Can Dean win? Is it still possible? give me hope please

[ProudToBeLiberal]

:(

[dobak]

1. Yes

But this setback is going to make it a longshot

[creativelcro]

Iowa is not predictive of who gets the nomination

They'll work harder now.

[dobak]

18. yes, but the negative press is going to siphon a lot of support

It will take tons of work to get that support back.

It can be done.

[Cuban_Liberal]

2. Of course it's possible.

Take a deep breath. You've got tons of cash and your organization is still intact. :)

[ACPS65]

11. It'll be an uphill battle.

18% among an anti-war crowd....not good.

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. We'll see.

My guy did great, but I still wish we had what dr. Dean has, at this point. I'd trade in a heartbeat.

[jpgray]

3. Sure! Dean still has a great advantage in $$ and endorsements

He leads in NH, he has a great chance at the nom.

[Democrats unite]

He also led in Iowa until recently.

eom

[Jackson Smith]

4. It'll be tough. He's getting creamed. Under 20%

He's coming in 3rd in a state he was widely considered to do great in.

[Mass_Liberal]

5. I am flipping out here man

I thought we were doing awesome. We have money, and people on the ground. We have the biggest union in Iowa. We have the endorsment of Harkin. WTF is going on? Eeeeek.

:wtf:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. Feel bad for ya guys... Must be a shocker.

If it's any consolation - a lot of us have been there (losing when you thought you were "absolutely" supposed to win). That makes it even tougher because it's a even bigger letdown. I know I've had my heart "ripped" out a few times myself.

[fishguy]

6. None, it's hopeless

For a good without a job who did so much campaigning to have such a poor performance means Iowans saw something in him

[bigwillq]

7. Clinton was third or fourth in Iowa..

and he went on to win the White House. Always Believe.

[Sterling]

20. Exactly, Iowa aint the boss of me.

Honestly I was surprised that a latte drinking liberal ever had a chance in that state.

Joe Six pack never disapoints to have a pavlovian response to RW propaganda. Too bad so many dems helped them out this time.

[Jackson Smith]

21. Clinton didn't even run in Iowa

He spent little time and money there. Dean has been all over Iowa. He badly wanted to win there. Clinton was banking on the South (where Dean is very iffy).

This field has much more overall talent than the '92 field. Tsongas? lol

[liberalpragmatist]

8. yes, definitely possible

Your guy still leads NH and so many other primary states. He's gonna live to see another day and he'll be one of the finalists, quite possibly the nominee.

[mmonk]

9. Yes

[Jerseycoa]

10. Probably not tonight

But this doesn't end it. Buck up!

[ButterflyBlood]

12. absolutely

Clinton didn't do too hot in Iowa either.

[incapsulated]

13. Well...

I don't take either Iowa or NH as seriously as some here do, although Dean did pour a lot of money and time in those states.

He has to win NH, though, after this, imho.

[tritsofme]

30. Not only does he have to win NH

He has to win it big and do everything he can to stop Kerry's impending momentum.

I do not see that as very likely.

If Dean doesn't win NH, he's done for.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. Can you believe this? A week ago they were saying that Dean was a "shoo-in

Just goes to show you that the media don't know shit...

[Indiana Democrat]

14. No.

[not systems]

Clinton lost Iowa...

then was second in NH then won.

I am a Dean supporter and hope he can pull it out
in NH and place in SC if so he is still in.

Otherwise...

[Kathleen04]

16. It's not over yet..

get ready for round 2, NH.

And, the night isn't over yet..

[tinrobot]

17. Of course...

Plenty of people have lost Iowa and went on to the White House. Clinton and Reagan are two that come to mind.

[NoPasaran]

19. Of course we can still win

This is one state out of 50.
Tomorrow we'll dust outselves off and move on to winning New Hampshire.
Gephardt on the other hand looks like he's done.

[MidwestMomma]

22. Remember, Carter's the only candidate to win Iowa and the WH

Iowa just shows us that anything can happen. Hang in there....

