Any regrets now that Kerry has given Kerry's win in Florida to Bush?

[genius]

The recount in Ohio will be too late for the Electoral College. Kerry basically destroyed our changes of removing Bush by his failure to keep his promise and stay in and fight.


Who now wishes we had had a different candidate who would have fought for the voters like the Ukranian opposition leader is doing?

[Hello_Kitty]

1. I thought his concession speech was strange and a little sad.

He seemed really cowed and resigned. It makes me think they got to him somehow. I don't put anything past those evil bastards in the * campaign. It would not surprise me one bit to learn they threatened his family or something. They are worse than the Mafia IMO.

[Norton]

5. This country doesn't deserve good leadership.

The fact that the election was as close as it was proves that.
I think a man would have to crazy or evil to want the job... hence,
George Bush on both counts. I do think there were plenty of Republican dirty tricks, but if half this country can't see through all this BS, then I'm just gonna sit back and stop caring too... it's really my only chance of getting over the loss of my America. Had we won, it would've been close and that's intollerable. Being a liberal has been like trying to save someone who doesn't want to be saved lately... I have to save myself now.
And yes, Kerry is a fine man and was our best choice for the office. You can't win a crooked game. The media rules this country. That swift boat crap is the perfect example. Our fellow Americans actually bought that! Kerry never had a chance, nor would anyone else. It's mass hysteria, mass hynotization that we're losing to, not John Kerry's poor performance... he was "Presidential" all the way. Bush knew he was going to win on election day, you could see it in his demeaner.
We are so screwed. We'll have to wait until we officially bottom out before our country wakes up.

[shrub chipper]

18. My sentiments are very close to yours.

People are going to have to feel the pain before they really wake up

[whistle]

8. I still believe that John Kerry may have decided to not fight...

...because in his heart he knew that Teresa Heinz Kerry was not over enthusiastic about being the first lady. So, perhaps the way JK saw the situation was, "Well, if the American people have decided to cast their lot with an idiot George W Bush and have not given me a clear and decisive victory, even if vote fraud has been committed, I just let Shrub have it. I have my wife, I have bright smart children, I have a nice life style and the people of this country who voted for Bush deserve what they get. Those who didn't and voted for me will be bright enough to pick up the pieces. I'm still going to give my country my full service for the next four years as senator and I'll do what I've always done, give my all, for the job I was given."

That's what I think may have been running through John Kerry's mind when he saw what was going on with the vote results. I don't blame him. I do blame the Democratic Party leaders for not finding a candidate that would not bring those kinds of encumbrances to his or her candidacy. It seems that Howard Dean had a similar situation with his career oriented spouse, who is a very popular and successful doctor back in Vermont, who also showed very little interest in being the first lady and exposing herself to the kinds of abuse and ridicule and vicious attacks that the opposition has no hesitation in waging, whether based on fact or pure fiction. No, the democratic party needs a president and a president's partner who will work together and provide full support for one another and be strong to the point of almost totally unreasonableness. A Hillary Rhodum Clinton as president with a more subdued William Jefferson Clinton would make a great deal of sense in 2008. John Kerry should do what he does best during his next four years and that is to investigate, indite and prosecute the criminals in the Bush Administration and republican party.

[Leilani]

17. I read that contrary to public perception, Theresa Heinz Kerry

was very eager to become First Lady.

If she wasn't, that sounds like a family problem to me. And if Kerry allowed his personal considerations to interfere with his decisions as a candidate, then he shouldn't have run, because he let a lot of people down.

I believe much of the Kerry discussion is pure speculation. We don't know what he thinks, what he is doing or not doing, behind the scenes.
And we don't know what info he has as to fraud, etc.

Maybe we'll never know.

[whistle]

20. Never is a long time, hopefully when John Kerry retires...

...from public life he'll write his book and be completely up front with his public. However, he still has a job to do as senator from Massachusetts over the next four years and he can certainly be very effective in that position if he wishes to be. I'm counting on him to keep the BushCo people fully accountable and perhaps try to make some changes in the voting system and also investigating the Bush Administration for malfeasance and high crimes against the people of the United States.

[Leilani]

23. You are truly an optimist if you believe

that ANY politician will "be completely up front with his public."

I'll wait for the historians.

[brentspeak]

2. I was puzzled about Ohio, but not Florida

Florida wasn't close enough for Kerry to demand a recount. Ohio was a huge longshot -- a 130,000 vote gap is not very close, either. I was thinking that he should have just said, "What do I have to lose? Let's count the provisional ballots."

As much as I want the voting irregularities to be checked, and for Diebold machines to be banned, I don't buy that the presidential election was rigged.

[LisaL]

4. You can not count votes that were never cast.

When people in democratic strongholds of OH stay in line for hours so they can vote, what do you think is going to happen?
How many people left without being able to ever cast their vote?

[brentspeak]

7. I want to find out what happened

I'm not sure how much it was a factor in the end, but it's not acceptable under any circumstances except a tornado. And I don't buy the "terrorist-threat" lockdown story elsewhere in Ohio.

