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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:03 PM Original message |
We need to stop fantasizing AND demonizing. |
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alternative2 (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Count me in |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. I know I am. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm all for that. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Glad you are over it. Bye now. I'll stay "silly". |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Where did I say 'over it'? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. In your reality, W won. In mine, he cancelled elections, installed |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Reality is an objective concept. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
87. Whining about it is a waste of energy? |
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Redleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
104. Reality is quite subjective. Ask Berger and Luckman. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 09:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
120. I like the quote... |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. really |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. No. |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
39. explain |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. This is exactly what I wrote: |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
89. understood |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #89 |
118. Well, you are wrong. |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
98. Geez Mberst, what word smith you are... |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. ok |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. =o) |
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r3verberate (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
103. Trying to explain things on this forum ... |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
6. I've accepted it. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. It's early yet |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm inclined to let people process things |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
11. As you process things, you may want to pay attention to this (fixed link) |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Bad link. n/t |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Hey robbed |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. One element of figuring out why Bush won is |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Like how come we didn't expect 11 million martians to descend |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. By Martians, you mean Evangelical Christians |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
80. Kerry was an average politician, Bush had the Terra element... |
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smoot (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 10:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
102. Good points for regaining strength |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 10:44 AM Response to Reply #102 |
117. Hi smoot!! |
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Bleacher Creature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
15. Everyone needs to relax |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. We're on the same page. |
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ironcity (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 08:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
114. why so many swing voters went for bush |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Deleted message |
Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Coronated? N/t |
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Bleacher Creature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm sure not rolling over |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. The fight was NEVER about Kerry - it was about democracy all along |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 08:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
116. Excellent post and well said! |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. Kerry was our Bob Dole |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Deleted message |
seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
52. You must be confusing me for someone else. I never addressed you. |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. I personally think Kerry was more like Barry Goldwater. n/t |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. As in New Democrat: fiscal hawk, stronger on defense |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Huh? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
91. Bob Dole didn't have a chance. Kerry could have won it |
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muse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 06:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Agree. Plus, Kerry is smart, well informed. Had makings of great candidate |
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imenja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
21. I agree, and I'm in |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Exactly! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Deleted message |
catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. You know, recognizing something is wrong is |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I need to recover from what? Dictatorship? |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. George Bush is what's wrong |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
26. this is an opinion |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Thanks for the ray of sanity in his thread. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Deleted message |
Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Thanks for the lecture, mom. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Not your mom. And your reality is manufactured, study well and fast! |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. My reality is objective. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Who are the 11 million then? Please explain. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. WHAT 11 million people? |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. *crickets* n/t |
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VioletLake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. New voters. n/t |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. That was simple. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
27. Deleted message |
jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
28. I look at it this way.... |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here! Right Here! |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
44. you're absolutely right . . . we allowed them to steal another one . . . |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Where did I suggest that in my O/P? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. In your first sentence: |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. It's an objective reality. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. The reality is WE DID NOT HAVE AN ELECTION. Nothing lost, nothing won |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. We did have an election. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Deleted message |
Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. John Kerry got more votes than Al Gore did, too. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. However, people of conscience owe it to themselves to expose |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
57. Cuban Liberal, do you believe the election was stolen? |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I think Bush got more votes. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. The evidence is gathering. Berkeley, MIT concur |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Because no one has produced legally-sufficient proof. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Legally? Ya mean up to Scalia's snuff? |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I'm not bullying anyone. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Thanks for your reply. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Exactly. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. What really bothers me is that these voting issues |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Gotta agree with you there. |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
99. Exactly...Kerry or DNC..or whomever |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Kerry's 17,000 lawyers are sitting on their duff. |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Maybe they're sitting on their duff because.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. How about this, my middle of the road analysis... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
67. 2006 is very important. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Only if the system is fixed. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:50 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I sure hope so! It had better be. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Wanna see more kabuki theater? |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Robbed, do you think that if Kerry had absolute proof |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Yes, I do. he caved under pressure on IWR, on VP choice, why not |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Thanks |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. they set it up so there CAN'T BE any proof! . . . |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
79. IT WILL N-E-V-E-R B-E O-V-E-R as long as Bush is in the WH |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 07:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Where is your p-r-o-o-f? |
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m berst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. "proof" is a red herring |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 09:14 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. Exit polls same as Ukraine and every other civilized nation |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
109. They used to work fine until 2000 when they worked fine except for |
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Heimdallr (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Indeed. Please supply some evidence to support your claim. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
105. See # 88 |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
86. Kerry won, w lost, and everybody goddamn well knows it. |
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Heimdallr (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:54 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. How does 'everybody' know it? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. Since you already goddamn well know it, I don't think I'll waste time on |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
90. Focus on why the voters went for bush...EXACTLY.. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. That's putting it pretty succinctly! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 06:49 AM Response to Reply #90 |
113. What Positions On Social Issues Do You Recommend Our Candidates Take? |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Some candidate in Leadership had to |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 09:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
121. *Word* , Sugar.... |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
93. Hand raised. |
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Tuddie (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
94. So, insisting on free, fair and transparent elections is silly? |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
106. Yup. next time, we'll throw more votes in the Diebold garbage - maybe |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 06:02 AM Response to Reply #94 |
110. Chasing will o' the wisps... |
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LisaLynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-27-04 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
108. As I've been saying ... |
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billyskank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
111. But |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
115. It seems to me that the Dem party continues to 'move on' to the next step |
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I_Love_Oregon (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
122. Here Here |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
123. Yes..Amen and Amen |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
124. LIBERAL - Retake the Word |
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Senator Lamb (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. im tired of... |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
126. And We Will Continue To Lose, Silly DU'ers? or BBV |
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