And if the future changes things around for your candidate, remember people's kind words tonight.

[bearfartinthewoods]

40. carter didn't win iowa

[Clark4VotingRights]

23. Yes

This means little

1% of delegates

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-040118primary-graphic,1,1224785.graphic?coll=chi-news-hed

Relax

[maddezmom]

24. yes: Honestly, anyone can still win. n/t

[WilliamPitt]

25. It's wide open

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

26. It is over for Dean

Killed in Iowa. And Kerry will easily win NH with his momentum. And Dean has no chance in SC.

0 for 3 will not bode well.

Dean is just wrapped too tight.

[CabalBuster]

27. Money and organization are the key ...

I really believe Gephardt and Sharpton's attacks hurt Dean. But he's got the money and the supporters in the long haul, Iowa is overrated.

[bread_and_roses]

28. As others have noted

other candidates have won the Primary without winning Iowa. I caught just the tail end of a segment on NPR (yes, I know, but best news I can get on the car radio) saying that Iowa was not a particularly good predictor of the nominee. It's a long road yet.

[Art_from_Ark]

29. Here's a list of winners and losers of previous Iowa caucuses

As you may note, the winner in 1988 was Dick Gephardt, followed by Paul Simon (politicians from neighboring states), with the ultimate nominee, Michael Dukakis, coming in a distant third. The winner in 1972 was Edmund Muskie, who ultimately lost out to George McGovern for the nomination.

Even more remarkable is that in 1992, Bill Clinton only garnered a paltry 2.8%-- and we all know the rest of THAT story.

http://desmoinesregister.com/extras/politics/caucus2004/pastresults.html

[TLM]

31. Clinton did not win Iowa's caucus....

Kerry did well tonight because the Gephardt people bailed on Gephardt and went for Kerry. That won't happen in primary states unless Gephardt drops out of the race.

And even if he does, there's Clark, who will be pulling support from the same demographic supporting Kerry.


Also this was a very very expensive win for Kerry. There's no way he can maintain this burn rate... that's going to be Dean's big advantage over Kerry as the race moves on to states with votes and no caucus.

[John_H]

44. Nobody seriously ran in Iowa in 92

because Harken was a shoe in. New Hapshire was the big fight.

[Renew Deal]

32. Dean is badly hurt here.

Search my posts. I am not rubbing it in. This is very bad for Dean. It makes him look like a myth.

[creativelcro]

33. It's OK... Now the press will start hammering Kerry and Edwards

[David Zephyr]

34. Dean Can Win. He Has Money & Organization in all 50 States.

Don't get too discouraged.

Dean can go the distance while the rest must live off the land from Primary to Primary.

He has a very strong advantage and can run media blitz campaigns in the multi-state primaries where it is impossible for any candidate to be at the same time.

Howard Dean will arrive in Boston with at least 35% of the delegates even if he stumbles.

Take cheer in that.

I am a Dean supporter, but tonight I am giving a lot of credit to John Kerry and John Edwards and their supporters. They deserve it.

:hi:

[Nashyra]

35. Of course he can still win

although I would still rather see Clark, Dean is still a very viable candidate and if anyone writes him off he is a fool.

[caledesi]

36. I feel like crying. (Big Dean supporter). I thought he would at

least come in second. Oh well, ABB. I like Edwards over Kerry.

[David Zephyr]

37. Don't Cry.

Dean has shown very well.

And will continue to do so.

:hi:

[Paragon]

38. Geez, spook easily?

:eyes:

[Art_from_Ark]

43. Yeah, really

Winning Iowa actually seems to be a curse for Democrats, because since 1972 the winner has never gone on to win the White House*

*Jimmy Carter "lost" to "Uncommitted" in 1976.
Al Gore won Iowa in 2000, but he got screwed by the Fraudulent Five in the general election.

[Guaranteed]

42. Best news for Dean today- It sounds like Gep is dropping out.

Hopefully he'll push his resources over to Dean.