I want to see Kenneth Blackwell on the witness stand taking the oath, like, today.

[LisaL]

12. It was raining all day.

OH doesn't allow early voting. People had to wait in long lines.
In 2000, there were no lines.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that thousands never got a chance to vote. After all, most people have to work, they can not take a whole day off so they can wait for hours to vote.

[brentspeak]

14. So what's your point?

Was it due to bad weather that thousands more presumably didn't vote, or was it due to fraud? I thought we were talking alleged fraud.

[LisaL]

15. My point is, there were not enough machines for people to vote on.

Get it now?
It was made very hard for people to actually cast their vote here in OH, especially if they lived in democratic strongholds. People had to wait for hours before being able to cast their vote.
There was no such thing going on in 2000.
No lines, no nothing.

[brentspeak]

16. Well, thank you clarifying that (n/t)

[sweetladybug]

6. brentspeak, your eyes and ears must not be opened if you don't

think the election was rigged. May I ask who you voted for? Kerry had to do things the way he did them or he was have been smeared by the Republican owned media. I think he's working behind the scene and I think he is getting his ducks in a row in order to prove that Bush and the member of his crime family are a bunch of lying, cheating, thieving conman.

[brentspeak]

10. ??????????

Who did I vote for? Oh well, of course I voted Bush/Cheney......:eyes:

No, I don't think the election outcome was decided due to fraud. I see a lot of individual irregularities scattered all around the country, some small, others big (like the Ohio "terrorist-lockdown" story). But I see no evidence of anything big enough to swing the whole thing -- unless someone can prove to the rest of us that the Ohio irregularities really were incidents of fraud significant enough to steer the state to Bush.

[mirandapriestly]

3. I think Kerry did his job

Do we really need to have candidates who need to be prepared to fight fraudulent elections? Gore fought and look what happened to him. People on the other side called him a sore loser and people on this side blamed him for not winning by "more", not being passionate enough, etc...The weakness of the Dem Party is what really strikes me. They were weak behind Gore when he contested to. I think Kerry did his job, democracy is what failed.

[FloridaPat]

9. I'm still mad about 2000. Now I'm mad at two candidates!

[KittyWampus]

11. I Am Really Sick Of Your Posts Trashing Kerry

[LittleClarkie]

19. Getting alittle monotonous, innit.

"I'm upset with Kerry. Did you know that? Well I am. By the way, I'm still upset, just in case you'd forgotten from three seconds ago. Kerry's a coward. Did I mention I'm upset with Kerry? Don't forget now. Would you like me to post another thread on the subject? I can, you know, because I'm just. that. upset. I bet I'm more upset than anyone's ever been ever. Did I mention that Kerry's a coward? Are you sure?"

Blech.

[VivaKerry]

13. I am still feeling pretty confused about the whole thing.

He conceded, and like went into hiding. He was at the clinton library opening -- a camera panned and he was in the audience, but seemed to be slinking down in his seat. It was raining, though.

Kerry just vanished. Conceded and vanished. Poof....

Something seems really wrong with that. I would expect maybe a news conference, or an interview, or maybe a visit to his home for an interview .. Something. It was as if he just vanished.

[Crunchy Frog]

21. I never supported Kerry for the nomination.

I developed a sense very early on in the campaigning that he wasn't the sort of fighter needed to go up against Bush. I voted for Kucinich in our caucus to try and strengthen the progressive voice in our party.

I got behind Kerry because he was the nominee, for better or worse. There simply wasn't any other choice if there was a hope of getting rid of the Chimp.

I always felt that Wes Clark would have put up a much stronger fight. Everything that he said led me to feel that he had a much better understanding of the true stakes in this election. For him, it wasn't personal, it was about saving the country.

[s-cubed]

22. WHAT ARE ALL OF YOU DRINKING???

Kerry would have been dead meat if he had tried to challenge the election. Think back to Gore: it destroyed his credibility. You can't win until you have the cards to play.Every day he gets more cards, and as a former prosecutor, he will know when to play. These weeks of investigation have been critical, and the lack of media attention has really worked in our favor. When it does break, it will be huge, and * will have lost most of his power. The fight is not over:

"Kerry: I've just heard from one of the most noteworthy soldiers in his campaign "army" (not a general, but not just a grunt) that the senator does not consider this fight over."

The above quote is on Joseph Cannon site http://cannonfire.blogspot.com

Patience!

[robbedvoter]

25. Gore has credibility with me. In fact, he was polling high with all

But then kerry convinced the DNC that "it was his turn" so Gore was kicked out. And we got the soft turd instead. We, grass roots had never had a word in it.

[robbedvoter]

24. Voted yes, but my regrets came way earlier, I was not surprised.

The IWR process, the VP selection all showed me that kerry was a pushover. In fact I was CERTAIN PNAC will have their way with him if he won. I only voted for hin because of the judges.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Oh, so you're the Pat Buchannan of the left, eh?

That's the only reason Pat voted for Bush -- for the judges.

[Piperay]

27. The less I hear or see of Kerry

the better I like it. :-(