atre (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. That newspaper endorsed him |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. And it wasn't even a daily paper. It was one of those free papers that are |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. The Kerry campaign spent no resources in the south |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
108. North Carolina is a pretty solid red state... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. Absolutely not! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. Who knows, but here's some good evidence he might have started from a |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Edwards proves you can win over swing voters without selling out |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Not only that, but I think a lot of upper middle class white people... |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
63. wow, this is very interesting--thanks, AP. |
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Carolinian (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes, yes, yes. |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. Maybe.... |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. I don't know, but he at least would have lost with style... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. Terra Terra Terra won, backed up by the mistaken notion that Repubs |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I'm not sure that every Dem candidate/campaign would have suffered the... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. It was about terra because |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
92. Great toons. Thanks. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
23. Nope. Even some Bushies hate the war. Edwards sponsored IWR. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. well, it depends on whether your ask the electorate, or Diebold. nt |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. So, it would have been "No" and "No" then |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Maybe, maybe not. |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. i'd imagine that the electorate would prefer edwards more than diebold... |
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Padraig18 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Exactly. |
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angrydemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
29. Nope |
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MISSDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. All of the reports that I heard from the small towns that Edwards |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
33. It is a no. |
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julialnyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
35. NO! |
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Senator Lamb (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Edwards would have been elected President in 2004 |
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Kilkenny5 (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
71. I agree n/t |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. And during those parts of the campaign, who did Kerry call on? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Edwards did very well in NH with moderates, and, like you said, |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:10 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. Bull! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. He spent loads of time in Iowa in the four weeks before NH. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Oh, and google shows it wasn't Bull: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. And there's more: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
102. And more... |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. We tried the war hero thing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. You're letting Republicans frame reality. Time for a paradigm shift. |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
80. RFK being a Kennedy had nothing to do with it |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Being a Kennedy didnt' help Ted 8 years later. And RFK had definitely |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Teddy had that little Chappaquiddick thing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. If you read Clinton's My Life, or if you saw the PBS special recently, or |
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TimeToGo (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. Who knows? But I don't think so |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
43. Yes |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
45. No, I don't think so.... |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
46. NO |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. No Dem candidate could have "won" and all of them could |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. I was never comfortable with Edwards' "Two Americas" thing. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Two Americas WAS talking about what was happening in people's lives. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Not enough people. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. In the primaries in every state Edwards did better with people who |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Especially in the open primaries, where Bushies were voting |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Now why would they vote for Edwards in the primary to spoil the election |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. Did better than who or what? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Both the exit polls in the primaries and the Deliberative Poll |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. OK, I'll buy it. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Bad: two Americas. Good: one america. You don't have to identiify with |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
116. Julien, very true. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #116 |
122. But the middle class does care about the middle class, and that's what |
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cyn2 (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
60. Not enough experience to be a WAR prez n/t |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
61. No...he lost in the primaries |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Check this out: |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The problem with that whole premise.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. More time, more money, and head to head with any single other candidate... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. One thing you can say about Diebold is that it really doesn't |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. It's possible. |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
73. Hard to say. He would have connected very well... |
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wishlist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
74. Yes- he had a clearer theme, can discuss 'values' better, raised Baptist |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
76. Possibly, but I don't think he'd be effective on terror |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
77. NO WAY - "IT WAS NATIONAL SECURITY, STUPID" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. I have no doubt that someone who thinks that way can't see Edwards winning |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I agree |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. Clark would probably be better off running as the saviour of the |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
78. He would have had a better chance than Kerry. |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. An Edward's Clark ticket would have looked silly |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Frankly, people would have been too freaked out to put a little known |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Or rather a drunk butcher (Black Tuesday) shot his mouth off |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #93 |
107. Hmmm.....Black Tuesday? Wasn't it |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:08 AM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Gen. Sir Mike Jackson's nicknames are ..... |
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Mike L (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
119. "The hard truth" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:12 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. I don't think either of those stories are true... |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. Harder to tell the truth: |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:02 AM Response to Reply #90 |
109. I don't think Clinton awarded Clark the congressional medal of freedom for |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I don't think Clinton |
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DjTj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:49 AM Response to Reply #88 |
112. Like a Bush-Cheney ticket? |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
103. I had a hard enough time voting for Kerry |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
104. "Could Edwards have won?" |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-01-04 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
106. He COULD have won |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
110. Woulda, coulda, shoulda theories..... |
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Donna Zen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Magnificent! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. Hey Donna Z.... |
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KSAtheist (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:35 AM Response to Original message |
114. No. |
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ernstbass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
121. I live in VA |
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medeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
123. trial lawyer thing |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Edwards went up 10 pts in his NC Senate race in last two weeks when they |
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medeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 03:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. good point |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. We were too busy talking about war and being a soldier and terror. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. "We"? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Yep....I even heard Edwards |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. It's a matter of priorities. But I have a question. |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
129. Yes. We have fair elections--But, we need more electronic voting machines. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
133. Yes |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-02-04 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
134. We could have Jesus Christ run and they would have |
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